Don’t worry if you were one of the several hundred we had to turn away from last night’s Socialist Resistance forum on politics after Blair . Damn the Fire Brigade with their silly health and safety rules! We got the best bits on video for you to enjoy over and over again.

In the first video Simon Deville of Labour Briefing’s editorial board puts the case for socialists remaining in the Labour Party and argues that attempts to build anything outside it will be marginal and futile.

In the second video Alan Thornett says that Labour’s move to the right has created the space for a new socialist party. He observes that Respect by itself cannot be this and needs to be relaunched and revamped to make itself a pole of attraction.

Sit back and enjoy.

Time to get real!

Alan Thornett

We are at an important turning point in British politics. Brown is about to enter office. It is already clear that he is planning to drive forward all the main items of New Labour policy: the neo-liberal offensive; the attack on public sector; the continuation of the war in Iraq; the replacement of Trident; and the attack on human rights and civil liberties as well as his current attack on public sector wages. He may disengage to some degree from Iraq, but no more so than the US Democrats are planning to do.

This situation has been compounded by the spineless soft left Labour MPs who refused to nominate John McDonnell and create a contest. They have facilitated a seamless transfer from Blair to Brown that New Labour has been planning for a long time. It is the plan B under which Blair, damaged mainly by the war, but also through his association with corruption, dishonesty and neo-liberalism, can be replaced with a new broom in his own image.

The danger now is that we could now have a rejuvenated Blairism well placed to drive the whole new Labour project to a new stage.

Unfortunately much of the left seems to be oblivious to this danger and appear to have learned little out of the defeat of the McDonnell campaign.

The McDonnell defeat has exposed the chronic weakness of the Labour left as far their influence (or relevance) inside the Labour Party is concerned. Yet all the signs are that they intend to plough on with the same line – that the Labour party can be “reclaimed” for the left and for the workers’ movement. The Communist Party of Britain (CPB) which also has a “reclaim Labour” position appears to be doing the same.

This would be a big mistake. Despite campaigning for months John McDonnell fell well short of the 45 nominations he needed from Labour MPs to stand. For the first time since the early years of the Labour Party the left failed to mount a challenge in a Labour leadership contest.

The McDonnell campaign’s claim that they were robbed of a contest by the requirement to be nominated by 45 is not credible. Of course the right are not going to do them any favours, but it is not a new requirement. It was there in the election following Ramsey McDonald’s resignation in 1931. What’s new is that for the first time the left was unable to surmount it.

Brown won a massive 318 nominations, including those of Campaign group member Bob Marshal Andrews and John Cruddas the “left” challenger for the deputy position. This was a huge vote of confidence for Brown’s project.

Yet John McDonnell says: “We’re now in a stronger position to fight for socialist policies than we have been for years”. It is another delusion His failure has exposed the full extent of the weakness of the Labour left which has clearly existed for a long time.

Others on the Labour left argue that problem was amongst Labour MPs, not party members. Of course there is a problem amongst MPs. The whole of the intake of new Labour MPs since 1997 have been absorbed into the Blairite project. But Labour MPs have to reflect the pressure from party members – and there lies the other problem, there was no significant pressure from party members to nominate McDonnell. In fact the pressure was in the other direction, for MPs to try to secure their future by nominating Brown.

And what happened to the trade union awkward squad? Most of them rushed to endorse Brown. McDonnell failed to win the support of any major union for his campaign. Neither Derek Simpson, Tony Woodley, Dave Prentis nor any of the general secretaries of the big unions were prepared to back him. They enthusiastically backed Brown. In fact a bit of support from the trade union leaders would have been enough to get McDonnell on the ballot paper.

McDonnell argues that the way forward from here is to support the conference of the Labour Representation Committee (LRC) in October.

But the LRC hardly exists outside of its occasional conferences. It is also a misnomer. It is not a campaign for independent labour representation – like its predecessor at the turn of the 19th century which produced the Labour Party as an alternative Liberal representation. It is a campaign to reclaim Labour: i.e. a campaign to stay in the Labour Party as its first principle and win it back for the left. That is why you have to be a Labour Party member to join it.

The reality is that a crisis of labour representation and consequently the conditions for a new party to the left of Labour have existed since the mid-1990s and Blair’s take-over of the Party. Space opened up to the left of Labour which is even wider today.

