This is a slightly edited version of a speech that Caroline Lucas of the Green Party gave to the TUC’s Alliances for Green Growth Conference on 11 October 2010. It offers a sustained critique of capitalist productivism as a solution to the economic crisis. A more detailed one can be found here along with the making of a transitional programme.

image As one who has been a supporter of workers’ rights and of the union movement throughout my career, it is incredibly satisfying that the union movement should be taking such a positive role in another issue close to my heart, that of transforming our economy into one that is both just and sustainable.

It is also right that we should be looking to forge alliances, and join our forces where we can. For these are not easy times. As a Member of Parliament, right now, for example, I am campaigning alongside trades unionists over the threat to jobs posed by the coalition’s savage and frankly often counter-productive cuts.

And because this is a coalition that not only wants to sack hundreds of thousands of people working in our public service, but also to cheat them out of their redundancy money while they do it, I am particularly proud that my party is standing four-square with the public sector unions and with the wider movement to ensure that civil and public service workers receive a fair deal.

Our current economic system only works by cheating future generations out of their birthright and by exploiting the vulnerable here and abroad

The crisis has shown the essential inability of laissez-faire economics, globalisation and financial chicanery to meet our economic needs, let alone our social or environmental ones.

So when we talk of a green recovery, we are not talking about a traditional economic recovery boosted by selling some home insulation or building some windmills.

It is not about business as usual with green trimmings.

We are talking about a recovery based on green principles and insights: one that is rooted in social justice and which balances our needs against those of the developing world, the natural world, and those of future generations.

Building Alliances

The task, actually, is less about finding technological or economic solutions. Those solutions already largely exist. The real task is to create the political will to make them happen.

People are fed up with being told this is their responsibility. They expect governments to take action on their behalf. To display leadership. The role of governments is to govern, and to match their rhetoric with meaningful action.

For decades, we have known that our patterns of production and consumption are not sustainable. We have seen how they have failed to bring about a more equal and just society here, or to meet the needs of people in desperate circumstances around the world.

We have known that we are living on borrowed time, mortgaging the future of the planet and the birthrights of future generations. We do have the solutions. We need to forge an alliance around them.

But we also need a shared vision, which in turn needs a shared understanding of what a Green Recovery actually means.

Economic Democracy

First, it means transforming the economy so it is our servant, not our master. And when I say ‘our’, I mean everyone, not the bankers or industrialists or financiers, but everyone.

The financial crisis showed how the economy has been run for the benefit of the few. It aims to create wealth, but ensures that most of that wealth goes to those who need it the least.

And that wealth comes from exploiting people and resources here and abroad. Exploitation that brings suffering and inequality now, and threatens the total degradation of our planet in the future. We need an economy that serves us all. It’s not about GDP growth or exchange rates. It’s about having a job with some security. That pays enough to meet the essentials and leaves some left over. Where hard work is rewarded, but greed is not. That includes a welfare state that provides services every bit as good as anything the private sector can, and does so because it values those who work for the public good.

Can this be achieved? It depends on taking back control over economic decisions from financial institutions and international and unaccountable bodies such as the IMF and the World Trade Organisation.

And also reforming our own democratic institutions so that the people’s will can be translated into action.

Steady State Economy

Second, we have to accept that a Green recovery cannot mean a return to growth as we have known it. We already use up far more resources each year than the earth can sustain. The bottom line is that you can’t have infinite growth on a finite planet, no matter how much greater your efficiency, because if we keeping growing growth outweighs efficiency gains. And the more we use, the less we have. If you take too many fish from the sea, soon there will be no more fish to catch. Similarly, once the oil has gone, or the forests have been torn down, the open spaces have been lost or the species driven to extinction, we are all worse off.

In business terms, we are treating our capital as income. We use up our resources and say we are better off. In the real world, if a business does this, it will go bust. In the parallel world of economics, we are supposed to carry on like this forever.

