Socialist Resistance is having something of a strategic discussion at the moment. The document below is a contribution to it. It was originally posted at Marxsite.

What kind of left for the 21st century?

Phil Hearse

Since the beginning of the decade important steps have been made in rebuilding the left internationally, following the working class defeats of the ’80s and ’90s and the negative impact of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Starting with the demonstrations against the World Trade Organisation conference in Seattle at the end of 1999, an important global justice movement emerged, which fed directly into the building of a massive anti-war movement that internationally dwarfed the anti-Vietnam war movement in the 1960s. These processes breathed fresh life into the left, as could be seen already at the Florence European Social Movement in 2002 where the presence of the Rifondazione Comunista and the tendencies of the far left was everywhere. In addition, the massive rebirth of the left and socialism in Latin America has fuelled these processes.

However unlike the regrowth and redefinition of the left symbolised by the years 1956 and 1968, in the first decade of the 21st century things were much more difficult objectively, with the working class mainly on the defensive. Multiple debates on orientation and strategy have started to sweep the international left, leading to a reconfiguration of the socialist movement in several countries.

Positive aspects of this process include historic events in Venezuela and Bolivia (with all their problems), the emergence of Die Linke – the Left party – in Germany, the Left Bloc in Portugal and indeed new left formations in many countries.

In other countries the left redefinitions have been decidedly mixed. For example the Sinistra Critica (Critical Left) went out of Rifondazione Comunista in Italy, over the fundamental question of the latter’s support for Italian participation in the Afghanistan war and neoliberal domestic policies. In Brazil a militant minority walked out of the Workers Party (PT) to found the Socialism and Liberty Party (PSOL), over the central question of the Lula government’s application of a neoliberal policy which made a mockery of the name of the party. This splits, for sure, represented a political clarification and an attempt to rescue and defend principled class struggle politics. But the evolution of the majority in both the PT and Rifondazione Comunista are of course massive defeats for the left.

So, in many countries debates are opening up about what kind of left we need in the 21st century. This is of course normal; each successive stage of the international class struggle, especially after world historic events of the type we have seen after 25 years of neoliberalism, poses the issue of socialist organisation anew. It is absurd to imagine that it is possible to take off the shelf wholesale texts written in Russia in 1902 or even 1917, and apply them in an unmediated way in 2007. Even less credible is the idea of taking the form of revolutionary organisation and politics appropriate for Minneapolis in 1937 and simply attempting to extrapolate it in a situation where revolutionary politics has been transformed by central new issues (of gender and the environment in particular); where the working class itself has been transformed in terms of its cultural level, geographical distribution and political and trade union organisation; and where the experience of mass social movements and the balance sheet of Stalinism (and social democracy) has radically reaffirmed the centrality of self-organisation and democracy at the heart of the revolutionary project.

As we shall discuss in more details below, it is now obvious that the models of political organisation and habits of engagement with the rest of the left, adopted by some self-proclaimed Trotskyist organisations (like Gerry Healy’s SLL-WRP) were strongly pressurised by third period Stalinism and organisational methods and assumptions inherited from the Stalinised Comintern. No section of British Trotskyism was entirely unaffected by this pressure.

Against this background the split in Respect might not seem too unusual. But there is something special about it, considered on an international level. While there were no principled questions of politics involved (as there were in Italy and Brazil), nevertheless the main revolutionary organisation involved, the SWP, managed to alienate almost the totality of others forces within the movement. This is a spectacularly unfavourable result for a revolutionary organisation and one that cannot be explained by the myth of an anti-socialist “witch-hunt”. Something much more fundamental in politics is involved.

Revolutionary Socialism and ‘broad left parties’

As noted above, the experience of building broad left parties internationally has been decidedly mixed; in some cases they have slid to the right and ended up supporting neoliberal governments. For some on the revolutionary left, what we might call the ‘clean hands and spotless banner’ tendency, this shows that attempts at political recomposition are a waste of time. Far better to just build your organisation, sell your paper, hold your meetings, criticise everyone else and maintain your own spotless banner. But underlying this simplistic approach is actually a deeply spontaneist conception of the revolutionary process. This generally takes the form of the idea that “under the pressure of events”, and after the revolutionary party has been “built”, the revolutionary party will finally link up with big sections of the working class. With this comforting idea under our belts we can be happy to be a very small (but well organised) minority and be sanguine about the strength of the right and indeed the far right.

In our view this simplistic “build the party” option is no longer operable; indeed it is irresponsible because it inevitably leaves the national political arena the exclusive terrain of the right. In the era of neoliberalism, without a mass base for revolutionary politics but with a huge base for militant opposition to the right, it seems to us self-evident the left has to get together, to organise its forces, to win new forces away from the social-liberal centre left, to contest elections and to raise the voice of an alternative in national politics. This is what has been so important about Die Linke, the Left Bloc, the Danish Red-Green Alliance and many others.

