image A debate has opened up in the Nouveau Parti Anticapitaliste (NPA) in France about both its disappointing election results and its decision to stand a Muslim candidate, Ilham Moussaïd, who chooses to wear a head scarf.

When you offer an opinion on what’s happened in another country it’s good sense to make sure that you have a firm grip on the facts. Writing in the NPA’s discussion bulletin François Coustal offers the following judgement.

This is my translation of a section from pages 8 and 9:

“…the NPA is not the first radical organisation in Europe to stand a candidate in elections who wears a hijab (voile) and / or believed that to put down roots in working class areas it had to address itself to members of a religious community. There were precedents in Britain and Denmark . The same causes gave the same disastrous results.”

Anyone who can assert that Salma Yaqoob’s high profile for Respect has been “disastrous” is simply wrong. Salma has a much greater public presence in the national press than Respect’s size warrants. Inside and outside the organisation she is considered an impressive and credible figurehead for the party, regularly expressing views that put her squarely on the left side of the debate in British politics.

Coustal gets some major facts right and several crucial ones wrong.

He is correct to say that the Socialist Workers Party (SWP) helped convert the anti-war demonstrations into the Stop The War Coalition and very effectively contributed to building the anti-war movement.

He’s also right when he says that Respect was born out of the desire to give a political expression to the social and political struggle against Blair, the personification of New Labour’s sharp move to the right and that it included the SWP and George Galloway who had broken with Labour because of the war. He moves onto less firm ground when referring to Salma Yaqoob. He argues that she was presented as proof that an alliance was possible between the revolutionary left and the “Muslim community” (his phrase and his quotation marks) even though it had not “abandoned its prejudices” (« renonce à ses préjugés »).

Describing the 2007 split his narrative becomes seriously tendentious. He gives the reader the strong impression that the split took place because the SWP had started to find Salma Yaqoob and George Galloway uncontrollable. It’s true that a structural weakness in Respect was and is its lack of collective control over prominent figures. The Labour Party has a similar problem. However the reason for the split had more to do with George Galloway’s perception that the organisation was not being built at a time when an election was thought to be imminent. The MP’s views on abortion or Salma’s religious beliefs were just not part of the debate. When Coustal argues that attitudes to women’s oppression or homophobia were involved he is simply wrong. The debate was around political priorities and organisational conceptions.

The other major error of fact, or perhaps interpretation, is his assertion that the decision to stand candidates who cover their heads was the result of serious debates and democratic decisions. It simply was not an issue which caused any concern. Neither was there any discussion or anxiety about standing candidates who were practising Catholics or members of the Church of England . It was taken for granted that a religious believer who would defend party policy in public was entitled to be a candidate. Purists could even find quotes from Lenin to comfort them.

The concept of laïcité which is provides the backdrop to this debate was once correct and revolutionary. It’s in danger of changing into its opposite as French society changes and militant secularism is used by the right as a transparent cover for Islamophobia. Getting the facts right about the British experience is essential for an informed discussion.

30 responses to “Tu te trompes, François”

  1. good post, Salma has been a big vote winner I would have thought.

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  2. R. C. - NPA member Avatar
    R. C. – NPA member

    Thank you for your post Liam. It is of course a “internal” debate for NPA members, but i think it would be useful for us to have a contribution on these matters from Socialist Resistance.

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  3. One French NPA comrade, on arriving at St Pancras station recently was struck by the first policewoman he saw – wearing the hijab. ‘This would just not be possible in France’ was his response. Liam is absolutely right, Salma Yaqoob’s headwear is simply not an issue here. As a socialist feminist I can argue that Islamic dress codes for women are oppressive but the overriding issue is the right to choose what you wear.

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  4. Liam is a little too cautious – secularism on the left in France has been a disaster for a number of years. The Left, including the revolutionary Left solidly refused in 2004, to campaign against expelling headscarf wearing young women from high schools, except for those sections which supported the expulsions. The campaign against the law was absolutely tiny ( I went to a regional demo which had thirty five people at it, and no far left presence except three or four individuals).

    For the present debate in the NPA, which is about to explode in a big way, I was interviewed about this in English by an Australian socialist mag, and you can find the interview at
    http://www.jcmullen.fr/2009ilham.html

    I am active in the NPA in the South West of France.

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  5. PS: it is spelt ” Nouveau Parti Anticapitaliste”.

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  6. What matter our face covered we are far cry from hope.Small seeds grow.

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  7. to put down roots in working class areas it had to address itself to members of a religious community.