To be fair to the economists, many recognise the fact that this is not only unsustainable, but poor economic theory. The Nobel prize-winner Amartya Sen, for example, has worked on ways to replace the prime goal of GDP growth with a suite of measures that reflect the needs of ordinary citizens. The New Economics Foundation is also mapping out how a ‘steady state’ economy could provide all of the things we need every bit as well as our current economic model – but crucially, can do this without needing to exploit workers here or in other countries, or use up irreplaceable natural resources at an unsustainable rate.

Consumption

The third aspect of the Green Recovery that we need to consider is our attitude to consumption. It is what links how governments manage the economy, and how we live our lives.

Around the world, there are many millions of people who do not have the essentials of life. They do not have decent food, a proper home, or access to basic services such as health and education. They need more. No question about it.

Then there are the rest of us. We have those things, and more. We might want extra – a bigger house, another foreign holiday, a new TV – but we could hardly claim that our need is greater than those who don’t have these things at all. For those who have a reasonable standard of living, consuming more
can bring some satisfaction – but most of us would agree that we’d rather live in a society that treated everyone fairly, where children didn’t go to bed hungry or switch off the heating because they can’t afford to recharge the meter.

Most of us want to know that we’ll be looked after properly if we’re ill. That our children will get a decent education. That we’ll be OK when we retire. That we’ll be safe out on the streets and that our homes won’t get broken into. In other words, what matters most is the kind of society we live in, not about how much extra we can consume.

We know this. But our economy is based on encouraging us all – or at least, those of us with the money – to consume more and more. Though it’s natural to think it makes us happier, the evidence is that it does not, particularly when you think of the extra hours we need to work to earn the money to pay for these things.

So we need to think about the kind of economic activity we want to encourage. Do we want more cheap plastic toys and clothes from abroad – with all the concerns about the conditions they may have been manufactured under – or do we want to spend money on making sure people have decent places to live?

The economists would tell us that they are equally valid forms of consumption. I would say that it is nonsense. If we return to cheap credit to stimulate a high street boom, that is not a recovery that is sustainable in any sense of the word. A Green recovery is about making sure economic activity gives everyone a chance to contribute, and also that more and more people benefit from their labour – and major investment in energy efficiency and renewables is one of the best ways to do it.

Wrap-up

It’s two years now since I was present at the launch of the Green New Deal. Had its proposals for a major investment in energy efficiency and renewable technologies been taken up by the government of the day, then we would have been better placed to deal with the financial crisis and recession when it came. That was a missed opportunity, but we still have time to put it right.

The coalition has stated it wants to be the greenest government ever. This will be one of the tests against which they should and will be judged. That means recognising that while the economic crisis is serious, the environmental crisis risks being literally unbearable.

In turn, that means not slashing the budgets for environmental and climate change. How can it possibly make senses, for example, to scrap the £60m to set up the offshore wind infrastructure competition, which would provide 60,000 new green jobs as well as boosting domestic production of green technology?

How can it make sense not to give sufficient capitalisation to the Green Investment Bank? Lack of government guarantee is sending entirely the wrong message to investors, who will choose to work with other countries offering a more attractive deal. In April, the previous government introduced feed-in tariffs, financially rewarding homeowners, businesses and local authorities who generate electricity from clean, green sources. A heating equivalent – the renewable heat incentive, RHI – is due to begin next April.

Now the RHI may be delayed or watered down, and the feed-in tariff cut. This is absurd. In Germany a similar policy created hundreds of thousands of jobs and the rapid growth of a now core economic sector.

It would be incredibly short-sighted for the Treasury to backpedal on these commitments. Damaging investor confidence would ultimately make it more expensive to meet our renewable energy targets. And as fossil fuels dwindle and prices rocket, business leaders agree we should be doing everything we can to produce more renewable energy.

And we need legislation to compel private landlords to bring the worst housing up to a minimum standard.