At the same time the Labour left have been ever more marginalised. Every major radicalisations of the past 10 years from Seattle to the to the Global Justice Movement and from the mass anti-war movement (with its millions on the streets) to the current environmental and anti climate change campaigns have by-passed the Labour left. You only have to look at the decline in the number of Labour Party banners on demonstrations over the last two decades to get the picture. It’s now unusual to see one at these events.

Some on the Labour left argue that you can’t build a new party to the left of Labour with the current low level of trade union struggles. But the mass anti-war movement, the global justice movement, mobilisations against the G8 and against climate change and in defence of the environment are forms of class struggle as well. If you take these struggles and the radicalisation they produce alongside the potential political recomposition created by the march to the right of new Labour and the collapse of new Labour membership figures you have the necessary ingredients for a substantial new party.

But if people from the Labour left and the CPB were to help organise a political alternative outside of Labour this would open up new possibilities for the left as a whole.

The problem we have is that while the political conditions clearly exist for a new party to the left of Labour the project has stalled as a result of divisions amongst the left themselves. The SWP have their responsibility for this, but they are not the only problem.

The reason why the Stop the War Coalition (StWC) has been so successful is because it has been a genuine coalition of the left. The CPB, the trade union left and much of the Labour left are in it and working fruitfully with the SWP and George Galloway. If the left can work together in this way in the StWC why can’t it do so as a political alternative to Blairism?

Respect has its problems (which we have written about at some length) but it has responsibilities in this situation as well.

Respect is the best attempt so far to build something to the left of Labour. No other party has found a response amongst some sections of the working class in the way that Respect has. It is the only organisation on the socialist left w
hich can win new seats in local elections and which has a chance (a very good chance) of winning a seat or seats in the London Assembly next year. The 12,000 votes in Birmingham in May amongst 7 candidates was a remarkable achievement.

Respect is not, in itself, the answer to the problem of a left alternative. But it is the best focus around which such an alternative can be built. Respect should not simply call on people from the Labour left and the CPB to simply join it in its present form. Rather it should be prepared to discuss the problem without preconditions and not let organisational formulae stand in the way of the political goal in front.

Using the advent of the Brown era to organise the left into a far more effective force is the only adequate response to the problems we face.

Here’s Simon’s piece

Why socialists should be in the Labour Party

Simon Deville, Labour Left Briefing

The Labour Party leadership has moved a long way to the right implementing a programme of counter-reforms that the Tories under Thatcher couldn’t. At the same time the left is a pale shadow of its height in the 1980s. Some argue that this demonstrates the need for a new left party. I would argue that this is based on both a wrong assessment of the current political period, and a wrong strategic orientation that can only serve to further marginalise the left from the mainstream of the working class. The central problem with this argument is that it has no explanation as to how and why Blair has been able to push the Labour Party so far to the right with so little opposition either inside or outside the party and it shows no understanding of the real scale of the problem we face.
Overall, people who have become disillusioned with New Labour have not gone on the streets on mass protest but have tended to drop out and become less political. No far left group has recruited even a significant minority of the 200,000 people who have left the Labour Party since 1997. Most people are opposed to privatisation but this has not translated into either a strike wave or even a mass campaign against the continued privatisation of health, education or housing. Many might not like what New Labour is doing, but this doesn’t mean they have drawn any radical conclusions from this. The anti-war movement is a dramatic exception, but even here, the anti-war movement’s absolute peak was on the eve of war when millions of people believed that their collective activity could actually stop the war. The anti-war movement has made an impact on class consciousness, but it hasn’t seen the movement find an organisational expression on a national scale.
Aside from those disillusioned with politics, much of the left ignores the fact that there is a significant section of the population that is reasonably happy with the Blair government. Blair has after all won three elections in a row. Ten years of economic stability, a continued growth in property prices and near full-employment all mean that a lot of people have done quite nicely under Blair, albeit at the expense of a growth in inequality unheard of under a Labour Government.
The legacy of the defeat of the miners has massively undermined class confidence and combativity creating low levels of strikes and struggles and convincing large numbers of working class people that collective struggles cannot help to win reforms or improve their immediate situation. The rightward drift of Labour is merely a reflection of a rightward drift in the trade unions and elsewhere, and can’t be resolved simply by leaving the Labour Party. The votes of the trade union leaders have rescued Blair time and again. The ‘big four’ unions still hold decisive sway within the Labour Party – Blair would have gone years ago if they had forced him out. The mainstream trade union leaders have deluded themselves – despite all the evidence – that they somehow have influence on Blair by negotiating behind the scenes. Those radical unions that have left or been expelled from the Labour Party have not gone on to form a new party but have strengthened the hand of the right wing unions.
We are left with a very complex and in many ways contradictory situation in which the key task for socialists should be finding ways of patiently rebuilding the labour movement and confidence of the class, of finding ways of resisting privatisation and the neo-liberal offensive and most importantly of winning some victories that demonstrate the importance of collective struggles. In order to do this we must be firmly rooted inside the mainstream of the working class movement and develop ways of relating to the political centre and mobilising the class as a whole.
Launching a radical, left wing party will only serve to pull together some of the best working class activists and isolate them still further from the rest of the class. Simply asserting as some do, that workers are angry and straining to be let off the leash by the bureaucracy misunderstands the current situation. Calling on the formation of an ideological-based party that will then somehow win the working class over to it misunderstands how politics work and will ensure that socialists have even less influence on the mainstream of the class than they have at the moment.
There is an obvious appeal to working only with people you are broadly in agreement with, but if socialists are to make any significant impact they will need to get their hands dirty and work with the broad mass of the working class, often on terms that we do not choose.

