RAMONES It’s tricky deciding what you want to have engraved on your headstone. For me it’s a toss up between “Hey ho let’s go!” or “only chahegelnge is constant”. George Galloway’s document to the Respect National Council has utterly changed the landscape inside Respect. That’s not much of an insight. What is less apparent but equally true is that the pack ice on the British left may also be starting to break up.

The Labour left has demonstrated that it is finished as a political force in the coming years. John Mc Donnell’s campaign confirmed what was already obvious. The only public criticism that Brown has received for inviting Thatcher to Downing Street was from a Tory MP. His complaint was that Brown was taking advantage of a bewildered old woman. Any reasonable person would be cross with him for not pushing her down the stairs and pretending it was an accident. Those photos of Thatcher standing beside the great hope of the union bureaucracy, Brown, are his signal that he does not even need to worry about any flak from the left in his party. His lectures to public sector workers about the need to keep their pay awards below inflation tell us which side he is on in the class war.

It is going to be increasingly difficult to sell Brown as the true spirit of old Labour inside the unions and there is where the action is going to start. All those union activists and officials who used to think waiting for Blair to go was a strategy have reached a dead end. Bob Crow’s instruction to RMT branches to investigate the feasibility of standing candidates is the first strong sign of an important union casting around for a political expression. The role of the Communist Party is going to become critical in the next six months or so. The Morning Star has already started carrying articles preparing its readers for a discussion on an alternative to Labour and the CP has a strong minority which has already voted to join Respect.

ThatcherBrown200The reason I left Respect was that it felt too much like being in a SWP branch. George Galloway’s document has now opened up and legitimised several areas several previously taboo areas of debate. These include a strategic discussion on what sort of organisation Respect is; how does it try to give newly recruited members a political education; what sort of democratic and organisational structures does it need; should it continue as a party or a coalition.

Everything is up in the air at the moment. I’ve got no way of knowing if there is a willingness to compromise on either side. Certainly there is an element of truth in the criticisms they make of each other and I stand by every one of the comments I’ve made about both of them Respect may split asunder before Christmas. There may be some sort of compromise to keep things shakily on the road to give Lindsey German a chance to get elected to the GLA. A worthy enough objective but it’s chickenfeed as a political strategy. Or the period of debate and reflection which has now started may lead to an entirely new approach to building an alternative to Labour. Because whatever faults George Galloway or the SWP have neither of them have privatised anything, started any imperialist wars, scabbed on any strikes or invited Margaret Thatcher round for tea.

Those of us who are committed to the project of creating a class struggle, anti-imperialist alternative to Brown’s Labour Party have to engage with this process while the opening is there. My conclusion is that this makes it right to join Respect again. Significant parts of the organisation will be an indispensable part of this development. We have been presented with an opportunity and we need to seize it.

68 responses to “Why I have rejoined Respect”

  1. I am truly astonished……

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  2. I’m not astonished, but I’m confused as to what to do.

    Join the Labour left, who have no organisational means to assert their politics, or join Respect who have no presence?

    Writing snarky comments iis an option, but not too valuable.

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  3. There was nothing snarky about it at all. I meant what I said. I am astonished.

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  4. Tami your quitting SR to join a decomposing Labour Party was astonishing. This is taking an opportunity and engaging constructively. You know where to find me on Sunday at 9pm if you wish to discuss the matter.

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  5. You do realise Liam, that George,with the Media cash & cusody stuff has no intention whatsoever of continuing with “Respect”.
    I have no idea what you think will come out of it.

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  6. George Galloway or the SWP have neither of them have privatised anything, started any imperialist wars, scabbed on any strikes or invited Margaret Thatcher round for tea.

    Fellating Uday Hussein and 30 years of corruption clearly doesnt count.

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  7. At least members and even MPs in the organisation I joined are organising to defend the trade unions against the oncoming onslaught this autumn. I have fuck all idea what the organisation you’ve just rejoined is doing besides organising yet another talking shop which doesn’t even have their name on the leaflet and bickering themselves into irrelevance.

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  8. “Join the Labour left, who have no organisational means to assert their politics, or join Respect who have no presence?”

    Give me the Labour Left anytime.

    I just find all this extremely odd as if the GG document will open up any structures. It just seems foolhardy fantasy world (and you accuse us Labour Lefts as suffering illusions…!). And now you have the Morning Tank/CPB who may be on board. What another democratic centralist org? It just gets better and better.

    Are you hoping, with adaptations, to create a revolutionary pole of attraction? Fat chance.

    Even if I got sick and tired of the LP and left I would not even consider joining Respect as its relationship with the Labour Movement is non-existant. Were there Respect supporters at TUC conference, for example? Can’t see any analysis on the Respect website.

    And why did the John McD. campaign “confirm what was already obvious”? What ‘cos he didn’t get on the ballot paper? But one of the most important things about the campaign was that McD appealed to the activist layer.

    When McD. was getting the nominations he featured on news bulletins indicating that there are still socialists in the LP. Walter Wolfgang gets media attention for heckling and gets on the NEC. These may be unimportant factors to Respect supporters but the above are symbolic as well that the Labour left are still around.

    Finally, at least the Labour left has been constant and consistent to a degree unlike the one hit wonders who organise outside the LP(SA, SLP, CNWP and Respect). They come and go. There’s discussions about the likelihood of building a mass workers party, but then…. kaput!

    Maybe in years to come there will be special feature called: Where are they now? GG still some media hyped maverick, and Respect? Oh Respect, was some grouping which died a death.

    And give me John McD. any day over Galloway as at least he is consitent with his politics.

    What exactly is Galloway’s position on lesbian and gay rights again? He was absent during many of the votes on this issue over the past year…or two.

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  9. Oh, and come Respect conference, what exactly is going to happen? Faction fight possibly? A messy experience to have and the broader picture is lost. Who precisely will that appeal to? The masses flocking to the doors of Respect? Fat chance.

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  10. Liam,

    I think Louise summed it up for me.

    Liam, are you not just trying that cunning tactic of entryism?

    but seriously, Respect are going to fall apart, surely you can see it coming?

    and bear in mind, that if you act too critically, expect too much or blog on internal matters on Respect then you’re in for a hiding

    this is all going to end very messily, best keep a paper diary, it might make an amusing book one-day

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  11. For me the fact there are ‘few good people’ in the Labour Party is the most pitiful thing you can say about it.