This was the importance of the Workers Party in Brazil and the Communist Re foundation in Italy at their height: that they articulated a significant national voice against neoli
beralism that would have been impossible for the small forces of the revolutionary left.

More than that: the very existence of these forces, at various stages, had an important impact on mass mobilisations and struggles – as for example Rifondazione Comunista did on mobilising the anti-war movement and the struggle against pension reform in Italy. The existence of a mass political alternative raises people’s horizons, remoralises them, brings socialism back onto political agendas, erects an obstacle to the domination of political discourses by different brands of neoliberalism and promotes the struggle. It also acts as a clearing house of political ideas in which the revolutionaries put their positions.

So with a broad left formation in existence everyone is a winner – not! No broad
left formation has been problem free. For revolutionaries these are usually coalitions with forces to their political right. They are generally centres of permanent political debate and disagreement, and they pose major questions of political functioning for revolutionary forces, especially those used to a strong propaganda routine. They inevitably involve compromises and difficult judgements about where to draw political divides.

What an orientation towards political regroupment of the left does not involve is a fetishisation of a particular political structure, or the idea that broad left parties are the new form of revolutionary party, or the notion that these parties will necessarily last for decades. For us they are interim and transitional forms of organisation (but see the qualification of this below). Our goal remains that of building revolutionary parties. It’s just that, as against the ‘clean hands and spotless banner’ tendency, we have a major disagreement about what revolutionary parties, in the 21st century, will look like – and how to build them.

The functioning of revolutionaries in broad left parties

Broad left parties (or alliances) are not united fronts around specific questions, but political blocs. For them to develop and keep their unity, they have to function according to basic democratic rules. However this cannot be reduced to the simplistic notion that there are votes and the majority rules. This leaves out of account the anomalies and anti-democratic practices which the existence of organised revolutionary currents can give rise to if they operate in a factional way. On this we would advance the following general guidelines:

  • Inside broad left formations there has to be a real, autonomous political life in which people who are not members of an organised current can have confidence that decisions are not being made behind their backs in a disciplined caucus that will impose its views – they have to be confident that their contribution can affect political debates.
  • This means that no revolutionary current can have the ‘disciplined Phalanx’ concept of operation. Except in the case of the degeneration of a broad left current (as in Brazil) we are not doing entry work or fighting a bureaucratic leadership. This means in most debates, most of the time, members of political currents should have the right to express their own viewpoint irrespective of the majority view in their own current. If this doesn’t happen the real balance of opinion is obscured and democracy negated. Evidently this shouldn’t be the case on decisive questions of the interest of the working class and oppressed – like sending troops to Afghanistan. But if there are differences on issues like that, then membership of a revolutionary current is put in question.
  • Revolutionary tendencies should avoid like the plague attempts to use their organisational weight to impose decisions against everyone else. That’s a disastrous mode of operation in which democracy is a fake. If a revolutionary tendency can’t win its opinions in open and democratic debate, unless it involves fundamental questions of the interest of the working class and oppressed, compromises and concessions have to be made. Democracy is a fake if a revolutionary current says ‘debate is OK, and we’ll pack meetings to ensure we win it’.
  • Revolutionaries – individuals and currents – have to demonstrate their commitment and loyalty to the broad left formation of which they are a part. That means prioritising the activities and press of the broad formation itself. Half in, half out, doesn’t work.
  • We should put no a priori limits on the evolution of a broad left formation. Its evolution will be determined by how it responds to the major questions in the fight against imperialism and neoliberal capitalism, not by putting a 1930s label on it (like ‘centrism’).
  • The example of the PSoL in Brazil shows it is perfectly possible to function as a broad socialist party with several organised militant socialist currents within it. The precondition of giving organised currents the right to operate within a broad party is that they do not circumvent the rights of the members who are not members of organised currents.

One can also imagine vital strategic and sometimes important tactical questions on which a democratic centralist organisation might want its members all to vote the same way. But these should be exceptional circumstances and not the norm. In practice, of course, on most questions most of the time members of revolutionary tendencies would tend to have similar positions.

The SWP’s ‘democratic centralism’ – national and international

Readers will note that the above series of considerations is exactly how the SWP did not function in Respect. It is a commonplace that those who function in factional and bureaucratic ways in the broader movement generally operate tin pot regimes at home. There are strong reasons for thinking that the version of ‘democratic centralism’ operated by the SWP is undemocratic. This is not just a matter of rules and the constitution, but there are problems there as well.

