There are a couple of articles in this week’s issue of Socialist Worker on the Respect split. They both have a delusional quality to them. The editorial is called “The political reasons for the division in Respect

It jumps straight into the historical parallel that has been on everyone’s lips because it is so obviously relevant on every level. In 1903 the Russian Mensheviks broke with the Bolsheviks, seemingly over the wording of a constitution and personal antagonism with Lenin. In reality the split centred on the Mensheviks’ retreat from the necessity of revolution.

…The split in Respect is no different from this historical pattern.

The non-SWP side are the Mensheviks and they have an explanation why pretty much all the active members of the National Council who are not in the SWP are not on their side

The presence of people with a track record on the left among those now resorting to red-baiting is not unusual.

Naturally we are all convinced that Britain is at the very centre of radical politics on the planet at the moment. This is where the 21st century’s most combative working class is blessed with the most farsighted and imaginative vanguard leadership. That’s why the SWP are the Bolsheviks and everyone else is a hopeless reformist just waiting to support the counter revolution when the time is right.

Fabricating parallels with the Russian Revolution only serves one purpose. It reassures the membership that they are the sole keepers of revolutionary truth. You can read the last few issues of Socialist Worker from cover to cover and not find out what the detailed facts of the split process were. There is no mention of George Galloway’s mild criticisms of the SWP’s methodology. You’ll see no attempt to explain why Respect’s real membership has been in decline. Bluster, distortion and presenting the SWP as the red-baited victims don’t really constitute a sophisticated counter-argument. The fact is that the vast majority of active Respect members not in the SWP’s orbit are willing to separate from them. Not just that. People who left Respect or dropped out of activity due to their frustration with the SWP’s techniques are now re-joining.

The other piece, What’s behind the crisis in Respect? by Alex Callinicos, takes a Europe wide look at the various class struggle formations. It is more sophisticated than the editorial but also refuses to deal with the critique of the SWP’s methodology. It evens throws away the opportunity to explain the SWP’s role in some of the countries to which it refers.

Right across Europe the radical left is in crisis.

The most extreme case is the Scottish Socialist Party, which has effectively collapsed since a faction within the leadership decided to drive Tommy Sheridan out.

The SWP’s part in that bit of history was significant but not referred to. Nor was the SWP’s way of working inside the SSP which also antagonised much of the organisation. Have a look at the video of Frances Curran talking about their feelings after the SSP split to get a sense of it.

Callinicos refers to Rifondazione Comunista’s very negative attitude to the was in Afghanistan and draws a general conclusion about the nature of the new parties.

In Italy the leadership of Rifondazione Comunista is participating in a centre left government that is trying to implement neoliberal policies and has committed troops to Nato’s occupation of Afghanistan

…the radical left parties are coalitions composed of distinct political forces often with very different traditions. This is an important part of their attraction, but it also makes them potentially fragile.

One way you can start to make these formations less fragile is by having a frank and open discussion about what their programme is. This is something that it not one of the dominant elements in the SWP’s tradition but the Italian experience vividly shows that unless the organisation is won to even a fairly minimal set of programmatic conditions on imperialism, collaboration with neo-liberal parties and an economic fight back the elements of the coalition will fragment. These were some of the issues that were sticking points for the LCR during the French elections and they were vindicated.

Attitudes to democratic decision-making and political accountability have proved to be very different. You can’t deny that. Some people prefer to have all the decisions made in advance by SWP caucuses and for democracy to be a formality and the rest of us don’t

The process of realigning the British left will continue despite the setback Respect has suffered. Yes but the SWP will not be part of that process under its current leadership. By bringing its brand of bureaucratic centralism into Respect it destroyed it. For several years to it will be absolutely impossible for the SWP to be trusted as an organisation by anyone who is committed to building an alternative to Labourism. The good news is that Respect Renewal will be the home for everyone else who is up for it.


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34 responses to “Respect split: it's just like the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks. Apparently.”

  1. it had to come?

    what dispute on the Far Left is complete without a reference to Russia?

    who is storming the Winter Palace? who has the keys to the Winter Palace?

    and above all, who is Kerensky?

    comrades, comrades, I think we should be told!

