Sandwiched between Take That’s Rule the World and, a well loved favourite of many of this site’s readers, Heartbroken by T2 Ft Jodie Aysha The Pogues are number 8 in this week’s Top 40 with Fairytale Of New York. I’m unfamiliar with Ms Aysha’s oeuvre and have made a principle of never hearing anything by Take That. I’ve also made a point of avoiding Shane MacGowan’s live performances since a St. Patrick’s Night show about four years ago when he arrived almost two hours late and could barely speak. However, the last couple of Pogues’ London Christmas shows in Brixton are said to have been pretty decent and I am of a forgiving disposition. 

We are living in linguistically sensitive times. If you are unacquainted with the work of Boyzone it is your good fortune not to have heard their version of Fairytale. They replaced the phrase “you faggot” with “you’re haggard”. Radio One also briefly decided to drop the offending word and were supported by Peter Tatchell according to the BBC. You may wish to express a view on this. For me the song is a story set to music and you can no more excise the offensive words than you can remove the reference to being drunk without destroying the work. An analogy from cinema might make the point. Just because John Wayne often played characters who were hard drinking, violent right wingers didn’t mean that he was like that in real life.

The show was a pleasant surprise. On occasions MacGowan sounded like a karaoke drunk singing Pogues’ songs and at other times he seemed to be singing in an obscure central European language. The sight of him having to read lyrics of songs he wrote and has sung for twenty five years should have served as a caution to the younger audience members. There were moments when the old greatness was evident. You can see it dimly on the videos and in the crowd’s response. Jem Finer’s daughter Emma sang the female part in Fairytale and probably incurred the jealous wrath of all the women in the audience for being able to dance with the irresistible Shane. The finale was Fiesta and it got the whole crowd on its feet singing.

The audience has changed. It’s older of course. It also seemed less Irish. Real Pogues fans will be familiar with the DVD of the 1987 show at the Town and Country Club. I was there. That was at a time when listening to the Pogues was almost an anti-imperialist statement in itself. The audience was mainly younger, newly arrived migrants watching a great band at the peak of its powers and popularity while enjoying a chance to be assertively Irish. The band is still tight but its glory days are behind it, the audience has aged and there are not so many young migrants.

MacGowan was on stage for almost all of the show. There were a couple of interludes when Spider Stacey sang and Shane shambled off. In the old days it was never sure that he would return. Tonight he did every single time on cue. That’s progress.

And here is one of the finest songs ever written.

26 responses to “Five thousand homophobes cheer barely coherent alcoholic”

  1. What no one has mentioned is that Pogues’ guitarist Philip Chevron is gay. What kind of homophobic group would permit an openly gay member?

    What will the sluts say, I wonder?

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  2. I somehow fail to see the connection between the title and the text that follows ..

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  3. Andries I didn’t think it was that subtle. The Brixton Academy holds 5000 people. They all cheered Shane. Shane likes a drink more than most of us. Clear so far? Some people think his lyrics are homopphobic. See the BBC links provided. The power of music might turn the audience into crazed homophobes. Does that explain it any better?

    There is a house style that sometimes passes people by.

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  4. “…not so many young migrants”

    Where exactly did they place this glass box you sat in all night?

    “power of music might turn the audience into crazed homophobes”

    Thanks for my first laugh of the day!! Oh god.

    I will agree with you that he seems to be improving. Last year he sounded as though he was shouting into a bag. This time round he sounded pretty good and kept in tone (kinda!).

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  5. Which of his lyrics are homophobic? ‘Fairytale’ is sung MacGowan and McColl, each playing a character, immigrants to New York who came in hope of the American dream but wound up instead in the ‘drunk tank’ and fighting each other in the street. I see no reason why either performer, the author, or the audience would be taken to endorse their calling each other ‘scumbag’, ‘slut’, or ‘faggot’. It’s just like a play, isn’t it?

    So maybe the critics aren’t talking about ‘Fairytale’ specifically.

    What no one has mentioned is that Pogues’ guitarist Philip Chevron is gay.

    And apparently Chevron is a reasonably well-known gay rights activist.

    Radio One also briefly decided to drop the offending word and were supported by Peter Tatchell according to the BBC.

    Indeed. The BBC are always doing this: telling us that a person thinks or says something. This type of news reporting is arrogance of the worst kind. If a broadcaster wants to tell me someone thinks or says something, then broadcast the speech. I don’t trust the BBC to do my listening and interpretation for me.

    I’m unfamiliar with Ms Aysha’s oeuvre and have made a principle of never hearing anything by Take That.

    Good move.

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  6. “and have made a principle of never hearing anything by Take That”.

    Ah Liam, you just don’t what you are missing. Principles? Bah humbug!!

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  7. Pedantic I know but the show at the T&C was in 1988, not 1987. I was there too!
    My pedantry has a point that links in neatly though. On leaving that gig the audience were handed “Stop Clause 28” flyers with a picture of the Pogues.
    As has been said the lyrics tell a story, end of story.

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  8. I think there is some inconsistency here. First, Tatchell doesn’t really oppose as vehemently the term “slut” in the song. Secondly, this bleeping of a lyric that has been around and sung for donkeys years is strange.

    I’ve never particularly felt comfortable with the lyric and so I never sang the word.On the other hand it is clear that it’s being used in the context of derrogation so Tatchell is not being entirely disingenuous.

    I think Liam goes over the top in claiming that Tatchell is calling anyone who sings the lyric a homophobe. What he is doing is questioning the inconsistency with which certain derrogatory terms are more acceptable than others. Have a look at his Comment is Free pice in today’s Guardian.