  • Decision-making in the SWP is concentrated in an extremely small group of people. The SWP Central Committee is around people, a very small number given the size of the organisation. Effective decision making is concentrated in three or four people within that.
  • Political minorities are denied access to the CC. At the January 2006 conference of the SWP long-time SWP member John Molyneaux put forward a position criticising the line of the leadership, but his candidacy for the CC was rejected because it would “add nothing” to CC discussions.
  • Tendencies and factions can only exist during pre-confer
    ence periods. This effectively makes them extremely difficult to organise. In any case, political debates and issues are not confined the SWP leadership’s internal timetable.

  • There is no real internal bulletin and little internal political discussion outside of pre-conference period. Real discussion is concentrated at the top.
  • As the expulsions of Nick Wrack, Rob Hoveman and Kevin Ovenden show, the disciplinary procedure is arbitrary and can be effected by the CC with no due process or hearing in which the accused can put their case.

In his contribution to the SWP’s pre-conference bulletin John Molyneaux said:

“…the nature of the problem can most clearly be seen if we look at the outcome of all these meetings, councils, conferences, elections, etc. The fact is that in the last 15 years perhaps longer) there has not been a single substantial issue on which the CC has been defeated at a conference or party council or NC. Indeed I don’t think that in this period there has ever been even a serious challenge or a close vote. On the contrary, the overwhelming majority of conference or council sessions have ended with the virtually unanimous endorsement of whatever is proposed by the leadership. Similarly, in this period there has never been a contested election for the CC: ie, not one comrade has ever been proposed or proposed themselves for the CC other than those nominated by the CC themselves. It is worth emphasising that such a state of affairs is a long way from the norm in the history of the socialist movement. It was not the norm in the Bolshevik Party or the Communist International. before its Stalinisation. It was not the norm at any point in the Trotskyist tradition under Trotsky.”

John Molyneaux put all this down to the nature of the period and the low level of the class struggle in the 1980s and 1990s. It is from obvious that this is true. Its root cause is the conception of ‘democratic’ centralism that the SWP have.

We could note at this point that the SWP’s internal regime is the polar opposite of that of a similarly sized, but much more influential, organisation, the LCR in France, where the organisation of minorities and their incorporation in the leadership is normal. In fact the SWP’s supporters in France have gone into the LCR and form a…permanent faction, Socialism Par en Bas (SPEB) that would of course be banned inside the SWP itself!

Equally the functioning of the international tendency that the SWP dominates – the IST – is dominated by a notion of ‘international democratic centralism’ in which the SWP takes upon itself the right to boss other ‘sections’ around, down to the smallest, detailed tactic. This, unsurprisingly, results in splits with any organisation that develops an autonomous leadership with a minimum of self-respect. So for example the SWP split on no principled basis at all with its Greek and US sections in 2003 – expulsions that were carried out by the Central Committee of the SWP, and only confirmed as an afterthought by a hastily-summoned meeting of the IST.

There is an irony in all this. Up until the late 1960s the International Socialists – precursor organisation of the SWP – maintained a sharp critique of ‘orthodox Trotskyism’, not least in regard to its organisational methods. IS members tended to see Leninism as being, at least in part, ‘responsible’ for Stalinism, and instead counterposed ‘Luxemburgism’ against ‘toy Bolshevism’. After the May-June events in France, Tony Cliff adopted Leninism and wrote a three-volume biography of Lenin to justify this. The irony consists in the fact that the version of Leninism that Cliff adopted became, over time, clearly marked by the bowdlerised version of Leninism that the IS originally rejected.

Opposed conceptions of the left

There is a false conception of the configuration of the workers movement and the left, a misreading of ideas from the 1930s, that is common in some sections of the Trotskyist movement. This ‘map’ sees basically the working class and its trade unions, the reformists (Stalinists), various forms of ‘centrism’ (tendencies which vacillate between reform and revolution) and the revolutionary marxists – with maybe the anarchists as a complicating factor. On the basis of this kind of map, Trotsky could say in 1938 “There is no revolutionary tendency worthy of the name on the face of the earth outside the Fourth International (ie the revolutionary marxists – ed)”.

If this idea was ever operable, it is certainly not today. The forms of the emergence of mass anti-capitalism and rejection of Stalinism and social democracy has thrown up a cacophony of social movements and social justice organisations, as well as a huge array of militant left political forces internationally. This poses new and complex tasks of organising and cohering the anti-capitalist left. And this cannot be done by building a small international current that regards itself as the unique depository of Marxist truth and regards itself as capable of giving the correct answer on every question, in every part of the planet (in one of its most caricatured forms, by publishing a paper that looks suspiciously like Socialist Worker and aping every tactical turn of the British SWP).