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  2. this just shows how thick the swp cc believe their membership are.

    maybe they are right to think this.

    ks

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  3. There’s potential in the idea though. Maybe someone could set up a website like those “what Simpsons character are you?”and “what sort of European are you?”, but this time based on the figures of 1917.

    Answer a series of multiple choice questions concerning revolutionary tactics (do you favour being underground; deep underground; open, or semi-clandestine? etc) and get a computer generated revolutionary identity. Cool.

    Simon

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  4. The Tower Hamlet Rat Avatar
    The Tower Hamlet Rat

    That’s the real question, isn’t it: why?

    Much has been written online about what the SWP camp have been up to, and what the Galloway camp have been up to. Less has been written about why each have acted in Leninist speeches about the importance of being a small advanced vanguard party.

    But, while the SWP decline to publish a membership figure, I believe this recruitment drive has not yielded a significant mass membership. And onlookers may observe that the SWP has weakened itself during its Respect ‘era’.

    This leads me to wonder whether the time has come to question the elements of the SWP CC’s sincerity when participating in electoral fronts.

    Socialist Alliance: Some electoral success, belief in a possible electoral breakthrough, and a split in which the SWP’s CC played an aggressive part.

    Scottish Socialist Party: Some electoral success, belief in a possible electoral breakthrough, and a split in which the SWP’s CC played an aggressive part.

    Respect: Some electoral success, belief in a possible electoral breakthrough, and a split in which the SWP’s CC played an aggressive part.

    A pattern emerges. So why? Why keep pulling together socialist and mass movement forces into electoral fronts, only to keep effectively pulling the plug?

    I understand and to a large extent agree with the revolutionary socialist analysis that reformism is doomed to failure, and that more revolutionary action is necessary for socialist advancement. However, in the case of the SWP’s CC: the precise action, and when it will be called, have yet to be specified.

    Yet this does not justify the effective sabotage of electoral socialism, nor does it do anything to suggest this benefits anyone but the capitalist establishment.

    The excuse of incompetence might convince people if you’re an ill-read establishment buffoon like Sir Ian Blair. But the SWP’s CC are more than once smarter, better educated, and politically experienced than the Chief of the Met.

    This excuse holds little water, as not even their enemies suspect them of stupidity. Therefore a new hypothosis as to why the SWP’s CC (coincidentally incredibly hostile to every so-called ‘conspiracy theorist’ alive) keep playing such prominent roles in the deaths of socialist electoral alliances and campaigns.

    Why?

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  5. How disgraceful to compare a bunch of renegades from socialism to the Mensheviks…

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  6. Liam – I’m afraid you pull a little trick that is disingenuous and not very convincing – insulting the SWP’s choice of historical reference to provide a context for understanding current disputes may amuse (and may even be accurate on your part insofar as saying that they are out of proportion or there are other useful historical analogies). However, they do not answer the argument inherent in the analogy – in this case, that organizational questions have political corollaries. That, I think is indisputable as a general point – and it is, in fact, the exact argument that you are making: the debates with the SWP about organizational questions in Respect, including their “control” are really about the SWP’s supposed political failings, in particular their formulation of a united front of a special type. Your present method of poking fun (silly SWP with their fetish for the Bolsheviks) – is, as you say about your opponents, not a particularly sophisticated counter-argument.

    “The fact is that the vast majority of active Respect members not in the SWP’s orbit are willing to separate from them. ”

    Um, stats, proof? The people on the blogs make all sorts of enormous claims about the masses in Respect fleeing from the SWP and towards the Renewal banner – and yet the only proof of such flocking are the assertions of less than 3 dozen blog commentators – frequently countered by people who say they disagree and claim not to be SWP (and who are often then called “sock puppets”, secret SWPers, etc.)

    Claims without proof may soothe the worried hearts of the bloggers but it won’t convince anyone else, or get them to follow you. People will go with their experience, which will be primarily on the ground and will have little relation to the blogs. You may mock the SWP’s petition – but it did get over 1100 signatures, which is more evidence of support than your side can show.