    As far as I am concerned every vote taken from Labour by SP, Respect, Greens, IWCA is gold dust. We have to demonstrate that there is life and hope outside of the New Labour Party. This is slowly and painstakingly being achieved.

    Respect can be congratulated for the work its done so far but clearly the organisation has existed on a knife edge from the beggining. Thank god something concrete came out of the anti war movement and people should not underestimate the credibility and profile that gives Respect on the doorstep before they consider tearing everything up and starting again.

    This bust up in respect should be seen for what it is, an oportunity to reach out to those who cannot stomach the LP and want an alternative but have been unsure about working with Galloway and SWP.The SWP can be credited with working hard to demonsrate the potential for a left of labour vote, now it must have the humility to accept that the project can only suceed if they loosen their grip on the organisation and take a chance at greater pluralism. We need a broad anti neo liberal party not a party constantly exhausted because its few activists are trying to run two parallel structures.

    The sensible thing to do would be for the SWP to compromise, accept a new national secretary, give John Rees another job to utilise his undoubted talents and in return require greater accountability for the elected representatives by strengthening branch/ ward/ constituency rules.

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  12. Reduce politics to a slanging match and we learn nothing from each other and deter those we would purport to represent. The descent into this kind of abuse is one of the biggest turn-offs for those who share the Left’s ideals but wouldn’t touch its organisations with a very, verry long barge-pole.

    In this so-called debate a dose of humility and pluralism is sorely needed.

    Respect has had some localised successes and elected the first left-of-Labour MP in a General election since the CPGB in 1945. But its councillor base is small, it has failed to build a substantial membership nor develop a democratic and participative party culture. The current dispute within Respect is precisely a recognition of these failings and there will surely be some kind of outcome at the National Council meeting on 22 September and the party conference 16/17 November.

    The Labour Left enjoyed a revival at a grassroots level with the McDonnell campaign. Votes can be won against Blair/Brown at party conference, dependent on the Trade Union block vote. There remain some good solidly Left MPs in Parliament and councillors too. But McDonnell failed to get on the Ballot paper, no left challenger to Wendy Alexander in Scotland either where the Left might have been expected to be stronger. The Campaign Group is likely to decline in size and with the changes to Labour Party structures it is mystifying unclear how any change within the party can be affected. These are weaknesses that the Labour Left can hardly afford to ignore.

    Meanwhile the SNP are enacting a basic social-democratic programme in Scotland. The Greens have close to 100 councillors, 2 MEPs, 2 GLA members and a number of bery strong local bases.

    On the far right the hateful BNP are doing almost as well as the Greens, certaibly at a council level with a real chance of GLA members and MEPs. UKIP of course already have a large number of MEPs, though their numbers have been reduced with Kilroy-Silk’s vanity spat and Ashley Mote in jail for benefit fraud.

    A sensible exchange, founded on pluralism and recognising that we can learn from each other would recognise these self-evident strengths and weaknesses. Value what each and everyone of us are doing, in different ways, in different prganisations, and mostly none, to subvert the parliamentary neo-liberal consensus. And at the same time recognise that the Greens, the Scots and Welsh nationalists (we can argue where they lie on the political spectrum) and the Far Right are all doing rather better than those of us who define ourselves as on the Left.

    Pluralism and humility, neither of these would go amiss when conducting debates of this sort.

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  13. Mark – I agree entirely with your general point, but the details are a bit too pessimistic.

    The Greens have close to 100 councillors

    111 – up by 18 in May.

    On the far right the hateful BNP are doing almost as well as the Greens

    48 councillors – up from, er, 48. (More on this back here)

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  14. I think there is a possibility of an interesting development from this for a future left project but it will only work on the basis of having a genuine attempt to reach out to people, to conduct politics in genuinely democratic and relate it to issues in the class struggle.

    I am sure there are many activists in Respect who would like this- however, in my opinion, they would have to go against the block vote of the SWP who would oppose a genuine rank and file democratic organisation and GG for that matter too. I don’t think in that sense Respect has much of a future.

    Perhaps, what would be best would be to enter intot the struggles up and down the country whether the Manchester mental health workers’ strike, the Freemantle strike in London, the postal strike, antideportation campaigns, antiwar work etc and call meetings of all the left- including the Labour lefts if they’ll turn up- and all in the localities wanting to support these strikes and campaigns and take the matter from there.

    To all those who participated in the McDonnell campaign we should say – good- now let’s join forces with those lefts outside the Labour Party in creating united front campaigns over all these issues- support the posties, support the Unison strikers, This of course would be to try to reorganise and reunite the left in action- leaving aside the issues of elections.

    However, it would if successful provide a sutiable audience to debate on elections specifically whether it is worth standing candidates of struggle- perhaps strikers or other prominent activists, perhaps even including Respect ones (or if it blows up ones once in Respect). And if it was done democratically with policies, programs and candidates selected at mass meetings this may well be a process worth engaging in and worthy of support and a grassroots election campaign- allied to, and to win support for, the wider class struggle.

    Out of Respect I’m sure there is a large number of activists potentially who can be won to such a project and on that basis- if it is on that basis- I can understand Liam rejoining, though about how far it will work I remain scepitcal, though willing to be convinced.

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  15. As a PCS activist, I’ve tried to contact our Campaign Group MP at least six times in recent years to get help fighting job cuts and been ignored – also he has a negligible influence on a relevant parliamentary select committee discussing job cuts in our area. Brown wants to reduce LP ‘democracy’ even more and several ‘left’ MPS are due to retire at the next election.

    At picket lines I have never seen a LP member supporting us in our last 14 strikes. However I have seen various LP Ministers/MPs attacking us relentlessly. Despite Respect’s limitations, they do publicise our disputes on the website and we have had Respect members coming to picket lines. At Union Conferences, Galloway has always had bigger fringe meetings than any LP MP. Tami/Louise are overegging the links between the LP and Trade Unionists. Shurely with Maggie Brown and the failure of the Mcdonell campaign, more of you should leave Labour.

    I am going to rejoin Respect – the space to the left of Labour is significant and we need a new left formation. Respect needs to broaden significantly – hopefully internal ructions will give it more pluralism to attract sceptic Trade Unionists.

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  16. Mark is on the money here. I would add that it is also helpful to explain some of the theory behind our arguments.
    Entryism is what you do in an organisation to which you are hostile. I’m a member of Hands Off Venezuela but I’m not doing “entry work” there. I support the campaign and want to help build it. On the other hand I spent some interesting but fruitless years in the Labour Party with the express intention of helping to rupture it. That plan didn’t quite work. What I was not trying to do was recreate its glory days of Clement Atlee or Harold Wilson.