The Treasury announcements on 20 October will be the 1st litmus test of how green this government is. Unless these doubts are cleared up, investors will walk away and our 2020 climate change targets will be even more difficult and expensive to achieve. This would be a tragedy for the UK, undermining our chance to seriously compete in the renewable market and hindering communities from producing their own energy – costing vital jobs in the process. For a self-styled green government advocating localism and the power of private enterprise, that would be an own goal of epic proportions. So the more that we can unite around the idea of a Green recovery and the money needed to achieve it, the less excuse there will be if they fail to take this chance. And the more likely it will be that we can recognise the real win-win of investing in green measures and technologies – that we get our emissions down and increase radically the number of jobs in our economy.

34 responses to “Caroline Lucas: Our patterns of production and consumption are not sustainable”

  1. Sure,

    I hope you are leading from the front with example and faith.

    Like Al Gore for example.

    Cheers

    Roger

    http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

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  2. Not all that Left in absolute terms – I was struck by the idea of an economic recovery “without exploiting workers” – but basically sound & well-thought-out, and far to the Left of Labour.

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  3. Roger, the preferred solution for governments is to put the onus on stopping climate change down to individual lifestyle choices. So you end up with lists of tips about how you can reduce your own carbon emission. But yesterday the British government axed a major scheme to create electricty using wave power.

    Of course it’s good if people don’t get loads of plastic bags every time they go shopping and switch off the lights when they go to bed but a much bigger strategic vision is required at the level of states and at the level of rejecting the logic of the market.

    Phil, it does not take too much to be to the left of Labour but this is the first attempt by a mainstream parliamentarian to offer a critique of productivism. For that reason it is very welcome.

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  4. There will be no meaningful investment in green measures and technology or in sustainability in general as long as the monopoly capitalists in alliance with their banker bretheren retain their vice like grip on the means of production, circulation and credit.

    WWF Cymru’s Living Planet Report out this week shows that humanity’s consumption of natural resources has risen to 50% more than the earth can sustain resulting in a 30% decline in bio-diversity across the world since 1970. The sixth mass extinction is well under way.

    At the same time, the Humdoldt Forum for Food and Agriculture, a leading Berlin-based think tank in global agriculture, pointed out that in the past 10 years alone the EU has become a `huge virtual land-user outside of its own territory’ causing deforestation and climate change. `The EU,’ says the Forum, `uses an area the size of Germany outside of Europe to meet its demand for food, natural fibres, bio-energy and other products’ whilst the number of starving people worldwide has reached a `staggering 925 million’. The EU `is effectively eating other people’s food’, concludes the Forum which the Living Planet Report describes as `living in a false paradise’ but which we might call a vicious imperialist but politically, economically, socially and environmentally unsustainable Western delusion.

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  5. Don’t be so dismissive of “lifestyle changes” – it’s the only thing that individuals and communities can actively do to reduce carbon emissions while pursuing the good fight for government and corporate action. If we put off the lifestyle changes until the government are forced to act, it will be too late – and in any case, fighting climate change while doing little to reduce your own carbon emissions seems pretty hypocritical.

    The point is to focus on the big hitters: air travel, house heating, distance/mode of work-home commutes, consumption of ‘stuff’ and the pitter-patter of tiny western-style carbon footprints that will likely grow up to be clod-hoppers.

    Serious goal setting for ‘personal’ CO2, (i.e. excluding the 1.7 tons emitted p.a. on our behalf by the state) necessarily leads in the direction of rejecting the logic of the market, since it can only be achieved with the rejection of consumerism.

    Incidentally, the wave energy scheme on the Severn Estuary was opposed by Friends of the Earth – which really makes me fucking despair.

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  6. I am joining the Green Party!

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  7. Jodley: I agree that it is important that those who talk the talk should, as far as they can and with all due deference to the fact that only a socialist economy can begin to address the question of sustainability, walk the walk.

    Regarding the Seven Estuary barage, Friends of the Earth were right to oppose it. The Seven Estruary is a sight of special scientific interest and home to one of the UK’s most important ecological systems in terms of bio-diversity. To sacrifice that for the sake of making a few more widgets would be criminal and no doubt will still go ahead under private though government subsidised funding despite objections.