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  7. splinteredsunrise Avatar
    splinteredsunrise

    You mean the loyalty oath that SWP members were told to sign? You think that can be taken as an indication of support from the working class?

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  8. The loyalty oath still includes a non-existent SWP member from my branch, the majority of which did not sign. .

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  9. Canadien: citing 1100 signatures in support of the SWP position is utterly unconvincing. If that’s all the SWP can muster, when their membership are under a three-line whip to sign, then the crisis goes very deep indeed – in their own ranks as well as in Respect itself.

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  10. Every time the various levels of support are mentioned, the discussion turns to the SWP’s petition. Which is all fine and dandy, but does anyone in the Galloway camp have anything to back up their claims of support from Respect members for their split? Anything at all?

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  11. Interesting though that the 1100 signatures have not actually signed up that they are willing to continue to be active in Respect without Galloway or any allies.

    So do the SWP realy have 1100 actvists willing to continue with SWP-Respect, or do they have 1100 activists who regret that there is a slit?

    It isn’t quite the same thing.

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  12. Kris

    And your point is?

    Do you think that if there are more of you you can vote to force us to want to continue being subordinate to the SWP. Vote to force us to stay in the same orgsanitaioon as you?

    And part of the political disupate is that the SWP’s way of wirking has driven people out of Respect. So our test will be whetehr we can attact new people after the split, not whether we have them now.

    Let us judge te numbersin a years time, when we compare the relative successes of the two different courses.

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  13. Yes indeed, I suggest that we force you to remain members of Respect, against your clearly expressed will.

    Or rather, I think you should just be a bit more honest and straightforward about the fact that you’re splitting from Respect and setting up a new party.

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  14. Kris, it was Canadien who mentioned the SWP petition – I was replying to his post. I don’t know what level of support the Respect Renewal side has now, or will have in the future. As Andy has argued, time will tell. My point, which has been made elsewhere by other people, is a straightforward one – if the SWP, claiming around 6,000 members, can only mobilise 1,200 to sign their petition, then it’s not credible to cite the petition as evidence of their strength…..

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  15. Kris: I think you should just be a bit more honest and straightforward about the fact that you’re splitting from Respect and setting up a new party.

    BUt Tower hamlets is where Respect had an MP a dozen councillors and a quarter of the membership – so really that is where Resepct is.

    In Tower hamlets, it was the SWP who split, resigning the whip, having a press conference organised by SWP CC member, JOhn Rees, and have organised a public meeting with the rebel councillors not endorsed by TH respect, with SWP CC member Lindsay german ion the platform.

    So who has split from whom?

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  16. That’s what I mean, about being a bit more honest and straightforward about it. It’s difficult to have respect (yeah yeah) for people who leave a party and claim not to have. We’ve done it all to death, the ins and outs of each particular manoeuvre, here and elsewhere. You think the part belongs to its councillors and celebrity leaders, I think the party belongs to its members. As you say, we’ll see which is the better approach in time.

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  17. You think the part belongs to its councillors and celebrity leaders, I think the party belongs to its members.

    Here we go again. Correct me if I’m wrong – seriously; I’ve never been a member of a Leninist group, so I may be way off here – but I assume that being a member of the SWP involves a certain amount of discipline: if the leadership wants all members to build a particular event or vote a certain way, members need to have a pretty good reason not to do so. And I assume that a numerical majority – or at the very least a large plurality – of RESPECT members are also members of the SWP.

    If both those assumptions are right, what’s the practical difference between “RESPECT belongs to its members” and “RESPECT can be turned off and on at will by the SWP leadership”?

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  18. i suspect it will be the courts who decide who owns respects brand name. i doubt they will back the swp somehow.

    ks

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  19. Phil – you’re saying that you have a fundamental problem with the Respect model. Fine, again, that’s a legitimate argument, and one you can’t win within Respect, and so leaving to start a new party seems reasonable to me. Just be honest about it.

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  20. splinteredsunrise Avatar
    splinteredsunrise

    I suspect what Kris means is, Respect belongs to the SWP.

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  21. Yes indeed, as I am a sock puppet, and really a member of the SWP, pretending to be someone else. Luckily, this gives you the option of talking about that, rather than anything I say, which is handy for you.