    What is guiding all this is first of all a committment to creating a class struggle alternative to social democracy. I disagree with comrades who feel that the best place to do this work is in the Labour Party. That’s assuming those comrades engaged in the discussion see that as something right and necessary.

    The actual situation with which I am faced is that a major discussion has now opened up inside Respect on the very themes that Socialist Resistance has been arguing since Respect was established. A quick trawl through the pieces I’ve written will show that I have been even more virulent particularly about GG’s faults. It would be cretinous of me not to engage with that process since SR supporters are thin on the ground in Tower Hamlets. How this process will play out and what new alignments we will see is anyone’s guess.

    At the same time there are strong indications that real political forces are seeking a new political instrument. I want to be in the same organisation as them.

    To get a picture of just how messy the creation of socialist parties can be I would recommend that everyone following this discussion reads Pierre Broue’s indispensable The German Revolution.

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  17. May be. But I’d say to both George T and Liam who both seem to be wanting to rejoin Respect for good reasons that it is important to argue that any new organisation- a new political instrument- should reach out far more to participate in the wider struggles and that policies, programs and candidates are decided by mass meeetings. I can’t see that working without a split in Respect but I’m sure there is a number of people in Respect who could be won to a rank and file controlled organisation/campaign orientated towards to the wider working class and struggle. We should definitly engage with them.

    Also above and beyond that – though not at all counterposed to it- there’s need to have public meetings, rallies and organisational meetings to resurrect or may be create for the first time cross union committees-trades councils etc.- and united fornt campaigns to support the strikers, oppose privatisation, and other campaigns. For that we should call on those left in Labour and the sort of activsts who supported McDonnell.

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  18. I think Mark’s points are well made and I’d like to say that even though the left finds itself fragmented into different organisational camps at the moment I doubt any of us are over joyed with the current state of affairs.

    It seems to me that it makes perfect sense in some places for some individuals to continue their membership of the labour party. I think these instances are few and far between but they do exist. And if these people are able to act as a fifth column inside the government offsetting its worse excesses then I’m all for them.

    Likewise I suspect Liam is making the right decision at this current juncture, because Respect is where he is best placed to do some good, and after all it’s a decision that only commits him to a few months of horror before leaving again, so good luck to him.

    I just think we should hold in our minds what the purpose of joining a political organisation is for a socialist.

    If, ultimately, you’re slowing down the break with neoliberalism (as some labour “lefts” are doing) then you’re a pain in the bum. You’re not helping the rest of us address climate change, war and privatisation. Please behave.

    On the other hand if you’re fighting the good fight in your union, communities and campaigns and your membership of your group helps that then you are a member of the coolest gang in town – and deserve a lovely kiss.

    It’s unlikely that there is going to be a unitary political expression of the left in the UK for a generation but we can still make a difference, particularly if we remember we have more in common with left wingers in other parties (or none) than we do with those who have the same party card but do not share our values.

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  19. The comparison between Greens and Respect is spurious in terms of numbers of councillors.

    The Greens have been contesting elections for almost 30 years, Respect for three!

    Many Green Councillors are too the right of Labour voting for neoliberal cuts and privatisation. While not all Respect Councillors have impeccable leftist credentials, not a single Respect Councillor has voted for neoliberal cuts and privatisation. Respect Councillors also have taken militant stances against war and imperialism, many Green Councillors have similar positions to the LibDems on this vital question.

    Nor have Respect Councillors formed coalitions with capitalist parties such as the LibDems and Tories as the Green Party has. Let me repeat, the Green Party has linked arms with the Tories at local government level.

    The rather tiny Labour Left too often provide the left cover for the right. John McDonnell is a king canute figure who would do best now to break with Labour and set about joining with people who want to build a new left party.

    For example, in Wales, the Labour Left try and depict Welsh Labour as too the left of New Labour and have currently been selling the rather shitty Labour/Plaid coalition as radical, progressive etc.

    When it comes election time, many Labour Leftwingers are happy to go canvassing for Right Wing Pro-War MPs.

    Louise’s absurd suggestion that Respect has no involvement in the labour movement is absurd. In every locale, Respect members hold union positions, where I live Respect members were more active in solidarity with striking postal workers than any other organisation on the left. We also led one of the only two struggles in Wales that succesfully defeated council housing stock transfer. Our organisation is quite small where I live, but what is signifcant is that struggles that may once have been led by the Labour Party are now always led by the far left. In Wales, the heartland of the Labour Left, the party’s roots have withered with Labour receiving it’s lowest vote in the recent election since 1918.

    I agree with Liam Mac Uaid that the best possible outcome of the current debate in Respect would be to relaunch Respect in a new way, shift it’s programme leftwards and introduce more pluralist structures. Unfortunately, it is possibly likely that the outcome will be some sort of uneasy truce to let Respect continue in it’s current form. The Chinese word for “crisis” apparently signifies great danger and great opportunity, these current difficulties actually present great opportunity for Respect.

    I would like it, if leading members of Respect were prepared to open discussions with people who have remained outside of Respect (but would like to join a broad party to the left of Labour and the nationalists) how they would like Respect to change for them to join it.

    I also think that Andy N’s implication that it is possible to build a broad left wing organisation without including the biggest far left organisation in the UK is flawed.

    On John Rees, on a personal level, I have always found him quite courteous, friendly and helpful, and politically he has a very sharp mind.

    If we can fertilise the very positive achievements of Respect to build it as a broad socialist, anticapitalist party to the left of Labour (and Plaid in Wales) then this will be a very good outcome.

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  20. Liam, it’s good to have you back.

    Dave (Islington Respect)

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  21. George your comment about no members or MPs from the LP being on the picket lines or supporting strikes is hogwash and you know it. Not only are tens of thousands of trade union members in the Labour Party, but a good deal of them are out there on the picket lines as picketers themselves in these disputes!

    I cannot believe the sudden non-critical tenor towards Respect from MacUaid and the other ISGers who seem content to put reality on the back burner while throwing in their lot with Galloway – because in essence you are arguing that you support Galloway’s arguments against the SWP so I suspect you will be fighting in his corner in the inevitable faction fight which is going to occur at the next conference. How on earth can you justify such an unprincipled position? Especially you Liam who have rightly pointed out how horrible Galloway is on democracy, women and LGBT rights?