    Anyone who can assert that Salma Yaqoob’s high profile for Respect has been “disastrous” is simply wrong.
    This doesn’t appear to be the argument being made.
    Salma has a much greater public presence in the national press than Respect’s size warrants.
    That’s questionable.
    Inside and outside the organisation she is considered an impressive and credible figurehead for the party,
    Certainly inside, and among those with similar politics like Derek Wall. But outside that? A marginal representative of a community based organisation, which seems to be what François Coustal considers a distrous model for the NPA to follow.
    regularly expressing views that put her squarely on the left side of the debate in British politics.
    Some of them are, and some of them are not.

    I’d tend to agree with your assessment about the debate on the NPA, but to defend that assessment with some rather tendentious assertions about Respect is probably not going to do much to advance it.

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  8. Skidmarx,

    Which of Salma Yaqoob’s views fail to ‘put her squarely on the left side of the debate in British politics’?

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  9. On raising council tax rather than fighting cuts in Birmingham for one.
    On drugs she seems to take a law-and-order position rather than a liberal one, though I’ll concede that there are some otherwise left figures who do the same.
    A good question little car, as it makes me realise that I am ignorant of some of where she stands. I would assume that she’s not that progressive on abortion, but I don’t know for sure. But if I have gaps in my knowledge of where she stands, you can be fairly sure the gaps are greater for most voters.

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  10. Will come back after researching her position on council tax and drugs but why the assumption that she’s ‘not that progressive on abortion’?

    Given that she calls herself a socialist I would’ve thought that the assumption would’ve been the other way round. I.e. We would assume she is progressive on abortion…

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  11. “On raising council tax rather than fighting cuts in Birmingham for one” is a very lazy and inaccurate way of formulating Salma’s position. Whether or not you agree with council tax rises (for the better off) it is certainly not instead of ‘fighting cuts’.

    Tell me, Skidmarx, when the SWP raise slogans like “No cuts, make the bosses pay” or something similar do they also hold a position of wanting to raise taxes rather than fighting cuts?

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  12. John I just read your interesting interview with Socialist alternative OZ and would be interested if you could say a bit more a bout what you say “For the present debate in the NPA, which is about to explode in a big way”.

    What is this big expolsion that is going to happen within the Nouveau Parti Anticapitaliste”.

    shug, on March 30, 2010 at 10:43 am Said:
    What matter our face covered we are far cry from hope.Small seeds grow.

    skidmarx, on March 30, 2010 at 1:22 pm Said:
    to put down roots in working class areas it had to address itself to members of a religious community.

    Anyone who can assert that Salma Yaqoob’s high profile for Respect has been “disastrous” is simply wrong.
    This doesn’t appear to be the argument being made.
    Salma has a much greater public presence in the national press than Respect’s size warrants.
    That’s questionable.
    Inside and outside the organisation she is considered an impressive and credible figurehead for the party,
    Certainly inside, and among those with similar politics like Derek Wall. But outside that? A marginal representative of a community based organisation, which seems to be what François Coustal considers a distrous model for the NPA to follow.
    regularly expressing views that put her squarely on the left side of the debate in British politics.
    Some of them are, and some of them are not.

    I’d tend to agree with your assessment about the debate on the NPA, but to defend that assessment with some rather tendentious assertions about Respect is probably not going to do much to advance it.

    little car, on March 30, 2010 at 3:04 pm Said:
    Skidmarx,

    Which of Salma Yaqoob’s views fail to ‘put her squarely on the left side of the debate in British politics’?

    skidmarx, on March 30, 2010 at 4:21 pm Said:
    On raising council tax rather than fighting cuts in Birmingham for one.
    On drugs she seems to take a law-and-order position rather than a liberal one, though I’ll concede that there are some otherwise left figures who do the same.
    A good question little car, as it makes me realise that I am ignorant of some of where she stands. I would assume that she’s not that progressive on abortion, but I don’t know for sure. But if I have gaps in my knowledge of where she stands, you can be fairly sure the gaps are greater for most voters.

    little car, on March 30, 2010 at 4:51 pm Said:
    Will come back after researching her position on council tax and drugs but why the assumption that she’s ‘not that progressive on abortion’?

    Given that she calls herself a socialist I would’ve thought that the assumption would’ve been the other way round. I.e. We would assume she is progressive on abortion…

    RobM, on March 30, 2010 at 6:38 pm Said:
    “On raising council tax rather than fighting cuts in Birmingham for one” is a very lazy and inaccurate way of formulating Salma’s position. Whether or not you agree with council tax rises (for the better off) it is certainly not instead of ‘fighting cuts’.

    Tell me, Skidmarx, when the SWP raise slogans like “No cuts, make the bosses pay” or something similar do they also hold a position of wanting to raise taxes rather than fighting cuts?