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  22. Kris

    Your honesty is refresshing.

    In response to: And I assume that a numerical majority – or at the very least a large plurality – of RESPECT members are also members of the SWP. If both those assumptions are right, what’s the practical difference between “RESPECT belongs to its members” and “RESPECT can be turned off and on at will by the SWP leadership”?

    You say: again, that’s a legitimate argument, and one you can’t win within Respect

    By which if course you mean, that isn’t one we can win with the SWP.

    Of course we all know that after a face saving period the SWP are going to close down their part of Respect, hence the stuff in the IB about the changed context for broad parties, adaptation of rifondazione to the right etc.

    So the demand that GG et al start a new part witha different name is really just saying if you can’t control respect you would rather wreck it than see it succeed without you

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  23. I really wish I could say the same for you, Andy. But I can’t. Again, you’ve twisted what I’ve said, taken it out of context and replied assuming I’m something I’m not.

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  24. KrisS said: I really wish I could say the same for you, Andy. But I can’t. Again, you’ve twisted what I’ve said, taken it out of context and replied assuming I’m something I’m not.

    I’m only quoting you in full so you won’t whinge that I’m “twisting” what you’ve said or “taken it out of context”.

    Look at Andy’s previous reply to you: all he omitted was you saying Phil – you’re saying that you have a fundamental problem with the Respect model. Fine, Now how was omitting that of any significance for Andy’s answer? How does it set the context differently from anything in Andy’s answer?

    The only other words of yours that Andy didn’t quote, namely and so leaving to start a new party seems reasonable to me. Just be honest about it. are words that he addresses squarely nevertheless, by saying So the demand that GG et al start a new part witha different name is really just saying if you can’t control respect you would rather wreck it than see it succeed without you.

    So as far as I can see, you make your points, and then when someone refutes them you pretend they haven’t been answered at all, hoping that no-one would spoil their own lunch-break by going through the tedium of showing you up. Munch … yawn … munch.

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  25. Nice sarnie, babeuf? You want to be careful yawning while you’re eating though, something could go down the wrong way.

    By which if course you mean, that isn’t one we can win with the SWP.

    No, I mean it’s an argument you can’t win within Respect. You know you can’t, otherwise you’d be staying in Respect to win it. I know you can’t, because the Respect membership is making it clear that they disagree with you.

    Now, the proposition that an argument with the SWP can’t be won within Respect is not mine. It’s Andy’s (attributed to me, of course), which Phil seems to share, and I would guess that you do too, babeuf (and I’m not forgiving you for stealing the monicker I wanted to use).

    the demand that GG et al start a new part witha different name is really just saying if you can’t control respect you would rather wreck it than see it succeed without you.

    I’m not in a position to control or to wreck Respect.

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  26. Kris – Yeah, I wouldn’t feel so bad about the Renewal lot putting words into your mouth to argue against. Dishonesty is their method, after all. Here they are moving the goal posts all around the field: “oh we’re supported by the membership all right.” Hmmm, what about the petition with 1200 names? “Oh, see that shows how weak the SWP are.” Um, I wasn’t talking about the size of the SWP, I was talking about a petition of support for one side. “Oh, it’s just a loyalty oath.” Ok, so it was signed under duress – like a threat of jail or firing squad. How about the branches voting to send delegates to the original conference. “Oh, they’re all SWP.” How do you know that. “Because they’re supporting the original conference and the only people supporting the original conference are the SWP.”
    I look forward to the justifications re: last night’s meeting in Tower Hamlets – I’m sure that’ll be the same: they were all SWP, they were there under duress.

    Andy has thrown in a new slander: the swp will shut down Respect after a “face-saving” period based upon no evidence other than a cryptic reference to an SWP internal bulletin saying something about Rifondazione.

    It’s all blowing smoke and hand-waving to cover for the fact that they have nothing, not a stitch, to show “majority support” for their side. Not a signature, not a meeting, not a press conference, nothing except for an assault on Oliur Rahman and threatening e-mails against another comrade. Impressive Renewal indeed!