    Yes I am in the Labour Party, but I back the Labour left – who despite the mud that George T tries to throw at it has principled stands on everything that Galloway does not – party democracy? – check! Women’s rights? – check! Standing up for the LGBT commnity? – check! Full support to public sector workers? – check!

    Obviously Gordo doesn’t do these things but I am not a supporter of Gordo. Liam and the other SR members who are going back into Respect are making a conscious alliance with Galloway and will lose credibility on the left as a result. This is a very sad thing to watch.

    Further, those on here who seem content to stick their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the absolute loss of credibility that Respect has undergone in the eyes of most left activists need to think again. It cannot become a new mass party of the left because large sections of the left will not join it!

    Bob Crow is not going to lead his members into what is considered an embarrasing failed project and neither are any of the other awkward squad members – even Serwotka who is supposed to be a member will not publically call for activists in his trade union to join! This is not an organsation that is suddenly going to transform into a mass party of the left and comrades need to wake up to that fact and not waste their time participating in a tit for tat power play between Galloway and the SWP.

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  22. oh dear…

    respect is completely unattractive to any normal person, esp so now!

    as if respect branches around the land will be holding serious debate and discussion now! hardly any branches even exist!

    the two camps will limit any discussion and debate to their own supporters. in other words, the swp will have their own internal caucuses, and galloway, frances, yacoob etc. will hold their own inner circle discussions.

    the conference will just be supporters of either camp lined up to oppose each other before one side eventually walks out!

    ordinary respect members that are not in either camp are irrelevent, even more so now! they wont be delegates to conference. simple as. they wont have any meetings to intervene in, and even if they find one, they will be un-noticed amongst the factional warfare!

    there is nothing to intervene in. any serious left wing activists left respect ages ago, or they didn’t join it in the first place!

    as for the cpb! sr seem to be hoping for galloway to take full control of respect and to link up with the cpb, or a minority of them. this would make respect even less attractive! the swp are hated in the workers’ movement, but the cpb and galloway are not exactly popular either!

    a galloway / cpb / yacoob / ridley / frances etc. run respect would politically move even further to the right and be less democratic.

    for those who want to build something to the left of labour i think the rmt initiative offers the best hope. at least it will have the support of a 75,000 strong union! if this were to link up with other left trade unionists and maybe the cnwp and sp, a good core of activists would be pulled together. nothing will start out perfect, but at least it would have a solid class basis and strong roots in the union movement.

    anyway, who do sr support in this dispute? galloway or the swp???

    comradely,

    ks

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  23. A succesful renewal of Respect must surely be founded on the politics of pluralism, both within the party and in terms of its relation with others, individuals and organisations.

    The politics of pluralism cannot be limited to satisfying the political and organisation demands of the tiny forces of the Far Left. If Respect it to evolve into a participative political party founded on principles and practice of a prefigurative politiics the numbers and influence of the Far Left must decline within it rapidly. This means in the short term actually giving up positions of influence, or at least acting in such a way that enables others to take your place. Respect needs to become a broad party for Left-of-Labour opinion. With Labour moving so far to the right, including under Brown, this is in effect a social-democraticv organisation. Of course revolutiionar socialist ideas should be part of party debate but if they predominate it is the first sign of Respect’s failure, and its leadership’s lack of ambition.

    This is entirely different to suggesting that Respect should ape the organisation of parties trapped within the Westminster bubble. At its best Respect has stood up for principles and ideals entirely ignored by the Westminster bubble parties, and at least with some sections of the Muslim community reached out to those entirely neglected and unrepresented by the party, Labour, which traditionally would have both defended its interests and provided it with representatuon. This is the core of success that Respect must build on, particularly locally but as a national organisation too. Tyhis will only develop if Respect engages with a politics of participation, mixing experiences and values within the membership in a manner that encourages debate and learning from one another. At the same time it will need to find ways to engage with individuals and organisations which share a commitment to subverting the neo-liberal consensus and exploding the politics of the Westminster bubble. In short, the politics of pluralism not the politics of revolutionary socialism.

    Whether its the SWP, Socialist Resistance or perhaps if rumours are correct the Communist Party of Britain, if any or all of these organisation are incapable of loosening up their almost natural desire to lead, to organise, and sometimes control 9invariably in defence of their own interests) rather than facilitate Respects evolutrion into a party left-of-Labour rooted in communities and social movements then they will remain the problem, rather than the solution, If what you aspire to is a mass party of the revolutionary left and seriously expect Respect to fulfil that role then the vision, ambition and potential is seriously limited and flawed. If you cannot understand and accept that then you’re living in the world of your dreams, not of actually existing capitalism.

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  24. Tami,
    you haven’t read the most recent issues of the paper and you haven’t listened to Alan’s intro. The criticisms we make still stand and no one has any intention of “throwing their lot in with Galloway”.
    I think the essential difference here is on whether or not one feels that some revitalised left Labourism is a sufficient leadership for the working class. On this we seem to have drawn different conclusions.
    Is Respect’s credibility shot to pieces? Yes. Is GG a widely admired socialist leader? No. Will sections of Respect and the SWP be part of a regroupment on the anti-capitalist left? Yes.

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  25. I completely agree with MP

    Ks your coments are pure wishfull thinking, no one ever sucessfuly squares the SWP are most hated/biggest group on the left circle.

    Lets recognise that they are good at many things but that they need constructive help to correct their seige mentality internal culture. Most of which is a reaction to the endless capacity for sectarian stupidilty by much of the fragmented Britsh left.

    So everybodys got to change a bit!

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  26. I hate to emphasise the point but what is George Galloway’s position on lesbian and gay rights?

    No one has answered it from the Respectables.

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  27. Liam and I have been prone to pontificating on Sunday evenings in one or two East London watering holes for a number of years. I can certainly attest to the fact that he has spewed forth vitriol against both George Galloway and the SWP on many occasions, so I was intrigued and rather surprised when three weeks ago he informed us that he had seen the Galloway document about the future of Respect and that it echoed in large measure the critique of the organisation advanced Socialist Resistance/the International Socialist Group.

    Having read the Galloway document, I would have to say that Liam does himself and his publication something of an injustice. Galloway’s submission – and I will put to one side any cynical comment on his motives – is concerned almost exclusively with Respect’s organisational shortcomings and its inability to date to achieve any electoral success beyond a handful of local authorities and parliamentary constituencies. There is a whiff of the homophobic, I’m afraid, in his nigh obsessive discussion of Respect’s intervention into London’s Pride celebrations this past summer, while his remarks about the “Organising Fighting Unions” conference make no mention of the tightly stage-managed, undemocratic nature of the event but focus largely on the financial cost of staging it.