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    John I just read your interesting interview with Socialist alternative OZ and would be interested if you could say a bit more about what you say :

    ” For the present debate in the NPA, which is about to explode in a big way “.

    What is this big expolsion that you think is going to happen within the Nouveau Parti Anticapitaliste ?

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  13. RobM – no I’m not going to tell you, as this discussion is about Respect/NPA and not about the SWP.

    little car – you can see Salma talk about drugs here,
    and a discussion of her position on budget cuts here.
    Going back to the post, Liam once again locates the split in Respect in differences of perception, whereas it seems me that there was a wider issue that the SWP acknowledged that it was an alliance between socialists and a radical section of the Muslim community, the split happened because Galloway and Yaqoob were no longer prepared to accept that the SWP’s numerical advantage in Respect should allow it to control the organisation when they could garner more support in the community, especially electoral support, than they could. But in order to take as much of Respect with them as they could, it has often been necessary to present themselves as being as radical as revolutionary as the SWP, while their cross-class base pulls them in the other direction.
    Salma Yaqoob, as a Muslim community activist first and a socialist second embodies this contradiction. She is very left on anti-imperialism, as the section of the community that supports her is, on social issues not so much. She will cheerlead workers struggles, but Respect does not organise around them in the way a socialist organisation would, She may be left compared to New Labour, but Respect is still more of a community organisation than a socialist one.

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  14. demo against ban on the headscarf

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  15. Skidmarx,

    I didn’t hear anything particularly objectionable in Salma’s piece on drugs (although I was listening to it in the background whilst doing other things, so maybe you can point me in the right direction).

    In fact, what I heard sounded rather good – arguing against reactionary elements in society who would automatically criminalise those who have a drug habit and arguing for an attempt to understand *why* they’ve developed a drug habit in the first place.

    Your statement that her position was “raising council tax rather than fighting cuts” is somewhat disingenuous!

    What she’s arguing makes sense:
    “…a small rise for the richer households…”
    “…an 86p increase per week for council tax payers in Band D.” (This quote is from Ger Francis on the thread that you pointed me to – I believe he works closely with Salma?)

    That was a practical proposal to counter the cuts and job losses – not as you put it “rather than fighting cuts”. And what’s more, if Salma did her research (and I’m sure we all assume that she did!) it’s one that could have actually worked and averted the cull of the workforce.

    Going back to this thing on abortion, I’ve looked (albeit not too hard) for something from Salma explaining her stance on abortion but can’t find anything. As I said, I would’ve thought that her stance on abortion would be progressive…

    I’d still like to know more on her stance on social issues. Any links would be much appreciated.

    lilcar

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  16. OK Skidmarx, thanks for that constructive reply. So, let me re-phrase- if the NPA raise slogans like “No cuts, make the bosses pay” or something similar do they also hold a position of wanting to raise taxes rather than fighting cuts?
    Or are you not going to tell me because you have tied yourself in another knot…

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  17. little car – I can’t find her saying anything on abortion either. Ger Francis is her assistant, perhaps he would tell us all if she has anything to say on the subject.
    It’s a while since I checked out that interview on drugs, if I recall correctly towards the end she talks about the British army potentially playing a progressive role in destroying the opium crop in Afghanistan, and at no point suggests decriminalisation or legalisation. That didn’t sound so good to me.
    On council cuts, the point made at the beginning of that thread by alf was that it was a return to the dented shield policy of the Labour Left in the 80s. They considered themselves squarely on the left too, but still thought that staying in power was more important than uncompromising resistance.
    Which moves us on to the point that until they have some power it is possible for Respect’s leaders, much like the Greens, to present a left face, and so it is hard sometimes to pick apart their positions if you take all they say at face value. Marx somewhere points out that we don’t accept that a man is handsome just because he says so, and it does seem that rather than being an attempt to extend class politics into the Muslim community as the SWP hoped at its inception, Respect has become a way of using the electoral strength of a section of the Muslim community to allow its leaders to establish a hegemony over the left, which I think is the disastrous result François Coustal refers to.

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  18. RobM – have they raised that slogan? Or is it just a hypothetical you raise so that you can divert the thread?

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  19. I’m not diverting the thread at all. You raise spurious allegations about Respect or Salma’s politics. I am merely calling you on your double standards. You know full well that just about every socialist party or group in existence raises this sort of demand, in one form or another. Your test of whether it meets your exacting standards seems to be not what is said but who says it. Hence your earlier evasion- your position is indefensible.