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  8. “Only a socialist economy can begin to address the question of sustainability”

    Then we are totally fucked – let those of us who can just party!

    The point about the Severn Barrage is that it represents renewable energy on an industrial scale. That is what is required to power, without fossil fuels, a society that has intensive care units and the like. The shortfall between what we consume and renewable energy cannot be made up by dispensing with a few more widgets. (This is just a version of the plastic bag thing that Liam was deriding). You may disagree with that particular project, but please present an alternative plan that adds up. They are mostly unpalatable, and all can produce environmental objections.

    No to Coal! No to Oil! No to Gas! No to Nuclear (dangerous, part of the military-industrial complex)! No to Wind farms (kill birds, spoil views, inteferes with shipping lanes)! No to Biomass (takes land from food farming, nasty monoculture)! No to waste incineration (dioxins)! No to hydro (flooding)! No to Wave and Tidal (inteferes with marine ecology)! No to macro solar (takes land from food farming and the wild)! You can see the problem. But can you fix it while only losing a few undesirable widgets?

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  9. `But can you fix it while only losing a few undesirable widgets?’

    No, but the additional power generated by the Seven Barrage would have gone towards what is euphemistically known as growth by the capitalists i.e. producing more crap, whilst an important biodiverse ecology would have been lost forever.

    Under socialism what is necessary will be redefined completely but as long as there is private appropriation of the social surplus that cannot happen because profit is king. Only when the property of the monopoly capitalists has been socialised can we begin to seriously address sustainability but I agree that in the meantime we should do what we can on an individual basis and demand what we can from the government.

    What a socialist government would do is a good question however and you outline the problems nicely in regard of the naysaying. I think the best we can pledge at the moment is to take a holistic as opposed to an ad hoc, anarchistic approach to the question. One thing is for sure simply reducing the working week by half freeing up time to act with consideration for the environment instead of purchasing garbage wrapped in tons of packaging to feed to our neglected children would be a huge start.

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  10. Come the glorious day, existing large-scale renewable power sources to take over will massively reduce the problems of the workers state (socialism = soviet power & electrification, remember).

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  11. “No, but the additional power generated by the Seven Barrage would have gone towards what is euphemistically known as growth by the capitalists.”

    Not true The additional power generated by the Severn Barrage would have gone to reduce the amount of fossil fuels burnt – even under capitalism.

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  12. `Not true The additional power generated by the Severn Barrage would have gone to reduce the amount of fossil fuels burnt – even under capitalism.’

    I don’t think so Jodley. If the global or even british capitalist system was ever able to grow again the amount of energy produced by a seven barrage would soon be but a tiny blip compared to the overall additional energy consumption.

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  13. But would the growth be *caused* by the severn barrage project? (Or similar – off-shore wind, for example). Or is growth independent of renewable projects?

    If the former – that’s a serious argument against ANY renewable energy project. If the latter, then it still amounts to reducing the amount of fossil fuels burnt. (Maybe not in absolute terms, but in terms of what would have been burnt in the absence of renewable energy).

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  14. Friends of the Earth Cymru and the entire environmental movement (including Respect before its demise) in South Wales did oppose the Severn Barrage in favour of better, more ecological and more sustainable technologies to harness tidal power such as tidal lagoons which would be cheaper, more ecological and generate more power.

    A quick summary from FoE of their thinking can be found here:
    http://www.foe.co.uk/cymru/english/news/severn_barrage_report.html

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  15. There’s little doubt that current patterns of consumption, production, war, habitat destruction and environmental depletion are unsustainable, threaten millions if not billions of lives and risk irreversible damage.

    But socialism (unlike a Greener capitalism advocated in Lucas’ piece- ” green government advocating localism and the power of private enterprise”) is about fundamental change.