    I won’t go into the reply from the SWP Central Committee other than to say that from what I have witnessed personally and heard from others (not least Liam himself) that SWP full-timers have frequently acted as apologists for Galloway’s on and off-screen antics. In addition, they have both participated in dishonest demagogy an tactics bordering on outright intimidation to denounce and marginalise political opponents within Respect. Needless to say, there are certain rich ironies here.

    Obviously, Liam’s view is not simply a personal one and reflects the thinking which really does leave me mystified, as I cannot see what relationship the sudden (re)turn to Respect bears to the ‘eco-socialist’ turn against ‘savage capitalism’ outlined in a substantial document in the most recent issue of “Socialist Resistance”.

    I would certainly have some understanding of this turn if there were substantial evidence to suggest that the current crisis in Respect was about to trigger an organised reaction within the SWP against the Rees/German leadership. I have seen no such evidence, however, and I suspect if anything recent developments will lead to SWP loyalists rallying to their standard. Though in my estimation some of the most impressive active SWP members with whom I have worked have been those most sceptical about or opposed to the Respect project to the point where they have left the SWP.

    The other argument for a turn would, of course, be that the Galloway-sparked debate would suddenly attract new forces into Respect, presumably from within the existing left and labour movement. While I noted CPB secretary Rob Griffiths’ comments on the Labour Party, this is certainly not a sign that the CPB is about to join/enter Respect and the available evidence would point to a split within the CPB itself before that happened. Again, for Crow, the possibility of the RMT backing local candidates at next year’s GLA elections on the basis of opposing privatisation is a clear-cut alternative (for good or ill) to becoming embroiled in any fight in Respect.

    Just don’t see any of this myself and my honest fear is that Liam and his co-thinkers are heading into a nasty and not terribly useful row over an organisation that is currently on life support.

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  28. did galloway not vote for the respect policy? i presume he did and that he therefore suports full equality?

    i’m sure he and his swp backers have been more than happy to keep quiet about it though so as not to upset anyone! certainly they didn’t advertise it to the mab or the islamic scholars who backed yvonne ridley!

    i don’t suppose he raised the issue with saddam hussein and tariq aziz either! (or castro for that matter).

    did galloway once say there werent any gays in the middle east???

    so what is his record on this issue then? i’m sure there are plenty of galloway obsessives out there dying to tell us! don’t bring up missed parliamentary votes as this is boring old news!

    galloway is distrusted by the workers’ movement, and rightly so. he has consistantly opposed the war, but is that enough? sure he is well known and a great spe

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  29. did galloway not vote for the respect policy? i presume he did and that he therefore suports full equality?

    i’m sure he and his swp backers have been more than happy to keep quiet about it though so as not to upset anyone! certainly they didn’t advertise it to the mab or the islamic scholars who backed yvonne ridley!

    i don’t suppose he raised the issue with saddam hussein and tariq aziz either! (or castro for that matter).

    did galloway once say there werent any gays in the middle east???

    so what is his record on this issue then? i’m sure there are plenty of galloway obsessives out there dying to tell us! don’t bring up missed parliamentary votes as this is boring old news!

    galloway is distrusted by the workers’ movement, and rightly so. he has consistantly opposed the war, but is that enough? sure he is well known and a great speaker, but leader of the left?

    anyway, get stuck in!

    ks

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  30. Is Respect’s credibility shot to pieces? Yes. Is GG a widely admired socialist leader? No. Will sections of Respect and the SWP be part of a regroupment on the anti-capitalist left? Yes.

    Is Liam endorsing Galloway? No.

    I didn’t agree with the ISG’s involvement in RESPECT in the first place, but circumstances alter cases – and the present circumstances make RESPECT an interesting & potentially productive place to be. The point is not what Galloway & co stand for or even what they purport to stand for, but what openings they create.

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  31. “I hate to emphasise the point but what is George Galloway’s position on lesbian and gay rights?

    Galloway is actually fine on Gay rights, its abortion he is doggy on.

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  32. “The point is not what Galloway & co stand for or even what they purport to stand for, but what openings they create.”

    Mmmmm. Openings for whom exactly? Reactionaries? Homophobes? I think it is precisely the issue of what Galloway and co. stand for.

    Ok, if Galloway is actually fine on lesbian and gay rights then why on his website when he was explaining why he was standing against Fitzpatrick did he include, with all the nasties Fitzpatrick has voted for i.e. renewing Trident, war in Iraq and ID cards,
    “voted strongly in favour of gay rights”.

    Why include that with all the other stuff, does Galloway view it as bad thing Fitzpatrick voted strongly in favour of gay rights? Was it a mistake? If it was then it shows someone wasn’t cutting and pasting properly.

    But interestingly it has been taken off but no explanation why.

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  33. I thought it curious that he included support for equal rights for LGBT peeps in his list of why Fitzpatrick was a wrong ‘un when he announced his decision to stand against him on talksport. I have no reason to believe that there was anything sinister about this… but then again the whole Pride thing took up space in his letter to the SWP. Not sure what to think about it. Needs some elucidation…

    On the Greens — they’re not all bad, but the ecosocialists in the green party lack a class perspective. Saying that, Respect don’t talk much about socialism…

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  34. Openings for whom exactly? Reactionaries? Homophobes?

    Give it a rest. I loathe Galloway on several different levels, but his intervention – whatever its motives – has stirred things up in some interesting and potentially productive ways. Openings for whom? For people who want to build a party to the left of Labour and see RESPECT as a possible starting-point. I don’t share Liam’s opinion on that last point, but I respect his judgment.

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  35. i genuinely dont understand this.

    how has this mess created an oppening for socialists inside respect?

    is respect about to be flooded out with workers, youth?!

    do you mean opportunities as in a few swp members might leave the swp? i doubt v much that many swpers will want to join the isg even if they do split.

    anyway someone can maybe explain this oppening up and major opportunity to me.

    ks

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  36. Sorry Liam for cheekily and shamelessly plugging my own take on Respect but here it is if you want a look..

    http://stroppyblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/respect-things-can-only-get-better.html

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  37. I presume every one on here has at least seen there’s something of a discussion on the socialist unity blog as well?

    Just in case someone hasn’t who may be interested it’s here
    http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=740#comments

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  38. Louisefeminista is clearly on her own planet when she argues on her blog that all socialists should be in the Labour party.