The self definition of the Fourth International and Socialist Resistance is very different to that. We have our own ideas and political traditions, some of which we see as essential. But we want to help refound the left, together with others, incorporating the decisive lessons of feminism and environmentalism, in a dialogue with other anti-capitalists and militant leftists. One that doesn’t start by assuming that we are correct about everything, all-knowing and have nothing to learn, especially from crucial new revolutionary experiences like the Bolivarian revolution in Venezuela.

Today the ‘thin red line of Bolshevism’ conception of revolutionary politics doesn’t work. This idea often prioritises formal programmatic agreement, sometimes on arcane or secondary questions, above the realities of organisation and class struggle on the ground. And it systematically leads to artificially counterposing yourself to every other force on the left.

Against this template, the SWP is Neanderthal, a particular variant of the dogmatic-sectarian propagandist tradition that has been so dominant in Britain since the early 20th century. It is time that its members demanded a rethink.

Postscript: ‘Leninism’

In his interview on Leninism in International Viewpoint, Daniel Bensaid points out that the word itself emerged only after the death of Lenin, as part of a campaign to brutally ‘Bolshevise’ the parties of the Comintern – ie subordinate them to the Soviet leadership.

For us the name, the word, is unimportant. What is important is to incorporate what is relevant today in the thinking of great socialist thinkers like Lenin, Trotsky, Luxemburg and Gramsci. Lenin was far from being a dogmatist on organisational forms; from him we retain major aspects of his theoretical conquests on imperialism and national self-determination, the self-organisation of the working class, the notions of revolutionary crisis and strategy, and his critique of the bureaucracy in the workers movement and social democratic reformism.

All these great thinkers were prepared to change their forms of organisation to suit the circumstances; the unity of revolutionary tendencies is not guaranteed by organisational forms, but by programme and a shared vision of the revolutionary process. Thus we reject the idea that by our ideas about left regroupment we are ‘abandoning Leninism’, any more than we are abandoning Trotskyism or what is relevant in the ideas of Rosa Luxemburg. What we are abandoning, indeed have long abandoned, is the template method that sees Leninism as a distinct set of unvarying organisational forms.
We repeat: some of these organisational forms, including a monopoly of decision-making by a tiny central group with special privileges (often of secret information and un-minuted discussion) – came from a beleaguered Trotskyist movement, that inherited many of its organisational forms wholesale from the Stalinised Communist International.

You can’t understand the Healy movement without the Communist Party of Great Britain or the French ‘Lambertists’ without the immense pressure of the French Communist Party.

The brutal ‘Leninism’ of the Communist Parties and the importation of aspects of its practices into the dogmatic-sectarian Trotskyist organisations we do indeed repudiate.

1 November 2007

This is a reference to the American Socialist Workers Party, which played a central role in the Teamster Rebellion in Minneapolis in 1937-8. The US SWP led by James P. Cannon had a massive impact on British Trotskyism, not least through Cannon’s organisational textbooks The Struggle for a Proletarian Party and History of American Trotskyism.

36 responses to “Democratic Centralism and Broad Left Parties”

  1. I see Salma Yaqoob – as “Respect vice-char”, so called – has signed up to support Ken “scab on the RMT but back Iain blair” Livingstone in the London mayor elections.

    details here
    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/open_letter/2008/01/supporting_ken_livingstone_as.html

    That a democratic decision of Respect Renewal, was it?

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  2. oh, and if you are going to follow the disgraceful practice of putting another socialist organisation’s internal documents online, you might at least specify which year they are from in the interests of political honesty…

    I once had some respect, no pun intended, for members of your organisation, Liam. But the kind of drivel in this post shows respect is no longer deserved.

    sad.

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  3. All of this just to conclude that the long history of Trotskyite sectarianism is the fault of…. the communists.

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  4. Perhaps I’m not paying attention, ‘oh dear’, but which other organisation’s internal documents have been put on line here?

    This is quite aside from whether it is ‘disgraceful’ to do so.

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  5. Yes, Lobby, you aren’t paying attention. The only reference to the leaking of internal documents placed the apostrophe in the place that made clear that a single organisation was being referred to. Leaving aside your inability to read, how do you justify leaking internal documents of the SWP? How do you come by these documents? Do you have a policy of organising entryists in the SWP? Is this disgraceful or isn’t it?

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  6. I think Phil’s post is very interesting especially how he sees the discussion developing and taking these ideas forward.

    Oh Dear…. what can the matter be? Is it cos you expect everyone else out there to be bound by the SWP’s discipline? So what if IB’s are thrust into public domain, what’s wrong with a bit of public scrutiny? I mean, I’d thought you would be into a bit of openess and transparency…..

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  7. oh dear, no one who reads this site, myself included, has any idea who you are, where you are, your political history or affiliation. Unless you raise your intellectual game there is no reason for us to care either. As for Salma and Livingstone I’ve already posted a piece arguing that he is unsupportable.