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  27. splinteredsunrise Avatar
    splinteredsunrise

    Of course, our chum is really in a position to preach about slander and dishonesty…

    And the IB article, coupled with Prof Callinicos’ latest, didn’t seem that cryptic to me.

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  28. OK, Kris, from the top.

    you’re saying that you have a fundamental problem with the Respect model.

    No, I’m not. I’m saying that for the leadership of one constituent organisation – any organisation – to be in a position to control RESPECT is a problem. It’s a problem that could have been foreseen, should have been avoided and could still be resolved, if the political will were there.

    In other words, what I’ve got a fundamental problem with is (a) a flaw in the RESPECT model and (b) the SWP leadership’s apparent determination to exploit this flaw.

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  29. splintered – claims about others are generally more convincing when you can back them up with evidence – otherwise that is slander. Thank you for the demonstration of how that works.

    As for your kremlinological analysis of Callinicos et al, it’s neither enlightening, nor interesting. You might next try reading chicken innards – that’s at least colourful and as accurate.

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  30. I’m not sure how that differs from what I said, Phil. How would the problem have been avoided and how could it be resolved?

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  31. a) Massive recruitment to RESPECT
    b) Failing that, mechanisms could be put in place to mitigate and counterweight the current dominance of the SWP. Like, say, the appointment of a National Organiser, accountable not to the NC but to a committee representing the full range of RESPECT’s internal currents.

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  32. Canadien

    Just out of interest, how long have you been in the IS, and have you ever been in the British SWP?

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  33. Galloway’s fan club question the SWP’s democratic credentials. But what about their great leader? How accountable has he ever been? Not so much when a member of the Labour Party. Point blank refused to throw his lot in with the hard left Campaign Group. Indeed, his his voting record was actually worse than many on the traditional right. Neither was he any more accountable while Respect’s one and only Member of Parliament. As a matter of fact, I can’t remember him making a single speech during his four years as a Respect MP at Westminster during any of the televised debates that were covered live, or reported on at considerable length by Channel 4 News, Newsnight or any other serious news program. Why on earth not? What
    kind of tribune of the people is this? The fifth highest “earning” MP,and does not exploit any of his many opportunties to use parliament to get the socialist message
    across and/or to publicise his party. What a tragic waste for the left. Might things improve now? Now that Galloway has
    liberated himself from Lindsey German, John Rees and the vast majority of Respect’s foot-soldiers? Fat chance.

    Thornett, Wrack, Hoveman, Loach and co will simply look the other way when Galloway, yet again, abuses the authority he gets from being an elected parliamentarian. Far from exploiting his elected office to strengthen the left, he will do the exact opposite. He intends to further curtail women’s right to control their own fertility. Thankfully, liberated from this albatross around their necks, Lindsey German and John Rees can be expected to remind
    the electorate of this highly pertinent fact. And the voters WILL be told that Respect has chosen to select candidates capable of opposing imperialism AND supporting women’s basic human rights.

    And not just women’s rights either. Galloway has made clear his intention to canvass for votes on the basis of his LACK of strong support for gay rights! He is clearly pandering to the constituency that rebelled against Respect’s democratically elected national secretary (John Rees) instructing ALL their elected politicians to prioritise Gay Pride. Respect will certainly see to it that Galloway’s coming out of the closet as a homophobe is given all the publicity it deserves. In particular, all lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgendered people will be told exactly why Galloway does not deserve their vote.

    Galloway wants to win votes by going to the Mosque to portray himself as a devout champion of Muslim women’s dress code. However, he simultaneously wants to pile on the votes by appealing to sexist pigs who thinks that women’s buttocks should be seen, and worshipped, but their mouths should be kept shut! Galloway considers it is tactically astute to boast about his voting for Kylie Minogue’s butt as “rear of the year!” Galloway has nothing but contempt for the voters. He thinks we are all too stupid to check everything he has said and done. Galloway will enter the Mosque to lie through his teeth. He will denounce those of
    us who remind Muslims what he writes in his Daily Record column, and how starkly this contrasts with his pious respect for women in the Mosque. Galloway will dismiss these revellations about what he really thinks of women by portraying himself as the victim of a conspiracy; that this is
    nothing but fabrication. Alas, poor George, he won’t get away with this deceipt.