    For a start, any socialists who have really made an impact have been expelled from Labour – Galloway over imperialism, Militant over trying to implement socialist policies at local government level. Tariq Ali famously applied to join Labour and was turned down.

    Do you seriously think that if the SWP applied to affiliate to Labour they would be accepted?

    She seems blind to the fact that the Labour Left has never been more marginalised in Labour at any point in history. If a train is going 5000 miles per hour in the wrong direction, trying to stop it by getting on board and jogging in the opposite shouting “stop” direction is not going to stop it – you need to get on better train or be in a position to eject the driver and take control of it yourself.

    The Labour Left are absolutely impotent to have any effect on Labour policy, their principle function is to give left cover to the right wing in Labour. You see it in the trade union movement with union leaders like Billy Hayes resisting joint action with other unions because he doesn’t want to rock the Brown boat, or Gilchrist calling off strike action in 2003 to not embarrass Tony Blair

    Can Louise name one single Labour policy change that has been won by the Labour Left?

    Louise’s quote from George Galloway’s website is a little disingenuous, especially as the bit about LGBT rights is no longer there (if it ever was? I have just looked on the entry on his standing against Kirkpatrick and couldn’t see anything). It seems that the section is cut ‘n’ pasted from the “How your MP voted on key issues” on the TheyWorkForYou website. It is obvious what happened was that whoever operated GGs website cut and paste the section without noticing the reference to LGBT rights which has now been removed.

    When a Labour MP, Galloway publicly supported the campaign to scrap Section 28, as a Respect MP he has publicly on his radio show spoken in support of LGBT rights.

    Out of interest, who are the “Labour Left”? It was noticeable that of the 12 Rebel Labour MPs who voted for an inquiry into the Iraq War – less than half were on the left of the party?

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  39. Adam: Eh, you can’t really identify the Labour Left just for their stance on the war. The two are not synonymous.
    Galloway’s website, well it was there and it has gone.

    I haven’t argued btw for the SWP to affiliate en masse to the LP. Now that would look very odd indeed.

    Btw comrade, a tip on your style of argument. Don’t put words into peoples mouths and twist what they say. It looks silly.

    Oh, and yes, the Labour Left may be weak but at least we have a more modest strategy than pinning our hopes on an unrealistic grouping which is beset with infighting, male ego and political instability.

    And Respect has an MP who is an unrelaible maverick answerable to no one other than himself.

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  40. Things look depressing for the left from whatever angle you look at it from, inside or outside the Labour Party.

    While I’m not a Labour Party member I can appreciate that dedicated, sincere socialist remain inside the party.

    However, I always find that while the close links between the union movement and Labour are constantly stressed on the internet I’ve rarely seen them in real life.

    For example, I can tell you in the last postal workers strike me and my mate were the only ones who visited picket lines and though we went to four sorting offices no-one from the Labour Party had been to visit the picket lines.

    It was the same with the pensions strike before that.

    To be honest, I wouldn’t have had the guts to tell posties striking against changes and a paycut implemented by a Labour government that what they need to do is join the Labour Party.

    In a solid Labour seat and overwhelmingly working-class area the local party has lost 90% of its members in the last few years, down from 1000 in the late 90’s. I have no interest in joining an organisation that appears to be dying.

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  41. On galloway and homophobia… this seems clear enough:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mZnMIa6UN0Y

    “It’s none of your business — it’s God’s business!”

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  42. I was having a chat with John Nicholson over the weekend, who you may recall was deputy leader of manchester council in the mid 1980s, when there really was a Labour left.

    he made the point that it is utterely ridiculous to look at the current labour party, because anyone who is still in it has either become so compromised with what they have gone along with, or is in the party for ideological reasons (Marxists stil operating on a previous understanding for example)

    I think Liam is completley correct, and Mark Perryman has explained very well why.

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  43. the link between labour and the unions is in reality a link between the tops of the union movement and labour. you never see any evidence of a link at the base.

    on a picket line you’re lucky to meet one person who admits being in labour. the one person is probably an entryist as well! i’ve never seen the labour left on any picket line apart from a few entryists (awl, appeal etc), and then they never openly try and recruit the workers to the lp.

    the number of trade unionists at the base who are labour party members must be v low now. those i’ve come across are blairites who want to be councillors or meps! i’m sure there are decent socialists as well but this is my experience.

    anyway, true the ‘link’ exists still. but the actual content of this ‘link’ is that the union tops use it to hold back the workers’ movement and the labour tops use it to try and contain the unions.

    the main point is that i dont see thousands of workers, trade unionists, youth etc. joining the labour party. true, they aren’t in respect either (and rightly so!).

    i think that if, and true it’s a big if, a serious pole of attraction in the form of a democratic socialist party uniting thousands of activists were to exist, then thousands of workers, trade unionists, youth, ex labour members etc. would join it.

    to become attractive it will need serious left wing figures from the unions to join, maybe whole unions to affiliate, and also to be open and democratic! not least it would need a left wing combative programme and not to engage in cuts and closures at any level of government.

    whether building a serious pole of attraction to the left of labour is more realistic than reclaiming labour is a matter for debate between socialists. currently i think it is more realistic to build something outside labour. maybe if every attempt is a failure and something major changes in the labour party i’ll rejoin it. but i just can’t see it.

    anyway, it’s a debate over strategy, and socialists inside and outside labour should be fraternal in their debates and work together on campaigns.

    comradely greetings to all,

    karl s

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  44. I hope that Andy and Liam (or others) keep a written diary
    after they re-enter Respect, then sometime later when it all implodes they can reflect on what happened and why

    it should be a laugh to watch people do another 180 degree turn,
    or find spurious justifications for in all

    it is not like they haven’t been forewarned?

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  45. “because anyone who is still in it has either become so compromised with what they have gone along with, or is in the party for ideological reasons (Marxists stil operating on a previous understanding for example)”

    That is one generalisation of people active in the LP. Sell-outs or entryists. I think it is a bit more complex than that.

    What I find hard to comprehend is that any criticism of Respect is met with defensiveness. A desire to keep quiet…? Funnily enough, the Labour left is open about criticism and certainly we don’t keep quiet.

    There is a massive crisis in the class struggle and now more than ever it is important to argue for socialist ideas.