    Tom, I admire your courage reappearing so soon after misjudging the French smoking business. What’s your point about internal documents? I’ve just put one of our online. So what? Politics is a thing to be discussed in the open. It’s not the preserve of an initiated elite.

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  8. JM’s words taken from the unreal internal bulletin. Did you ask him if he minded appearing in this strange article?

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  9. A pedant writes: everyone knows the Minneapolis Teamster Rebellion was in 1934 not 1937-8, do try to be accurate my young Trotskyist friends.

    Molyneaux’s IB comments are already in the public domain – published by Weekly Worker way back when. As they are already in the public domain it would seem odd to pretend it doesn’t exist. I would really like clarification on why publishing internal documents is ‘disgraceful’ or even just unethical. Is it a matter of intellectual property rights? Are there double standards – if Labour Party internal documents were published without permission would that be unethical?

    Meanwhile – it is an interesting piece by Hearse and i’m glad it gets discussed. I agree with a lot, but there’s a danger of being one-sided and over-critical of the SWP, no matter how disgraceful their behaviour in the break-up of Respect has been. I don’t think a ‘Neanderthal… dogmatic-sectarian propagandist’ organisation could have played the very postive role in setting up and building the Stop the War coalition, or indeed Respect. give credit where it is due: the SWP simply is not the WRP.

    And stop the crass misuse of ‘Neanderthal’ as a temr of abuse.

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  10. anticapitalista Avatar
    anticapitalista

    Any chance of publishing the internal documents of Socialist Resistance, or Respect Renewal?
    After all, “Politics is a thing to be discussed in the open. It’s not the preserve of an initiated elite.”

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  11. anticapitalista Avatar
    anticapitalista

    I should add to my post above, ‘new’ or ‘genuine’ internal documents, not ones already 3 months old.

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  12. anticapitalista Avatar
    anticapitalista

    BTW:
    The Greek section of the IST demanded the expulsion of the US ISO much more vociferously than the SWPCC. The SWP did not split at all with its Greek section. There was a split in the Greek SEK, with the minority deciding to leave just before the SEK conference (sounds familiar eh). At its founding/launcing rally/conference the US ISO sent a CC member to welcome it. No surprise that the ISO was expelled from the IST.

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  13. Liam, you are right that backing Livingstone is unsupportable. But apparently you have nothing to say about RR leading light Salma Yaqoob backing him in public, although you too are in RR… and you don’t want to comment on whether Salma’s move was decided democratically…

    …because I need to raise my intellectual game before you do that?!

    Eh? Time to get a grip, mate.

    ps, who I am etc is really not very relevant. I’m not a big mover and shaker and I’m not into personality politics. Maybe it’s because I’m not a blogger, but I’m not all that self-important… It is probably relevant that – unlike Salma – I am a London resident, though.

    And once upon a time I used to have easy access to internal ISG documents, but I would never have dreamed of putting them into public circulation although I was never a member of the ISG.

    But see if you can address the substantive point about Salma’s backing for Ken. Otherwise we might all think your intellectual game needs raising 😉

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  14. who I am etc is really not very relevant. I’m not a big mover and shaker and I’m not into personality politics

    I guess in that case you won’t mind us assuming that you’re the same person as Tom, margo and anticapitalista (although presumably not Lobby Ludd, considering that he/she’s arguing with you). Or that you’re all a 14-year-old boy called Neville.

    Identity matters because credibility matters. Post under your own name and you can be held to what you’ve said. Post under a meaningless pseudonym and you can say what you like, with no comebacks and no responsibility.

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  15. Phil, I don’t mind you assuming whatever you like about my identity.

    I don’t mind repeating myself either:
    But see if you can address the substantive point about Salma’s backing for Ken. Otherwise we might all think your intellectual game needs raising

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  16. Meanwhile, back to what little politics there is in the article, which could be summarised as “The SWP are nasty people and there are too many of them. ” How does this ‘launch a discussion’? Are there members of SR who disagree with that?

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  17. In line with what chjh asks – is there anyone in SR who opposes what SR has done by going into Respect Renewal?

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  18. Tami, there may be but our famously ruthless and brutal iron discipline has, to my knowledge, stopped them saying anything in public. Or in private. Or in e mails. Or in documents.

    As far as I know there were some tactical differences a few months ago but no one has made a case for staying with the SWP’s branch. God knows lots of us tried for quite a while.

    There are practical issues in (the few) towns which have a viable and functioning Respect branch and there are not many RR supporters. Real life will sort these out in the next few months.

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  19. Ok thanks – nice new photo by the way!

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  20. As a long-time IST member it is obvious to me EVERYTHING Hearse think he knows about the practical relationship between the SWP and fraternal organizations abroad is either plainly wrong or heavily skewed. I’m no expert when it comes to the left in Britain, but why should I believe this ill-informed person?

