It’s easy enough to understand the philosophical and propaganda appeal of having an international demonstration on December 8th. There were mobilisations from New Zealand to Bangladesh and Dubai. From a practical point of view I’m not convinced it’s a winner. With or without global warming you can be pretty certain that the early December weather in London is going to be bad. Today it was really bad. For a good part of the day a heavy downpour was interrupted by moderate showers with intervals of light drizzle. So instead of feeling part of a global movement with an anti-capitalist potential you feel cold and wet. There were wide ranging estimates about the numbers. Some said 5000. Others said 15 000. However it was a pretty young demonstration with few organised contingents. The most tightly organised one seemed to be some anarchists who were playing musical instruments and wearing pink. That’s two reasons I wouldn’t be able to join them. On the issue of lifestyle politics, well done to the police officer who detained a man holding a placard with the slogan”veganism or else”. Though he did seem to be the unhealthiest and most malnourished person in the crowd and not much of an advert for the benefits eating lentils and paper, or whatever they subsist on.

I saw one union banner from the CWU and was assured that a UCU one had been sighted. This is clear proof that the labour movement is beginning”  to take the issue seriously.

It was the public launch of Respect’s new paper which was well received. The other Respect had produced placards and flyers which helpfully served as free advertising. They had a few CC-1.JPGbanners along as well, mostly carried by SWP members. This tends to suggest that the plan didn’t work out as intended. At this stage in Respect’s life SWP fulltimers shouldn’t need to be carrying its banners.

 The other thing which readers may wish to voice an opinion on is petitions. As aspirant demonstrators left the tube station they could have signed either the Socialist Party’s petition against climate change or its SWP twin. It’s a bit like a Catholic deciding which saint to pray to. Which would be the most efficacious? It was funny to see but sad as well.

You’ll have to look elsewhere for news of what the platform speakers said. The only comment I heard that stuck was when Caroline Lucas was introduced as “the next leader of the Green Party”.

The point about the timing of the demonstration is a serious one. To get big numbers on the streets people will need to be fairly confident that they won’t have a stinking cold or pneumonia the next day. What we can say is that this event was proof that a movement is developing and that the people it is attracting are finding and creating their own networks. The trade union conference next year has to be the starting point in getting the labour movement to see climate change as a working class issue. Thanks to Phil at Marxsite for the photos.

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14 responses to “London climate change demo and the agony of choice”

  1. Yeah, I have just written a small post about the demo on Socialist Unity. The weather was unbelievable, wet , cold, wet, and miserable and did I mention wet. So, UCU and CWU banners were there as I only spotted a Unison (Camden) banner.
    I spotted a couple of banners espousing the wonders of veganism (“become a vegan to save the earth”).

    Re: numbers I couldn’t tell so I usually wait to see what the cops say and what the SWP say and go for something in the middle….

    Oh, and I did buy a copy of the Respect paper.

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  2. Congratulations on getting the paper out and for keeping the old Resistance practice of missing bits out, makes it so tantalizing.

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  3. Further proof, if any were needed, that you Londoners are irredeemably soft. If you think yesterday’s bit of mild drizzle was bad you should have been at the Manchester Carnival against Climate Change on 30th June, where we endured what can only be described as a monsoon. The PA system was so waterlogged we had to resort to hand held megaphones for the rally at the end. And did we complain? Well, yes we did actually, but at least we had something to complain about!

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  4. Tis may seem a silly question but were there any labour party banners, and if not why not?

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  5. Just curious – was two dozen white middle aged socialists who’ve been around the left for ever really the sales team you were hoping for with your new paper? Hardly seems like the dynamic organisation you’ve been boasting about, but then it’ll be irrelevant pretty soon when half the RR tops are back in the Labour party and the RR ‘lefts’ are all in a flap.

    I thought the SWP/Respect banners went down very well. I think it’s a shame the SWP banners were so god damned ugly but I certainly think that the political climate on these demos has changed (no pun intended) over the past few years towards a more radical outlook and that has meant our politics have a much better reception.

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  6. Syme, this plan of producing great looking placards and well designed leaflets and hoping you build an organisation that way does not work. We know because we had to put up with it. In fact all the people I saw handing out Respect leaflets and placards were SWP members. That does suggest something.

    You essential point seems to be that an organisation that was formally launched last month didn’t have many new faces. See paragraph above.

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  7. by the way, my question bout LP banners was a real one.