10 responses to “Can we build a new socialist party in Britain?”

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    I woulda attended but it was the last in the series of The Apprentice and I had to see which parasite got it….and I haven’t got a video recorder (I still live in the 20th century technology wise)Anyways, looks like Simon did a grand job explaining the importance of the LP and why socialists still need to orientate towards it. Inside better than outside. Or as, Simon once eloquently said in a previous comments box, Resistance is futile…

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  2. Jim you have fallen foul of the personal abuse rule. See comments policy above. This is an uncharacteristic lapse for you and if you’d like to make the same political point without the personal insults it won’t be deleted.

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  3. OK: I can’t remember what the alleged “personal abuse” was, but: I think Comrade Thornett was less than articulate about the role of the working class and the organised Labour movement must be in the struggle for socialism in Britain today. I also think that he was less than fully coherent about “Respect” and its future role (if any) in the class struggle in Britain today.My overall opinion of Comrade Thornett’s contibution to that particular debate, is that he was not particularly helpfull. Is that OK, Liam?

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  4. I’m sad enough to badly want to listen to this, but the clips won’t play. Do I have to download software from anywhere or something?

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  5. Seems to me that if Jim’s initial comment roughly corresponded to what he wrote on our blog, then there was no “personal abuse”. Rather, if that’s the case then I think you’re being over-sensitive.

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  6. Dave it should work without any clever software. Try turning on your speakers. A written version of Alan’s contribution is printed below and Simon’s should be up tomorrow.Yes Jim. Polemical but reasoned. Well done! I’d been told you could do it.

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  7. Simon is clearly utterly wrong here: The rightward drift of Labour is merely a reflection of a rightward drift in the trade unions and elsewhere, and can’t be resolved simply by leaving the Labour Party. The votes of the trade union leaders have rescued Blair time and again. The ‘big four’ unions still hold decisive sway within the Labour Party – Blair would have gone years ago if they had forced him out. What ?The trade union leaderships are not drifting to the right, and stand to the left of where they were twenty years ago. Remember Eric Hammond?In any event, the victory of the Blairite right is not a “merely a reflection” of the trade union leadership. does Simon have any evidence for such a bizarre claim?If we are to believe Simon the leadership of the big unions created Blairism, despite the fact that Blairism is in deep structural antagognism with the interests of both the union bureaucracies and their members.Almost every union opposed the Iraq war, most oppose Trident, all unions want to see improvement of their legal rights, the unions oppose PFI, the unions want to see rights for Agency workers. Yet Simon says Blairism is “merely a reflection” of the union leaders drif to the right.Of the big four unions only Unison backs any of the Blairite agenda (although Brendon barbour is alos pretty useless for the TUC, and USDAW the number 5 union is also very right wing.)Alan Thornett is overly optimistic about Respect, and over optimistic about how favourable the circumstances are for building an alternative to Lbaour.But Simon’s position is almost non-sensical, because it places a privilaged responsibility and capablity on the individual members of the Labour party – who are almost the most atomised, demoralised, directionless and powerless group you could imagine.As Bob Crow observed today at the morning Star conference, how on Earth can the Labour party be reclaimed? By hat possble mechanism? You don’t have enough MPs to get a candidate for leader, on the NEC you block with Brownites to put forward a “grassroots” slate rather than a left slate, you cannot win enough seats on the National Policy Forum, and even when the big four unions have forced left policy through conference as they have done for e.g. on council housing, then government ignores conference.Simon is also living in a dream world of he thinks that grasssroots trade unionists are looking to labour. In my union branch, out of 50+ stewards and activist there is not one LP member.Last year when two coaches took 50 or 60 or so trade unionsts from Swindon to Tolpuddle, only 2 were in the LP – both of them trade union officials (i.e. less than half of even the trade union officials!)