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  20. Skidmarx,

    She spoke about the destabilising role the British Army had played in Afghanistan. She also said “Britain has a role in stemming that” (talking about the flow of heroin from Afghanistan to Britain) but we can’t just pick that out and claim that she’s arguing for British forces to play a “progressive” role without further clarification from her… In fact, to her credit, she made very clear the link between Britain’s imperialist foreign policy and the international drugs trade etc which I think not a lot of politicians would manage to do.

    No, she didn’t mention decriminalisation or legalisation nor did she appear to advocate a law-and-order approach, instead she focussed on a community-oriented grass-roots rehabilitation process including faith- and culturally-sensitive projects which may make it easier to work within these communities. But even if she had advocated one approach over the other (law-and-order or decriminalisation and legalisation) as you said, that doesn’t necessarily make her position left or right.

    I really think you should listen to it again!

    Going to council tax – I agree with RobM on this issue. When you look at the reality of the situation, strikes and industrial action alone won’t and can’t save those jobs – Salma made a very concrete, practical (and most importantly actually possible to implement) proposal which would save those jobs whilst trying to keep the effects on the poorer residents to a minimum, ergo, only 86p increase on Band D households. Given that most of the workers in B’ham Council probably live in B’ham and pay their council tax to their employers, they probably welcomed the proposals themselves.

    I don’t think it’s fair for you to assume Salma has a position on abortion that is not progressive as there’s nothing to base that on. We can’t reach a conclusion, certainly not a sound one, based on what someone *hasn’t* said or a lack of public references to it! What exactly are your assumptions based on?

    Your last point (left face, respect, muslim community, hegemony etc) sounds rather conspiratorial! LOL!

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  21. RobM – I refer you to the answer I gave a few comments above.

    little car – On your first point, I think the statement you refer to suggests that she actual wishes Britain to play a reactionary role. On the one at the end of the second paragraph, I do think that ignoring the way anti-drug laws are oppressive and reactionary does place you on the right of the debate, as well as being insane in ignoring that they create crime.

    On council tax, we’ll have to agree to disagree. On abortion, this could be cleared up if Ger Francis, who’s ever willing to come on this blog to defend his boss in other circumstances, told us what she had to say on the matter. The fact that he doesn’t, the fact that we haven’t heard from her when there has been debate over Galloway’s position on abortion (or avoidance of votes in the Commons on the issue) are where I get my assumptions from.

    On your last point ,yes I am a troll from Harry’s place claiming that Respect is just a front for al-Qaida well if it comes out that way, so be it. I do think there was an undemocratic coup to establish Galloway and Yaqoob’s leadership in Respect, I do think it is clear that the shrinkage into a few Muslim communities of Respect is a fact and is a sign of the shift in the basis of its politics, I do think that the way Galloway and his supporters have set up a credibility test to suggest that their candidates should be supported by the left far more than any support should be reciprocated is one way in which it seeks to determine the course of working class politics in the UK from the outside, and the NPA should certainly be wary of following its example.

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  22. Liam,

    I completely agree with your piece.
    The statement of the Belgian LCR-SAP (in French) on the lawproposal forbidding the niqab and burqa in public can be found at:
    http://www.lcr-lagauche.be/cm/index.php?view=article&id=1612:une-loi-raciste-sexiste-et-liberticide-communique-de-la-lcr-sur-linterdiction-du-niqab-et-de-la-burqa-dans-lespace-public&option=com_content&Itemid=53

    When this law gets passed, Belgium will becomme the first country in Europe legally forbidding this…
    The possibility is very great, siunce al parties in Parlement, from the fascists of Vlaams Belang to both Green Parties (Groen en Ecolo), who untill recently opposed such a law, voted in favor of it…

    Our leaflet on the banning of the headscarf in the schools can be found at:
    http://www.lcr-lagauche.be/cm/index.php?view=article&id=1600:islamophobie-sexisme-et-racisme-ca-suffit&option=com_content&Itemid=53

    Pictures and a short video of a demonstration on the issue, the organising comitee op which we play an active role in can be found here:
    http://www.lcr-lagauche.be/cm/index.php?view=article&id=1602:manifestation-contre-linterdiction-du-foulard-a-lecole-toujours-la-meme-determination&option=com_content&Itemid=53

    For those on the left (or right) who might want to accuse us of not being clear on feminist issues, on our website you will also find several new articles in defence of the right to abortion, sexual violence, etc.

    Greetings,
    Thomas (SAP-LCR Belgium)

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  23. In the recent regional elections, number 4 on the NPA slate in the Vaucluse was Ilham, a young activist who wears a headscarf. That is to say that in a national bunch of around 500 candidates, she was somewhere between number 300 and number 400. But the press had a field day, with the Socialist Party and Communist Party saying things like “The NPA needs to re-read Karl Marx. Religion is the opium of the people. ho-hum.”