    I wish there was more unity between socialists in and outside the LP. At least a chance of co-ordinating and working together over campaign issues i.e. re-building the anti-war movement as there may be an attack on Iran, and campaigning for troops out in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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  46. Louise: “What I find hard to comprehend is that any criticism of Respect is met with defensiveness. A desire to keep quiet…? the Labour left is open about criticism and certainly we don’t keep quiet.

    I don’t think you can characterise Liam, and even less myself, as people who have not been critical of Respect. :o)

    And i can’t think that the ultra defensive tone of many of the labour left during the McD campaign, for example on Dave Osler’s blog, really bears out the idea that criticicm was accepted in good spirit.

    The hard reality is that the social weight of the left is very weak both outside and inside the LP. Activists like me will never, ever join the Labour Party again. As I have pointed out before, out of the 50 or so stewards and lay activist in my union branch, there is not a single LP member.

    The mcD campaign was a water shed becasue it revealled starkly the impotence and irrelevence of the labour left, meanwhile the catastrophic course of Respect over the last two years – suppressing internal democracy, etc – have revealled how easy it is to squander a good beginning.

    The situation now is that Respect in its old form is simply not viable, but does contain within it a chunk of activists who do share the vision of a broad socialist party.

    If the log jam of the SWP’s hold on respect is removed then there is a chance to democraticaly debate how those assets can be used, and what direction we should go in.

    The question is whether the left can appeal to a broader base than are interested in any of the xisting alternatives. the large layer of former LP acttivists will never rejoin labour, especially after the McD leadership debacle, nor will they be attracted to being the foot sloggers for someone “united front of a special type” where the real decsions that matter are taken by a vanguard elsewhere.

    BUt perhaps something better can still be built, and Respect could be an important component of it.

    It is worth a try, as it is the best opportunity we have.

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  47. Duncan money: “For example, I can tell you in the last postal workers strike me and my mate were the only ones who visited picket lines and though we went to four sorting offices no-one from the Labour Party had been to visit the picket lines.”

    But during the recent PCS strike Tory councillors visited te picket lines in both Southhampton and swindon. (possibel elsewhere as well, but certinaly did in those two towns)

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  48. Phil: the present circumstances make RESPECT an interesting & potentially productive place to be.

    This is especially true for you Phil, asNorth Manchester Respect is not in the control of the SWP. (I understand the activists from South Mancs Respect have transfed to North,, as the South branch did nothing.)

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  49. Well Modernity like Napoleon used to say “on s’engage et puis on voit”. Loosely translated as “you get stuck in and then you see.” I’m used to disappointment but retain an optimistic disposition.
    The Manchester example is an interesting one. The branch there has a life of its own.
    I’ll try and persuade a comrade to briefly leave the pigeon lofts and whippet kennels to write something about it. It’s always so much more useful to discuss something on the basis of facts.

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  50. This is especially true for you Phil, asNorth Manchester Respect is not in the control of the SWP.

    I’ll look out for them. Unfortunately I’m more likely to have day-to-day contact with Student Respect, of whom I doubt this is true.

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  51. Phil: I’m more likely to have day-to-day contact with Student Respect, of whom I doubt this is true

    I think you may be wrong there, I understand the recent crop of SWP students in mancs are quite committed to Respect.

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  52. Going going, gone – how many Campaign Group MPs will there now be after the election with alan simpson, lynne jones retiring and Bob Wareing being deselected? Wareing’s statement is interesting – but why has he come to this conclusion only after deselection – is it because he sees no point being in Labour as an ordinary member? If so, why does Louise and Tami think they will have any more impact?

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  53. yes its the right striking blows against the remaining left

    ironically right entryists may have played a key role in this deselection (usdaw under orders to strike against the left?)

    the left should unite to help bob wareings campaign. take the opportunity to promote the idea of a new party of the left.

    karl s

    http://foranewleftparty.blogspot.com/

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  54. twp77 said:
    “Liam and the other SR members who are going back into Respect are making a conscious alliance with Galloway and will lose credibility on the left as a result. This is a very sad thing to watch.”

    who gives a shit? this is why the left is so poor at the moment. this isn’t some petty fight for who can get the most brownie points out of being in this or that organisation, this is about practicality and real organisation. go and talk about how RESPECT have no ‘credibility on the left’ in Bethnal Green with Galloway an MP, in Tower Hamlets where they have a huge immigrant workers electoral base, and the same in Preston, where they come second in nearly every ward, and win by a 52% majority in the most important ward, the Town Centre ward.

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  55. I just wanted to thank Mark Perryman for his comments. Honestly, it’s a big measure of how valuable this blog is that it’s one of the few places where someone with his deep and distinctive experiences can exchange with the fringes of Trotskyism. But it’s even more pleasing that his comments hit the tone perfectly, and clearly get a response. That really is a sign of the times.

    D.

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  56. Donald steady on with the sycophancy.

    Marcus let’s leave the gutter lanuage where it belongs.

    GG is my MP. I chaired meetings in my community centre at which he spoke during the election campaigns. He really wowed the audiences then which were mostly comprised of white, working class Labour voters. Now he is unelectable in the seat. Mainly because he’s been invisible in the constituency since Christmas. Now when his name get mentioned at our monthly estate meetings the same people who used to cheer him are very dismissive of him.
    I will leave it to others to point out some of the other gaping holes in your line of argument.

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  57. in Preston, where they come second in nearly every ward

    Apart from the Town Centre ward, they stood three candidates, two of whom came second. It’d be more accurate to say that there was no RESPECT candidate in “nearly every ward”.

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  58. Liam,

    I think we need a more ‘thank you’s on the left and more comradely and civil behaviour. Broadly speaking, you and your comrades are among the best in that regard.

    When you write that off as sycophancy, I know it’s an off-the-cuff comment but you’re also sending a signal about how acceptable civil behaviour is on the left. Mark, of course, comes from the ‘New Times’ tradition. It’s notable, and not accidental, that he’s commenting here, and that he is pitching in with a note that — perhaps deliberately — calibrate to where folk on this thread of comments are.

    I think it’s quite permissible to take extra thought to welcome comments like that; let’s spread the love.

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  59. Personally Liam, I’m planning to have ‘none the fucking wiser’ on my headstone. And my puzzlement with life in general applies particularly to your decision to rejoin Respect. I just don’t get it. At the SR meeting that you chaired a week or so ago, Alan stated the absolutely bleedin’ obvious when he said that Respect as it is currently constituted has no future. So why waste any more time with it?