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  21. Stylegar – one of your ex-members on here was unaware that the Fourth International had ever published anything by the SWP(UK). That does not say much for the internal culture and education within the SWP to rank and file members about the most significant revolutionary socialist organisation in the world. My own experience with R&F SWP members is that they tend to glaze over when one talks about the tactical differences between revolutionary organisations in different countries and no very little about the views of even their fellow IST sections. Some SWP members were horrified that the New Zealand IST section had put forward a view about the Respect split and saw it as not appropriate.

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  22. I tend to get anxious when someone advances rules of thumb as principles. I say that because there’s always context and,in the final instance, the right of ‘members'(whether they be of currents within broad formations or within broad formations themselves) to decide the course they want to follow..

    If you begin your engagement with the supposition that ‘democratic centralism’ is going to be a problem, then it will be.Better I think to get to work and do stuff — together and in partnership — and work out those relationships in the living struggle.

    While I recognise the spectre of SWP style phalanx interventions, and the bad taste that generates, I don’t think it follows that the far left orgs have to be on the back foot and excuse their presence some how. Ultimately anyone else is still going to decide their opinion on the basis of what you do day in day out rather than what you’ll say you’ll do. No amount of mirrors or distractions will change the primary impact of that core living party activity.

    It’s about what you bring to the table and if you come bearing whatever — then you have just as much right to be there as anyone else.

    The main point everyone has to recognise is that if anyone (and I mean “anyone” — aligned or non aligned) indulges in practices that circumvent the democratic trajectory of the project then the formation’s trajectory is cheapened as a consequence.

    So I think Phil Hearse’s take is a little skew whiff. I recognise the situation there in England but in the final instance the challenge is one of fostering & practicing good will while proving day to day how much you too are committed to the project.

    Because if, as a ‘revolutionary current’, you cannot assert your own right to exist and function as you chose to, then the pressure will be relentless to dissolve or merge into the rest of the formation such that whether you continue to exist becomes a distraction from what the broad formation actually does or achieves. The debate becomes a stalemated aligned vs non aligned broken record divorced from the political activity. being generated.

    And later on when other formations sign on with the project — what then? Do you similarly impose the same rules of thumb on a migrant association or trade union or a political org in exile? So why guideline the “democratic centralists’ any differently from other ‘currents’ that may be in the mix.

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  23. Prinkipo: It’s also quite bizarre how SWP supporters greet any article, such as the one above, that is critical of them with the refrain, “But there’s no politics in it, just an anti-SWP rant.” The SWP leadership seems to project a self serving definition of what politics is.

    We polemicise against George Galloway and Salma Yaqoob – it’s political; others make a sustained case critical of our politics – it’s apolitical sectarianism.

    Why, CHJH, is there little politics in Phil Hearse’s piece?

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  24. the point about salma and gg already backing KL is a serious one. there appears to be no discussion amongst rr membership but simply a decision taken by the 2 best known. RR has a national cttee which no one elected but seems to be the body which will decide. Appears to me to have already been a fait accompli (sic).
    like it or not comrades the ISG are again looking for short cuts. One thing that strike me about the original GG document is that there is absolutely no mention of his role re BB etc.
    there is next to no base of membership of rr except for a few obvious exceptations.
    If the ISG is really going to fight over the question of KL it will be interesting to see how it gets along and then if it loses which appears to be a near certainty what it does then?
    What I would be interested to know from Liam is do you think it was wrong of the SWP to fight over the issue of pocket membership and selecting candidates lie in B’ham who had been 3 months prior a tory party member. If not then why?

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  25. JJ a lot of people in the Labour Movement support KL. GG and SY aren’t unique in that even though I think they are wrong.

    They have spoken in a personal capacity. RR’s structures are still evolving and have not yet reached the level of the three line whip. It takes a while for a new organisation to grow its own political culture and the old Respect did not achieve that. Let’s give things a year or two and see what emerges. That’s what happens in real life. The difference this time around is that no one will receive a bucketload of abuse for disagreeing. That’s good.

    As for the pocket membership let’s recall what Jesus said. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” The business with the phony student delegates indicates that the SWP was willing to play that game and also made a habit of blocking delegates who whom it disagreed at the expense of political pluralism.

    However we’ve all passed a lot of water since then and it’s time to see which organisation flourishes. Have a look at my account of tonight’s Tower Hamlets meeting.