    This was a local decision, the national party was not involved. Now the elections are over, the debate is more explosive. The minority in the Vaucluse who were against Ilham’s candidacy have organized themselves into a separate committee and appeared on regional television denouncing “the instrumentalization of islam”.The national leadership is divided and so is sticking too “we have a meeting next Tuesday i think and we’ll be sure to mention it.”

    The general opinion in the NPA is hard to judge. Certainly thos ewho think the candidacy was a good thing are most probably in the minority, but a substantial minority far far bigger than the tiny handful in the LCR in 2004 who were prepared to fight against the law expelling girls with headscarves from schools.

    The national leadership will have to take a position on Vaucluse soon, etc. There are other elements which will become public later no doubt, and although I have never been a highly disciplined sort, i don’t want to put every element of an internal situation into the public arena indiscriminately.

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  24. John,
    Read in L’huma on Saturday that 10% of the NPA’s CPN have resigned, this isn’t just about the Vaucluse is it? Saw that 3 had left and joined the GU, is the debate about strategy and relationships with the wider left?

    The PCF National Council lost 14 members in the same week, mainly political sulking about positions on the regional lists, but there is a clear crisis going on in my Party’s leadership about what direction for the future.

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  25. Jphn, just read your contribution in the paper Liam mentioned- well argued,couldn’t agree more.
    Pete

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  26. Indeed there have been a number of resignations (quite hard to count really, perhaps not ten per cent). Probably most of them will not join another organization soon.

    The election results were pretty bad, but mostly the NPA is divided about strategy and in particular electoral strategy. ON one side the “unitaires” saying we should have an electoral front with Left reformists outside the Socialist Party (communists, left party etc) on the other side those who think we should always stand alone at election time. Many sections are quite paralysed because of the depth of this division within the section.

    For the regional elections the nationa leadership left each region to do what they felt best , so every possible combination was tried. The difficulty is that it is difficult to draw up a national balance sheet after that very diverse experience.

    Over the last year the unitaires have become stronger. At the founding conference, 17% voted unitaire; then a whole series of unitaires left the party, and despite that in the party consultation of December 2009, 30% voted unitaire.

    However, the practical difference between being in a minority of 17% or of 30% is not always as big as it sounds.

    Also a lot of the unitaires are not as attached to party building as the purists, and are more likely to leave than the purists are.

    Strangely enough, the division over islamophobia and headscarves absolutely does not map onto the division between unitaires and purists. The comrades who want to fight islamophobia are more common among the unitaires, but there are plenty of unitaires who do not want to at all. The islamophobia issue is extremely emotional in the party; some comrades think that real muslims eat children …

    (If we have any humourless readers, yes, I am exaggerating)

    In the short term the paralysis of a lot of sections seems to me the main problem. It is very hard to recruit people if the divisions inside the party are too visible and loud.

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  27. Very interesting stuff john. Do the unitaires or purists organise as platforms or tendencies, around groupings or publications or is it more amorphous than that?

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  28. Organized tendencies (normally with electronic bulletins) are allowed in the NPA, and there are three or four of them – the unitaires have one (but it doesn’t include all the unitaires), the purists have a couple.

    Sometimes these tendencies produce, in my view, too many documents, and have too many weekend long tendency meetings dicussing strategy. That is, I am pleased at the genuinely democratic atmosphere of debate but often feel that the balance between public activity and internal discussion and positioning needs to be firmly elbowed in the direction of the former. The situation in different towns however is widely varying. My feeling is that in fairly homogeneous towns (all purists or all unitaires) a lot more leaflets on streets and bums on meeting seats are achieved per member.

    There is also the fact that the NPA appears very frequently indeed in the media, and so the pronouncements of its spokespeople, especially Besancenot, get a lot of coverage and have quite a lot of effect.

    What’s good this week is that in a whole lot of places a united “defend our pensions” campaign is being set up, with a wide spectrum of left organizations (because pensions is where Sarkozy’s axe is headed next).

    The existence of dynamism of the NPA contributions to this campaign is however very much decided locally, and predictably in some towns the NPA will want to work with the Socialist Party on this issue, and in other towns NPA leaflets wil say that the Left and the Right are the same on the issue of pensions.

    Etcetera!

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  29. […] te trompes, Liam Posted on May 30, 2010 by Liam A while ago I wrote a piece on the discussion in the French NPA taking issue with François Coustal’s views on secularism […]

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