    It is about taking power away from the boardrooms and elite and giving it to ordinary people, actually ordinary people taking it for ourselves and making immediate improvements to our standards of living that are more sustainable.

    -Public transport networks free at the point of use
    – Cutting out a lot of unnecessary travelling
    -insulation of all homes and businesses
    – getting rid of unnecessary work and unnecessary consumption
    etc. etc.

    Socialism a society run by workers based on freedom and equality can be very much about growth based on quality of life, based on choice, based on imagination and people living the lives they want to live.

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  16. Certainly a socialist regime would quite quickly reorganise things to eradicate the insanity of commuting which satisfies the middle class urges to both speculate in property and live away from the polluting consequences of the industries they own and manage. Fat good it did them as pollution is now generalised and inescapable and many houses are worthless or worth less than the money borrowed to buy them.

    But back to Jodley. I think you are right but reducing the amount of fossil fuel that would have been burnt in the context of increased burning of fossil fuel ultimately isn’t going to help is what I mean. Yes to renewable energy projects but not at the cost of the environment itself which this barrage would have been and as are so many of the other proposals esp bio-fuels. A major reorganisation of society is required before we can even think about true sustainability but of course we should make demands and be as green as we are able as individuals and say what we will do when in power.

    Adamski: Respect has not demised I’m sorry to have to inform you despite your best efforts to destroy it.

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  17. “Yes to renewable energy projects but not at the cost of the environment itself”

    in other words….”No to renewable energy projects”, because renewable energy sufficient to power a society that includes modern medicine, refrigeration and computing requires large-scale renewable facilities. And there are none that are without some cost to the environment – whether that be visual amenity or wildlife.

    What is the minimum kWh/day/person that you feel would be sufficient under the socialism that you aim to build? How is it to be achieved (i.e. which technologies would remain). How do you intend to generate the energy? If you want it carbon-free, then you have some very hard choices to make.

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  18. Yes there will be hard choices but the Seven Estuary is one of the most special places in Britain for biodiversity not to speak of beauty and should not be sacrificed to industry and as for bio-fuels they have an even bigger carbon foot print than petroleum apart from taking huge swathes of land out of agriculture and creating mono cultures vulnerable to wipe out.

    But certainly a socialist society would set out to become carbon neutral as quickly as possible but to begin with social rather than technical changes (such as living where we work, a proper work life balance, directed investment and planning, workers democracy and control to end social alienation, and so forth) would massively reduce our energy needs.

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  19. No to coal! No to oil! No to gas! No to nuclear! No industrialised renewable energy production in ‘special places’!

    As David Mackay would say, what do you expect to happen when you flick the lightswitch? (or should we presume that’s a “Yes to beeswax candles”).

    I don’t really care what a socialist society would set out to do, because we need to go rapidly in the direction of zero carbon now, not put it off until some imagined future in which you rule the world.

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  20. p.s. energy from biomass is not identical with transport biofuel.

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  21. `I don’t really care what a socialist society would set out to do, because we need to go rapidly in the direction of zero carbon now, not put it off until some imagined future in which you rule the world.’

    But the point is Jodley that capitalist anarchy (competition) and production for profit are irreconcilable with environmentalism.

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  22. If that’s all you’ve got, my friend, then let’s keep dancing. ‘If I ruled the world’ visioning of distant socialist futures doesn’t reduce CO2 emissions in the here and now. Do you have a view on present projects that have the ambition to reduce CO2 emissions, such as http://www.climatesolidarity.org.uk – do they simply fuel an illusion that the problem can be solved within capitalism? I don’t think capitalist anarchy is reconcilable with environmentalism, but that’s hardly unique to capitalism.

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  23. Also, can you answer the question about kWh/day/person and how you plan to produce it in the socialist future.