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  26. Liam, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, Trotskyists (including the the British section of the international to which you belong) conducted entryist work inside the bourgeois workers’ party. There seemed to be good prospects of transforming the Labour party in new ways. This was because the reformist left decided that the problem was less the polcies of their party so much as the lack of accountability of the MPs and party officials. Changes were brought in that were going to make the party truly democratic. The kind of changes supported by Militant, IMG and the Bennite left need to be incorporated into any broad workers’ party. The only group in Britain that has actually done this was the SSP. The SWP’s attitude towards the rest of the organised left forced the rest of the revolutionary left out, with the exception of the ISG. You both went on to form Respect on a basis that repelled the rest of the organised left. Because the SWP and the non-SWP components of Respect adopted an attitude towards democracy that meant they only accepted votes they won, this coalition was always going to end in tears. Neither the SWP leadership nor those who have formed Respect Renewal have learnt the lessons. Galloway is allowed his free vote on abortion and entitled to campaign for Livingstone, and to canvass for votes on the basis of his lack of strong support for gay rights, and to write columns in the national press that pander to the most apalling sexism, and also to champion John Smith as a great socialist leader, and Winston Churchill as Britian’s greatest Prime Minister. And you can do nothing about this. Galloway was imported into the leadership of Respect having boasted about his contempt for democratic control within the Labour Party. He is a maverick that cannot be adopted as a figurehead of any socialist party, however broad. The SWP’s attitude towards elections is bankrupt. Respect cannot be put back together. The SWP have to turn to the CNWP and to other working class forces. Some of those who split to form Respect Renewal can play a positive role. But only if you too demand the accountability of your elected representatives at Westminster, Tower Hamlets council. And there is precious little sign that you are any more willing to do this than Chris Bambery or Alex Callinicos are.

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  27. Tom read my account of last night’s Tower Hamlets committe to get a flavour of how a new organisation with new methods is developing.
    You don’t work in that setting by walking in, insisting that everyone who doesn’t agree with your ultimatum is a reactionary fool and flouncing out. Unless maybe you are in Workers Power. (joke)

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  28. Tom

    No matter how many times people prove to you that galloway has a very strong record of supporting gay righhts you continually claim the opposite.

    Nor ould anyone except a political numbskull describe the perhaps unfortunate discussion of Kylie’s physical apperance as appalling sexism. You need to get out a bit more if you think that is at the strong end of sexism.

    What a ludicrous idea you have that comrades should not be about to express opinions about John Smith.

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  29. Tom, Galloway doesn’t have a record of strong support for gay rights?

    Here’s Galloway speaking against the homophobia of the Catholic Church hierarchy and against the homophobic Section 28:

    And more recently on his radio show, strongly defending the rights of gay people:

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  30. Charlie, what I was refering to was the incident pointed out by Peter Tatchell, who spotted Galloway not once, but twice attacking a sitting Labour MP that Galloway wants to stand against on the basis of, amongst other things, his strong support for gay rights. Maybe this was a typo if it happened once, but not twice. Still, even if we do give him the benefit of the doubt, we have to ask ourselves why Respect was put together on the basis of dismissing gay rights (and women’s rights) as shibboleths. Lindsey German denounced the SWP’s critics for adopting this ludicrously opportunistic position on the basis of Islamophobia. In reality, support for Muslim rights is not conditional on Muslims extending support for gays or women seeking abortions. In exactly the same way, support for women’s rights and gay rights is not conditional on support for the rights of Muslims. Socialists defend all democratic rights. Belatedly, John Rees tried to junk Respect’s tarnished image amongst gays, and Galloway, Yaquoob, Miah et al kicked up hell. Galloway might not himself be homophobic. However, he split Respect on, amongst other things, the rights of homophobes to boycot Gay Pride, and there is a reason for this.

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  31. Hi Charlie,

    I had expected you to respond to my clarifying the situation vis-a-vis Galloway’s attitude towards gay rights. I assumed you must have been ignorant of the reference, so I explained it for you. So, what do you think? Why did Galloway call for a vote against a sitting MP on the basis of his stong support for gay rights? Not once but twice! When you consider this conundrum seriously, the dismissal of this on the basis of a typo (in reality two typos) does not really work. This explanation would only work if Galloway had left out the word “not” or had included it inadvertantly. We are all guilty of this from time to time. However that would transform the terms on which Galloway was canvassing against this sitting MP. He would in that case be making an allegation of homophobia against this individual. Given the fact that Galloway removed this reference in his list of allegations against the sitting Labour MP, rather than correcting the typo, the iimplication is that Galloway could not make a case against the sitting MP lacking strong support for gay rights. In that case, the original accusation was the one intended. Galloway wanted to “expose” this sitting MP as being strongly committed to gay rights, and Galloway was canvassing for votes on the basis of his personal opposition to strong support for gay rights. There is no other explanation. If we were dealing with a typo, then Tatchell would have been the first to alert Galloway to it so he could correct his blog. And Tatchell could have supported Galloway for campaiging against a Labour MP on the basis of his homophobia. The fact that this is not what happened tells us what we want to know. Galloway MAY have a history of strongly supporting gay rights in the past. But that is not how he is trying to sell himself to the electorate today. His original letter to John Rees would not have denounced Respect’s national secretary for demanding all the organisation’s elected representatives attend Gay Pride if he had not wanted to defend the rights of these elected representatives boycotting one of the Es in the party’s accronyms. For those who split from Respect, some are more equal than others. And gays, apparently, have nothing to be proud of.