    What I think Tatchell fails to understand is that one cannot remove this song from its context and as others have rightly pointed out, the term “faggot” was and probably still is an acceptable term of abuse for young Irish people to use. This is the issue, which involves the continuing acceptability of the word “faggot” as a term of abuse – not the lyric or song itself – which is reflecting this particular group of people as Liam correctly points out.

    However, let’s not dismiss what Tatchell says out of hand nor celebrate the fact that this term is still being used as a way of verbally abusing someone.

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  9. I think what is interesting, politically, is how Peter Tatchell has become a legitimate target for some people on the Left.

    it is not entirely coincidental that Peter Tatchell’s fall from grace coincided with his criticism of homophobia amongst key clerical leader such as al-Qaradawi

    and if tomorrow Peter Tatchell were to recant these criticisms then I am sure that there would be no more attacks on his other views, as if by magic!

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  10. The BBC has a proud tradition in banning pogues songs in the promotion of justice. I like to think that their ban on ‘Birmingham 6’ played a significant role in publicising the Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 campaigns amongst an audience who otherwise might not have heard of them.

    I’m not sure where they’re going with this ban, after they’ve been playing it repeatedly every year for thelast twenty years though.

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  11. Actually, although Tatchell has his idiosyncracies, I think he is generally impressive.

    I disagree with several of his opinions, but I have been impressed by his uncompromising commitment to opposing homophobia, without caring who he upsets; and also he is one of the bravest people. (although in particular some of his criticisms of homophobia may be unfounded).

    Taken in the round, he is a good progressive politician, even though he has got his negative aspects.

    He has also done a good job in Oxford, from what i gather, in terms of establishing himself as a locally rooted and camaigning left politician. I certainly wish him well at the next general election.

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  12. Let’s not analyse this to death. PLEASE! It’s just a few comments on a gig with an allusion to the type of minor controversy that helps the sales figures. I really can’t face moderating a huge row over Christmas.

    We can all agree that we don’t like homophobic or sexist language and it’s a tricky area when art, politics and prejudice meet.

    Let’s keep our knickers untwisted.

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  13. Liam – I am really jealous by the way as the last time I saw the Pogues was without Shane in Chicago in ’96!

    PS – Are we going to have a party at your place soon? I miss Mini-Me and Elvis 🙂

    PPS – Wasn’t the T&C in 1988 where Strummer played a few songs on stage with them before he replaced Shane?

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  14. We should still be thankful to the BBC for their idiotic sensitivity.

    In 1991, they removed Phil Collins’s “In the air tonight” from their playlists cos, um, some brown people were being killed in a foreign country, using smart weapons.

    The BBC did a big favour to us all, and millions of Iraqis thanked us for our sensitivity.

    Of course, Massive Attack renamed themselves as Massive during the slaughter. Which I will never forgive them for.

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  15. Let’s keep our knickers untwisted.

    Unless you’ve been deleting things before I’ve read them again, calm down; I don’t think any of the comments are analysing anything to death, or initiating any row requiring moderation, or ruining your Christmas. I hope not anyway. There’s little point in writing provacatively titled posts and then shutting down commentary made by its readers. This isn’t the ‘comicly misnamed Socialist Unity blog’ (nod VP).

    Newsflash. We’re all friends again now. We all agree on some things, and 2008 will be a year of socialist unity and success.

    Perhaps?

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  16. I’m amazed Shane Mac Gowan’s still alive given the state he’s in. He was such a nice quiet lad, sitting in the back of the car, when I gave him and the Pogues a lift from Heathrow back in the 80’s.
    Drink and Drugs are the curse of the music world, but then again, without them, it tends to be a bit boring.

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  17. The Pogues without alcohol would be like the Bolsheviks without Marxist theory……………..

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  18. PS – If anyone wants to join in there’s a group on Facebook trying to get the Fairytale of NY to number 1 for the first time:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20778141304&ref=mf

    Whatever you think about the word row it remains one of the best Christmas songs ever written. You can download a copy at iTunes to pump up the sales numbers if you wish as well. I’m going to download one – I think they deserve a number 1!

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  19. tonyc: “Of course, Massive Attack renamed themselves as Massive during the slaughter. Which I will never forgive them for”.

    Yeah, but they did make up for all that in their complete opposition to wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. And their 2003 gig at Brixton Academy (funny enough) was one anti-war spectacle.

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  20. I don’t know why Massive Attack renamed themselves ‘Massive’ – perhaps they weren’t too happy about the attack bit.

    So maybe forgiveness isn’t in it, perhaps you’re mistaken about motive.

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  21. “The Pogues without alcohol would be like the Bolsheviks without Marxist theory”

    When the Military Revolutionary Committee put the distilleries under lock and key and issued a ban on alcohol in 1917, presumably a Pogue Tendency would have argued for Rum, Sodomy and the Lash?

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  22. The Indefatigable Sprout Avatar
    The Indefatigable Sprout

    I don’t pay for (recorded) music myself, but for anything to be ‘Christmas number one’, other than the appalling reality TV ‘talent’, would be progress.

    EAT LEONA LEWIS

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  23. sally maclennane Avatar
    sally maclennane

    As for Shane and the lyric sheets, he used them for 1) Thousand Are Sailing, a song written and, for past decade, performed by Philip Chevron who is currently unable to tour due to illness; and 2) Transmetropolitan, a very long and wordy song which Shane has NOT performed live for at least 20 years.

    His memory is fine and younger audience members had no reason to take pause at the sight of the lyric sheets.

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  24. I get this when searching for cheerleading?
    wow.

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