    Galloway’s latest example of sexism surprises no one who caught his lamentable performances on reality television these last couple of years. When he was the guest host on ”
    Big Brothers’ Big Mouth” a few months back, Galloway refused to canvass support for Respect parliamentary candidate, and lifelong anti-war activist Carole. She was, apparently, too old and overweight, and possibly not good-looking enough for him. He made it abundantly clear that a women young enough to be his daughter (Channelle) would get his vote. Galloway could not be less interested in this young woman’s politics, or attitude to life (her
    ambition, by the way, was to become a soccer wag, because they get rich without having to do any work!)

    When Galloway had appeared previously on Celebrity Big Brother, he came across as an obnoxious bastard. He reduced his party to a laughing stock, by association. Now that he has walked away, Respect members no longer have to bite their tongues. Galloway was a total embarrasment on that show. And Rees, German and co should relish reminding all voters about this fact.

    Galloway bullied just about every woman on Celebrity Big Brother – including the only genuine friend he had, Rula Lenska, until he turned on her too, and for no discernible reason. Galloway reduced at least one young woman to tears, and expressed no remorse for this. When he
    was called to the diary room along with Preston, they were both punished; I have forgotten how or what for. As the pair were preparing to leave the diary room to meet their housemates, Preston indicated that he thought they should tell the others what had just happened. Galloway would have none of it. He told Preston to keep this between them; “the others did not need to know,”or words to that effect. On leaving the diary room, Galloway was taken aback to discover that the others had all been watching them on the
    plasma screen. His housemates realised from that point onward that Galloway had just conspired with Big Brother against the lot of them. While George thought he was being clever, Big Brother had just given him enough rope to hang himself, with his housemates and the viewing public watching this sorry spectacle. From that point on, Galloway cut a very longer figure in the Big Brother House. He had lost any prospects of developing reliable allies. Galloway had lost the respect of his housemates (no pun intended). Galloway became a legitimate figure of contempt for any socialist who had the stomache to keep watching that
    crap.

    Galloway came across as a particularly loathsome character. It became apparent to everyone that this is a man without friends, only interests. His behavior on that program was a disgrace from start to finish. And it is about time the SWP and the rest of Respect were open about how much damage this did to their party. But did Galloway learn his lesson? Absolutely not.

    Every anti-racist in Britain turned on Endemol and Channel 4 executives for their making loadsamoney from premium rate telephone calls, telling us that unless we donated large quantites of cash to their bank accounts, then we were
    responsible for doing nothing to stop racist bullying of Shilpa Shett. However, not George Galloway could not be found on the right side. On the contrary, he chose to appear on the national television to denounce the anti-racists for… bullying Jade Goody! Why did he do this? Not for the first time, Galloway was was a mouth for hire. As a self-publicist, George Galloway needs an agent. And he has chosen the same agent as racist moron Jade Goody. And the pair of them share the same agent as Matthew Wrght. The latter let Galloway and Goody appear on his show. He did this in order to abuse those who phoned in, or emailed in (as I did) to express our disgust with Endemol and Channel 4, and with Wright, for letting Goody appear on his show. Wright did this to help Goody get her career backon the road, so Galloway’s agent, and Matthew Wright’s agent could get
    10% of something more than nothing.

    It is not necessary to make anything up in order to discredit George Galloway. He has left a dirt-trail a mile wide, and the same goes for most of the leading figures in Respect Renewal. Galloway’s comeupance is long overdue. And the same goes for the rest of Respect Renewal. The gloves have to come off. Metaphorically speaking, of course; we can leave it to Galloway’s thugs (like Ian Donovan), and their apologists on the witchhunters’ various blogs to resort to actual physical assault. Socialists should use EVERYTHING we have to undermine this charlatan. And all those who bow down before the false messiah.

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  34. But while this may be true in general. Galloway’s record was never in dispute. So why did the SWP pretend he was something that he wasn’t then, cover up for the Big Brother debacle and brush over his opposition to women’s rights?

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