7 responses to “Scottish Socialist Party – Summary of Results”

1. 

   eamonn wright

   May 8, 2010 at 1:30 am

   SSP still bumping along on the trail of the wooden spoon. Save a few grand and build a republican socialist movement that leaves the electoralism to the SNP.

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   sandy

   May 8, 2010 at 12:11 pm

   2003 128,000 votes for the SSP
   2010 3,000 votes for the SSP

   oblivion beckons

   sandy

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   Eddie Truman

   May 8, 2010 at 7:15 pm

   I’m all for a discussion on the electoral results of the Scottish Socialist Party but when Sandy takes the vote from a poll involving the whole Scotland under PR in the aftermath of the start of the Iraq war and compares it to the result of standing in just 10 Westminster constituencies then you know he’s perusing his lonely campaign against the SSP.
   We said before the campaign started we thought 1% was about what we would get on average and that was about right.
   Sandy, the easiest thing in the world is one individual sitting at the their computer keyboard spreading vitriol about socialist organisations, there are legions of right wing bloggers who do it day in, day out.
   Much more difficult to campaign on the streets, produce written material, broadcasts etc, promoting the ideas of socialism.

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   sandy

   May 8, 2010 at 10:53 pm

   In what way is advocating the nationalist fracturing of the labour movement in Britain “promoting the ideas of socialism” ? If you are out to break up the political unity of the working class of Britain in order to promote an independent capitalist Scotland you are not promoting the ideas of Socialism. If you are “campaigning on the streets” for workers in scotland to break with their comrades in England and wales and instead unite with a section of the Scottish establishment (for an independent capitalist scotland) you are not a socialist but a left taking nationalist.

   The working class in britain is facing a major attack on its living standards. You are opposed to the working class in britain coming together to resist that attack. You oppose workers in britain organizing to create a socialist alternative to new labour . Instead you promote the scottish independence project led by the SNP. What is socialist about that?

   sandy

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   k mcg

   May 9, 2010 at 1:52 am

   sandy you are always playing the same tired record, you never engage with the working class whether english, scots or any other nationality. Your idea that you build socialism by criticising everyone else is a farce and to use your own words ‘what is socialist about that’. How about your perspectives on the current world economic situation or the balance of forces in greece rather than the national question over and over ad naseum
   you might actually enjoy it

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   Duncan Chapel

   May 9, 2010 at 2:52 am

   Sandy, have you looked at the election map? There is no political unity of the British working class. The political landscape is very different in Wales, England, Scotland and the north or Ireland. Your argument could have been used just as easily against those fighting for Irish freedom or independence from Serbian rule.

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   sandy

   May 9, 2010 at 11:30 am

   Of course Northern Ireland is very different precisely because the ruling class did intervene to fracture abstract labour. By systematic discrimination against catholics it stalled the potential for working class unity. It paid an economic price to prevent the working class becoming a threat to its rule. In britain this fracturing does not exist. The struggle by workers against their existance in the form of abstract labour is what constitutes the working class. The british working class has been created over two hundred years of joint common struggle by workers in England Scotland and Wales. The british working class exists as a real social entity and increasing its solidarity consciousness and cohesion is what socialism is all about. Eddie has denied this existence in previous discussions- claiming that the working class in britain is a myth. What is your view Duncan?

   The existence of the labour party and the british labour movement and their long history is obvious proof of the existence of the working class in britain in a political form. As is a common rate of exploitation , rate of work and health and safety law and employment law etc. Look at a political map of britain. Labour party strength is where the working class lives- the big cities through out Britain. Unfortunately the political form of the existence of the working class in britain takes a counter revolutionary form in part because of the strength of the labour bureaucracy

   The working class in britain is facing an attack on its living standards by the british ruling class. It needs to coordinate a united fightback. This means the creation of a british wide socialist party which can promote the fight for a workers government. Any moves to promote nationalist division in this fightback by for instance calling for an independent capitalist Scotland plays into the hands of the bosses who will try to play worker against worker

   You dont move towards the unification of the working class in Europe by dividing the actually existing working class ( in France Italy Germany Britain etc)on nationalist lines

   sandy

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