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  24. I’m afraid I can’t Jodley. But we seem to be sort of agreeing. My only difference is that I was opposed to the Severn Barrage (and bio fuels) like just about every environmentalist in the UK as a non solution. Also I do not relegate socialist to some distant future but believe that its time has not only come but is in danger of going. The struggle for socialism is the struggle for environmentalism and vice versa but it needs to be openly stated. Those environmentalists who think that the environment can be `saved’ this side of socialism need to be challenged but also, I agree with you, that those socialists who don’t campaign for sustainable solutions now too need to be challenged. It is simply that we do not agree that the sever barrage was a genuinely sustainable option or a genuine contribution to the protection of bio-diversity.

    The biggest and most immediate effect on reducing our carbon footprint would be to end the anarchy of capitalist production. Far more than any technological fix though we will need those too.

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  25. I think you’ve got it the wrong way round. It’s not that that ending the anarchy of capitalist production will reduce our carbon footprint, it’s that reducing our carbon footprint (collectively and systematically) undermines the anarchy of capitalist production.

    The difficulty is where “ecological footprint” comes into conflict with “carbon footprint”. And I agree, the severn barrage was a problem in terms of the former. But those who oppose it have to put forward concrete (excuse the pun) alternatives that can be implemented today (not future technologies still in R&D).

    I suggest you do investigate the issue of how much energy is consumed (currently and under ideal circumstances of efficiency and lower consumption) and what it would take to produce that amount of energy, without resort to fossil fuels. Doing so is very enlightening and illustrates the scale of the task. The danger is that the choice not to harness tidal power is effectively a choice to continue burning fossil fuels or to build nuclear power stations.

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  26. `I suggest you do investigate the issue of how much energy is consumed (currently and under ideal circumstances of efficiency and lower consumption) and what it would take to produce that amount of energy, without resort to fossil fuels.’

    Why don’t you enlighten me, I’m a busy man? Anyway, I guess we are going to have to struggle along with our different perspectives. From my point of view nothing serious can be done about global warming this side of socialism and from yours the struggle against global warming will automatically bring about socialism. I do agree we must struggle against global warming but with the understanding that only by getting rid of the anarchy will be be able to tackle it. The struggle should make that increasingly obvious rather than increasingly obviously unecessary.

    Your position is ecoreformism.

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  27. In this house I wage constant jihad against plastic bags and of course it’s better that people cycle than use 4x4s. My point was that the entire ideological thrust is to put responsibility on individual lifestyle choices.

    At this point it is a very abstract debate just how much energy people in the developed countries get to use. It’s quite effectively portioned out by pricing mechanisms at the moment. The richer you are the bigger your car and consumption. All Caroline Lucas and those of us who agree with her on the issue of productivism can do at the minute is open up a debate on the issue and, maybe, start producing some figures.

    My inner utopian would argue that the long term job of rebuilding a movement that acts in the interests of the majority of the population, such as social democracy did briefly, requires this to be part of its intellectual baggage. In effect it requires a system of rationing based on social need, not wealth and that’s some way off.

    In the meantime it is possible to keep the debate around climate change alive in the unions and even the Labour Party.

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  28. Ecoreformist? Maybe.

    Anyhow, I did not suggest that the struggle against global warming automatically brings about socialism. I suggested that serious efforts at grassroots level to reduce CO2 emissions undermine capitalism – a different thing.

    Not sure why you think you are busier than me, but if you are going to comment on renewable energy it is worth having a clue what you are talking about.

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  29. Constant jihad against plastic bags is really irrelevant from a carbon footprint point of view. (Not from ecological footprint, because plastic bags are a bad thing ways that have nothing to do with CO2 emissions). Whereas cycling makes an enormous difference.

    It’s certainly true that the richer you are the more you are likely to consume and the more CO2 emissions are attributable to your actions – as long as we are viewing this in global perspective, and understand that virtually everyone in the UK belongs to the rich category, as far as CO2 emissions go.

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  30. `Not sure why you think you are busier than me, but if you are going to comment on renewable energy it is worth having a clue what you are talking about.’

    I don’t Jodley but clearly you have done the research so sharing wouldn’t hurt.