    As far as I can understand it, your decision is based on your view that “George Galloway’s document has now opened up and legitimised several areas several previously taboo areas of debate. These include a strategic discussion on what sort of organisation Respect is; how does it try to give newly recruited members a political education; what sort of democratic and organisational structures does it need; should it continue as a party or a coalition.”

    I can’t see any evidence in George’s letter that he has any more interest in developing the political capacity of ordinary members or developing genuinely democratic structures and practices than when he was in bed with JR. And certainly the SWP’s CC documenty didn’t give any indication of a Road to Damascus conversion on their part. I don’t think either side in this dispute are interested in impemtening the sort of changes needed to make a real living democratic entity. George may have noticed that the SWP’s stranglehold on the organisation is choking it, but he clearly isn’t interested in the sort of grass roots led party we both want to see.

    Of the three options for Respect’s future you posit (split, uneasy compromise, or “an entirely new approach to building an alternative to Labour”) the third seems by far the most unlikely – not only is there no evidence at all to suggest it, we have all our past experience of both George and the SWP to suggest that it is the longest of long shots.

    Your hopeful suggestion that there is a possibility that the CPB might be interested ignores the fact that when Respect was fresh and new and looked as if it might have a real future the CP’s membership voted fairely decisively not to have anything to do with it. Why on earth should they want to now, when Respect has lost most of its members, when George is now far less credible and when there is a major split within the leadership? And of course we can be quite sure that the RMT wouldn’t touch Respect with a bargepole.

    Obviously I hope that your optimism turns out to be justified (although with the 20-20 vision of hindsight I think that the initiative was probably doomed to be stillborn when Monbiot withdrew his support). However, just in case things turn out closer to your options one or two, what’s Plan B?

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  60. Donald

    Come and make flattering comments on the Socialist Unity blog any time!

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  61. Donald. Thanks for the kind comments.

    The fact that myself as an individual should be attracted to the potential (ie I’m not presuming anything!) of Respect to renew itself as a left-of-Labour Party founded on a politics of pluralism, a prefigurative practice and centred on participation hardly matters.

    But what does matter is that there are many thousands more like me. Not members of tiny far left organisations, mostly independent, some with experience framed in other traditions (for myself unrepentant Gramscian EuroCommunist), many of whom will have been deterred by the politcal practice of campaigns and parties treated as front organisations by their Far Left organisers. What unites this audience is that we yearn for an effective, credible, way to challenge Labour from the Left.

    Politically I’ve more in common with Compass than the Campaign Group should the Labour Party have taken my fancy, but the point is, proved over and over again not least in the Trade Unions meekly surrendering the democratic rioghts of Labour Party conference, whatever the progressive agenda groups and individuals may favour for Labour there remain virtually no organisational means with which to entrench that agenda, the battle there has been well and truly lost.

    Respect, seen in this light, has huge potential as a Left-of-Labour Party, not I stress an amalgam of Far Left organisations, a ‘United Front of a Special Type’ (copyright: The SWP) or a front for the CPB. Whether it fulfils it will depend centrally on whether George Galloway’s document becomes the start of the process, or the end of it.

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  62. Right, the CPB membership voted a couple of years back not to get involved with Respect…

    But there’s been a failed leadership challenge; the Campaign Group is losing members; there’s been no major bust-up between the SWP and CPB in their collaboration in the STWC; the SP have campaigned for the formation of a new workers’ party; and there are more voices from the union leadership signalling discontent at New Labour and threatening disaffiliation…

    So, the CPB leadership is asking if Labour still constitutes a mass labour party… And the SP has been campaigning to form a new labour party… And the RMT leadership is looking into electoral politics…

    Surely the logical solution is to co-operate?

    Regroupment, how about that?

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  63. Phil, on September 19th, 2007 at 10:08 am Said:

    in Preston, where they come second in nearly every ward

    Apart from the Town Centre ward, they stood three candidates, two of whom came second. It’d be more accurate to say that there was no RESPECT candidate in “nearly every ward”.

    —————-
    Yes and no. There were two wards previously contested by Respect not up for election in 2007. Respect have come second and last in those wards (though with votes of over 20%). There are 21 wards in Preston, and Respect have contested five of them. It’d be more accurate to say that Respect have contested less than a quarter of wards in Preston, and have done pretty well in three/four of them. In the rest of the city, there is no Respect presence.

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  64. Minutes of National Respect Officers’ Meeting – 17 September 2007 available now on the Respect Supporters Blog at:

    http://respectuk.blogspot.com/

    Neil Williams
    Respect Supporters Blog

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  65. crap attendence at officers meeting

    interesting to note that they are thinking of approching other left parties.

    respect, galloway and the swp are so distrusted now that i find it hard to believe that the rmt or any labour lefts would go near them. maybe a post respect swp will start something else, but again, most likely their control freakery will ruin it regardless of the politics.

    i think more likely to suceed would be a new initiative. maybe some elements from respect would join this, can’t say though. i doubt the swp would seriously get involved – other than to attempt a take over at a later stage!

    hopefully a new initiative will attract such forces as to resist any swp wrecking tactics. if it attract serious numbers of activists then that should be a counter-weight.

    i notice that in greece where there are 2 large left parties in the elections (kke and syriza) the sek (swp in greece) stood on their own and got a crap vote as anti-capitalist. maybe if they were smaller in britain they would do something similar and equally ultra-left and pointless. maybe they’d go back to denouncing all electoral participation as reformist again.

    so anyway, got diverted… but id suggest that a new initiative is the way to go. rmt / cnwp / sp / other union lefts / labour lefts? would be a good potential.

    ks

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  66. I don’t want to be sectarian – there are lots of good SWP comrades – but I understand why people have misgivings about the SWP and Respect.

    This sounds promising however:

    “Bob Wareing is standing as an independent and has contacted John Rees to discuss this. It was agreed that a discussion about the wider left should be had at the Respect Conference and whether we should write an open letter to other left parties on this matter.” – from the minutes of teh National Respect Officers Meeting (http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=1571)

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  67. Great – you’re back in the fold. Don’t wimp out so quickly next time, and don’t assume that what’s happening in London is what’s happening everywhere else in the country. We’re trying to hold together a genuinely non sectarian democratic branch here in Bristol – with some success although nothing like as much as we’d like.

    As for ‘the only public criticism that Brown has received for inviting Thatcher to Downing Street was from a Tory MP’ – you should read the Daily Mirror who said pretty much the same as you did.

    I might even sign up to go to conference – could be interesting and doesn’t have to be a sectarian blood bath – does it?

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