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  32. Tom, sorry for not replying sooner – I do have a life, you know! Only just seen both your comments…

    Let me clear up the “typo” thing: on his radio show, Galloway read out Jim Fitzpatrick’s voting record, as taken word-for-word from a website. This appeared on Galloway’s site, cut and pasted.

    When it was pointed out that including Fitzpatrick’s good record of voting for gay rights legislation looked as if it was a negative, it was retracted. Given George’s strong support for the equal rights of gay people, past and present, I have no reason to believe there was an ulterior motive.

    As for the Respect split… the reason why some people objected to being ordered to attend the Pride event was because they felt it was some kind of test of their commitment to equal rights – as if they had to prove themselves.

    The implication is that Galloway is pandering to homophobic views that exist within the Muslim community – this is completely untrue.

    For example, if you click the second youtube link I gave, you will hear the way in which he links the struggle for equal rights for both the LGBT and Muslim people and the necessity in combatting homophobia and islamophobia.

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  33. Delighted to hear about your having a life, Charles. However, your attempt to clear things up suggests that logic does not play a major part in your life, and for that you have my deepest sympathy. You would have us believe that it had to be pointed out to Galloway that listing Fitzpatrick’s “stong support for gay rights” among a list of crimes, crimes that constituted good reasons for voting out this MP, might give rise to the suspicion that Galloway was himself opposed to strong support for gay rights. Since Galloway is far from being a cretin, no one will give any credence to this flimsy excuse. The fact that you ask me to swallow this lie might make me question your own intelligence, Charlie. But rest assured. It does not. I simply do not believe you any more than I believe Galloway. You know as well as I do that Galloway was appealing for the homophobic vote, just as he used his Daily Record column on Kylie Minogue to appeal for the sexist moron vote. Galloway is not stupid. However, he has contempt for the intelligence of the rest of us. He thinks he can pile up votes opportunistically amongst a variety of contradictory constituencies. He believes he can get away with this because he has managed to some extent to get away with it in the past. He has been able to do this for a variety of reasons. He is a world-class debator and public speaker (as the US Senate discovered to their cost). When he spoke out against the war, people voted for him on that basis. The abuse he suffered from the pro-war press and the Labour Party leadership helped concentrate minds. However, he did not have to worry about the left standing against him. Things will be different from here on in. When it comes to elections, Respect will see to it that Muslims get to read what about Galloway’s attitude towards women’s modesty. Women will be reminded about his opposition to abortion. Gays will be reminded about his denunciation of Jim Fitzpatrick for being so strongly in favour of gay rights, and about his attack on Respect’s national secretary for trying to associate Respect’s elected representatives with Gay Pride. And Galloway’s contempt for the intelligence of the voter by his rediculous excuse for why he dropped his blog’s reference to Jim Fitzpatrick’s strong support for gay rights will also be brought to the attention of everyone.

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  34. He wasn’t reading out a “list of crimes” though, was he?

    I heard that radio show. Did you?

    He never said “ooh, strong support for gay rights! how terrible!”

    If he’s really looking for a homophobic vote, he’s not doing a good job is he? Why does he call homophobic callers to his radio show “stupid fools”? Surely if he was looking to get an anti-gay vote, he’d let it pass?

    I might not be all that bright or logical – but I know that it’s not possible to read people’s minds….

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  35. Some of these questions are in fact being re-thought inside the SWP. John Molyneaux recently had this published inside International Socialism:

    http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=586&issue=124

    A piece which would probably have taken the form of an internal bulletin rather then a public document in the proceeding period. There was also a piece on Die Linke which is critical of a number of formulations familiar to those of us in the SWP:

    http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=578&issue=124

    One proviso I would make about the argument about Respect. It just does seem to me that some of these difficulties were sharply accentuated by the failure to attract broader forces which led to an artificial situation where the self discipline of revolutionary forces and there particular method of participation within the wider organisation became much more central then it would otherwise have been in broader formations. This seems to be a more general experiance of re-groupment that is perhaps not touched on sufficiantly in the kinds of neccessary re-assessments going on.

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  36. […] or threatening to write this piece for quite some time. It’s a response to Phil Hearse’s  Democratic Centralism and Broad Left Parties, a text which sends John’s blood pressure to stratospheric […]

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