    Agree on the undermining as long as you are undermining it politically and not clinging to the belief that you are actually changing it.

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  31. What is the “it” in “changing it”? CO2 emissions or capitalism?

    For data on optimistic possibilities of demand and supply side changes, two sources spring to mind, both available as free pdf downloads.

    Zero Carbon Britain 2030 from the Centre for Alternative Technology http://www.zcb2030.org/

    David Mackay’s Sustainable Energy without hot air http://www.withouthotair.com/

    Now, both of these can be criticized from the point of view that they don’t advocate socialist revolution. Duh! But at least they have a grasp on the scale of the problem – which I think is profoundly lacking by anyone who thinks that this is something that can be either put off until after the revolution or that the revolution alone will fix things. Study the numbers and stare into the abyss. Enjoy.

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  32. “The biggest and most immediate effect on reducing our carbon footprint would be to end the anarchy of capitalist production.

    Too absract.
    So, not much use as a guideline for working in the unions, where Energy, Transport and Housing policies are under debate *right now*.
    There is also the ongoing question mark over the level of Government subsidy for introducing renewable energy.
    This is due to the effects of the recession,as well as the continued opposition of the far right and fossil-fuel lobby.

    In the USA the petroleum industry has spent more than $500 million in lobbying and campaign
    contributions to defeat clean energy and climate legislation in Congress.
    The “Tea Party”, heavily financed by the right-wing libertarian Koch organisation, sees Global Warming as a “socialist conspiracy”.
    It may derail the very moderate progressive legislation Obama has introduced so far
    See:-
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

    The Tory-Liberal Coalition aren’t this far to the right.
    They defend renewable energy and have gone ahead with a Green Investment Bank.
    But they’re still wedded to it being based on private capital.
    They’re also quite likely to cut the subsidies for renewable development within 3 years.
    Which is why the unions need to insist on meeting the 2020 targets for renewable energy and then some.
    Even within capitalism, countries like Germany, Portugal and Spain are moving much faster than Britain on this score.

    The Greens have progressive, reformist policies on banking, sustainable development etc.
    But they don’t really challenge the framework of capitalism.
    A Socialist Economy could manage a transition to a low carbon economy much more efficiently
    But only if socialists have the right policies on these issues.
    If it’s not based on sound environmental principles, such a “socialism” won’t be sustainable in the long-term.
    The unions are “school of workers control” and therefore these issues should be debated in them *now*

    Workers are unlikely to support politicians who tell them to chuck away their Washing Machines, Dishwashers, Microwaves, TV’s, Ipods and Mobile phones.
    Socialists should be talking about more efficient methods of transportation, producing energy, manufacturing and recycling.
    The most important question being power.
    What’s required is a European-scale industrial programme to move towards renewable energy and electricify the transport system.
    Along with a continental grid, integrating Wind, Wave, Hydroelectric and Solar Power from Northern Europe to North Africa.

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  33. “Workers are unlikely to support politicians who tell them to chuck away their Washing Machines, Dishwashers, Microwaves, TV’s, Ipods and Mobile phones.”

    Arguably these are mainly the wrong targets. A washing machine at 30 degrees or cold is not hugely CO2 polluting, dishwasher can be less CO2 polluting than washing by hand, microwaves can be less CO2 polluting than heating a conventional oven. In fact, bizarrely, the Energy Saving Trust recommends that I buy a microwave! As for TVs, Ipods and mobile phones…. the embodied energy is the killer. And why shouldn’t peer presure (not politicians, but other workers) be brought to bear to make constant ‘upgrade’ undesirable?

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  34. Liam,

    “. But yesterday the British government axed a major scheme to create electricty using wave power”

    I’m quite sure that if creating electricity using wave power was more economic than current methods – which means, – if it actually used fewer of the worlds resources – your government would not have to use your taxpayers money to create such a project because private investers would beat them to it.

    It was probably ditched for all the right reasons.

    Cheers,

    Roger

    http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

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