    In formal terms the govt actually has policy about climate change, given we know there are at least the several hundred LRC comrades working in the party, plaus Socialist appeal, socialist action, uncle tom cobbleigh, et al. is there no possibility of getting LP banners out?

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  8. Yes it was wet so what? It made sense to time the demonstration in with the Climate change talks in Bali.

    But what does it take for people to come out on a demonstration of such importance? The turnout was an improvement, albeit only slight, from the previous two years but what is happenning here.

    In answer to previous contributors…no there were no Trade union banners or Labour party banners (who?) as far as I could see.

    The turnout should have been massive and needs to be. There is such huge potential for a massive movement on this issue because it is current, highly relevant and is not going away.So why was the turnout so low maybe 10,000?

    Most of the left put out a token presence. The two ‘respects’ appeared the same except on closer inspection it was clear who was who for those in the know.Clearly it is madness, utter stupidity for both organisations to continue with the same title.

    I havent got to read the new respect paper as it’s still drying off.

    I honestly dont think anyone on the left except Socialist resistence and Alliance for Green socialism are really taking this sitation at all seriously ,as all too often it is reduced to the issue of pollution or the environment and I dont think it fits comfortably within the narrow parameters of what are the all too familiar reductionist marxist interpretations of the like of SWP, Socialist party, CPGB, or Permenant revolution or workers power etc etc which are constructed to suit and justify their own parties existence.

    Like it or not any Socialism has to be sustenable in the context of the time we have got left before all the various ‘tipping points’ are reached and the longer terms consequences become unimaginable except they need to be imagined to stirr people into action.

    It’s time for a fundamental redefinition of Socialism and a clear articulation of what exactly is or could be eco-socialism, green socialism or sustainable socialism and we need to be build broad coalitions locally, regionally, nationally and internationally embracing reds and greens in order to develop a very clear comprehensive series of demands based on viable strategies for transformation and change of the present insane capitalist system.

    It really is Time for everyone to really wake up.

    It was a very lively and postiive demonstration but I dont see why just Greenpaece and Friends of the Earth on their own could bring out hundreds of thousands if they really pulled their fingers out.

    This turns upside down the old tired chestnut about preaching to the converted.

    Who are the converted here?

    10,000 rain drenched protestors on the streets of London with other demonstrations throughout the World, none of which seemd to have got much media coverage?

    Is it so much to ask just for one day? When in reality it has to be part of an every day struggle.

    Time to raise the roof.

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  9. I didnt see anything remotely looking like a Labour party ot trade union banner on what was a pitifullly small but a very lively, creative and imaginative youthful protest. There were also demonstrsations across the world in 50 other cities but it should have been a GLOBAL DAY OF ACTION OF MASSIVE proportions just as it needs to become a global movement of massive proportions to bring about urgent change and transformations of the absolutely insane and wholly unsustainable capitalist present.

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  10. I saw a couple of union banners, though I can’t now remember what they were. I do remember thinking “oh good, a couple of union banners”.

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  11. Andy, G String and Paris raise a valid point about the absence of Labour Party and Trade Union banners on Saturday’s demo. There has for a long time been a mutual distrust between environmentalists and the labour movement. Much of the trade union bureaucracy regard environmentalism as a threat to jobs. And the traditional orientation of the environmental movement has been towards ‘green’ small business. In order to bring about the ‘fundamental redefinition’ that G string advocates, we need to start to change this. We need to raise the profile of environmental issues, and particularly of climate change, within the labour movement and we need to reorient the environmental movement away from small business, which is a blind alley, and towards the working class. To this end, the Campaign against Climate Change will be hosting a trade union conference in ULU on Saturday 9th February (speakers include Matt Wrack, Mark Serwotka, Michael Meacher, John McDonnel) . If this conference is a success, we should see significantly more TU banners on the climate march next year. If you would like more details about the conference send me an email: roywilkes59@talktalk.net

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  12. Having read the intial post properly, the UCU and CWU both ring bells, so I guess they were the two I saw.

    There are plenty of photos of protests around the world on the Global Climate Campaign site. Is there anywhere I can find reports from these events?

    Anyway, my silly little report, for what it’s worth.

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  13. Glad to see you overcome the temptation of petty sectarianism, Kris.

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  14. As always, Phil. As always. I wouldn’t go taking it too seriously though. Surely better that than the screaming rant that was brewing in my head all day Saturday?

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