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  8. Bob Crow left Labour to join the Arthur Scargill SP , or whatever it was called.Not a good move. Simon is right. Labour still can be re-claimed. No, we couldn’t get a candidate on the ballot, not because there was no left support, but because the PLP has been taken over. The union leaders could have helped us by openly supporting John McDonnell and urging sponsored MPs to do the same.Instead the awkward squad rolled over and died.So did the Morning Star’s favoured son Jon Cruddas. A grave disappointment,. Yes they have left positions on Trident etc but what’s the point of that if ( as in UNISON’S case) they endorse candidates of the right.We have to get our hands dirty. we have to become councillors (not difficult) MPs (not impossible) and swell the ranks of what, accepted, is still a very small Labourleft. It’s still a damn sight bigger than RESPECT, the SP or any of the other myriad sects. I also note the Morning Star conference had 200 or so delgates . Well I’m hoping to get similar at a Labour Party left event in the autumn in my locality. Bob Crow is a great guy but his position on this utterly wrong. The RMT and FBU should swallow their reservations, strengthen the left and get BACK into the Labour Party.End of story.

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  9. So apart from the right controlling the NEC, the PLP and the National Policy Forum, Millbank manipulating PPC selection, and conference having no power, the left are still in quite a good position, Susan?It is a pointless argument whether or not socailsits should be in the LP, because we are not going to convince each other.But we do need a coherent analysis of why the right are in control and to say it is a reflection of the trade union leaders moving to the rigyt is an analysis that leads in a disastrously wrong direction.And when was Bob Crow ever a member of the Labour party? I will bet you a million pounds he never was ;o) In neither the FBU nor RMT is there any mood by the membership to reaffilate, even if the leadership wannted to, and the CWU membership are itching to diaffiliate and Billy hayes is holding them back. That is the direction of travel, whether we like it or not. And this is to do with the mass of individual decsions of grassroots union members impacted by Blair’s government.And do the non-affilaited union have any less political influence than the affiliated ones? 22 of 27 MPs sponsoring McDonnell are in the RMT parliamentary group. And when the big 4 have got policy through conference the government has ignored it.You are looking at the question entirley the wrong way round. the unions bureaucracy have a mass base, and interests of their own to pursue – they are on the whole only going to back a left in the LP if that left can deliver for them. You can’t.Incidentlly, John Mcdonnell on Saturday opinied that the total real membership of the LP was 30000 – not just the left, the whole party.

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  10. as for the size of the “anti war movement” – is this the STWC? anyway, whatever it is it is as big as the last thing it did. in Bham that was a meeting of 70 (small room at church overflowed). for the demonstration in february i think there were just 3 coaches; mine (trades council coach) had 17 on it and was the main swp vehicle… anyway, i am not sure of the impact on society of the STWC but the impact of the anti war movement on the left is that, if there’s national anti war stuff going on then ‘the left’ in groups and organisations all turn out for it
    so perhaps what i am thinking of is some kind of unity of existing elements of the organised left based on ‘anti war’-type politics: perhaps, rather than just being peaceniks they actively fight for international working class (anti capitalist) socialist future
    and of course, re: stwc, i recognise that birmingham isnt like london, but that’s how it is!

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