This piece by Alan Thornett was written for International Viewpoint and the French language magazine Inprecor. It should be read alongside Chris Harman’s article. The IV site carries the original article and another piece by Salma Yaqoob called The SWP takes a take backwards A spectre is haunting Respect?

A Reply to Chris Harman on Respect: Alan Thornett (4.1.08)

Chris Harman claims that his article The Crisis in Respect (ISJ) or here International Viewpoint is an attempt to locate the politics behind crisis in Respect. It is nothing of the sort. It is a continuation of the method the Socialist Workers’ Party (SWP) had employed in the debate around the issue from the outset, which has been to bury the politics behind an ever-increasing welter of allegations and distortions mostly, but not only, about George Galloway and Salma Yaqoob. To the extent that he does deal with the politics it is an attempt to defend the indefensible i.e. the ‘loose coalition’ model of organisation which the SWP insisted on for Respect and the way the SWP leadership reacted to George Galloway’s letter at the end of last August.

To the extent that he does deal with the politics it is an attempt to defend the indefensible i.e. the ‘loose coalition’ model of organisation which the SWP insisted on for Respect and the way the SWP leadership reacted to George Galloway’s letter at the end of last August.

Harman claims that the crisis was precipitated by a series of attacks on the SWP. It was not. It was precipitated by the astonishing over-reaction of the SWP leadership to George Galloway’s letter, which called for some rather modest changes in the way Respect was organised and run. The letter did not imply a crisis or a split in Respect. It did, it is true, add up to a critique of the SWP and the way it ran Respect. But it was impossible to criticise any aspect of Respect without this being the case, since the SWP were running it from top to bottom. Respect was, in effect, by then, a wholly -owned subsidiary of the SWP. That was in fact the nub of the problem the letter was trying to address.

Harman also claims that the letter was designed to shift Respect to the right. It was not. There was absolutely nothing in the letter to suggest such a shift. The issues Harman singles out in an attempt to establish this are the questioning (in the context of financial administration) of the decision to spend £2,000 on the hiring of an expensive float for the 2007 Gay Pride at a time when Respect had no money, and the resources put into the Organising Fighting Unions conference (OFU) and the subsequent £5,000 loss. There can be different views on these issues but they were both legitimate questions to raise and neither of them held any water at all as examples of a move to the right.

In fact Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) rights are an unfortunate subject for Harman to pick to attack the letter, given the SWP’s dubious record on the subject inside Respect. There have indeed been clashes with George Galloway over this issue in Respect. Whilst Galloway supports LGBT rights, and has a record of doing so, he has controversially argued on several occasions for the issue to be given a lower profile in Respect material. The problem for Harman, however, is that the SWP have, on each occasion, supported Galloway over such proposals against Socialist Resistance (SR) supporters, and others, who have argued for a higher profile.

This was the case at the first two conferences of Respect, where SR supporters were denounced by SWP leaders for raising resolutions highlighting LGBT rights. It was also the case with the first draft of the Respect manifesto, which I wrote, where George Galloway was also supported by SWP leaders when he argued for reducing the profile of this issue. Whether it was right or wrong to suddenly spend a lot of money on an intervention into the 2007 Gay Pride parade, when previously SR supporters had to campaign to get a leaflet produced for Pride, can be discussed. But it was not a shift to the right. It was what it was: the questioning of particular expenditure at a time when Respect had no money for an election campaign or anything else.

There was always a legitimate question to be asked about the way the OFU conference was built and resourced through the Respect office and full-time staff. I was opposed to the way it was built from the start, and declined to be a part of the organising committee as a result. I had argued for a conference organised jointly with sections of the trade union left, and if possible with the Communist Party of Britain (CPB), with the aim of strengthening the links between Respect and the trade union left and other partners in the project. This approach was rejected on the Respect officers’ committee in favour of a conference called and organised by Respect itself – with the main aim of getting the maximum attendance. In the event, the conference. although quite big. did nothing what-so-ever to strengthen the relationship between Respect and the trade union left. It was perfectly legitimate for George Galloway to criticise the resources put in by the Respect office, and the £5,000 loss incurred.

Gay Pride and OFU, however, were side issues in the Galloway letter. In any case, Harman himself argues elsewhere in his article that the shift to the right is an intention behind the letter, rather than in the text of the letter itself. What Harman fails to take up is the central issue of the Galloway letter: the state that Respect was in. The stark reality was that the membership of Respect had declined from 5,500 two years earlier, to 2,200 by August 2007: something which would normally be seen as a crisis. Not only were many of Respect’s branches moribund or inactive, but Respect was politically narrower, since the bulk of those who had left had been independent activists. It had financial problems and it was in no position to face a general election. There were problems with its decision making process, the functioning of its elected committees, and the undemocratic top-down control exercised by the SWP. These were the real issues which provoked the letter.

None of these were new problems. Some of us had been raising them for several years. The Respect Party Platform (RPP) – had tried to raise them at the Respect conference in October 2006 and had been roundly slapped down by John Rees (Respect National Secretary and a leading SWP member), with the support at that time of George Galloway. The declining membership was blatantly covered up. In fact, falsified membership figures were presented to the conference by John Rees. These were designed to give the impression that Respect had grown when it had declined. All protests about this manipulation were ignored.

The conference was told that, in any case, membership figures were not the best way to measure the strength of Respect: that there were a lot of Respect suppor
ters who were not prepared to join, but could be called upon in important campaigns like elections. This was an oblique – but revealing – reference to SWP members and the way the SWP saw Respect. This was that it did not need to be a real organisation, with real members, because there were plenty of SWP members who could be drafted in as foot-soldiers as necessary. It meant that Respect was not a real organisation at all but a front for the SWP! It did not have any internal political life of its own because it did not need an internal life. It was an extension of the SWP: a device to be used at election time. SWP member after SWP member went to the rostrum to denounce us and to claim that their Respect branch was vibrant and expanding, that there was no crisis and that it was malicious to suggest otherwise. The following is an extract from the RPP assessment of the conference, published soon after:

“The real situation inside Respect was the elephant in the room which must not be mentioned. How, following major electoral gains winning a seat in Westminster and then 16 councillors in the local elections was Respect smaller and politically narrower at the time of the conference than at any time since it was founded despite the gains in East London.

“According to the annual report, as discussed at the National Council prior to the conference, Respect had lost a third of its members over the past year, down from just over three thousand to just over two thousand, and many of its branches are in bad shape. Yet far from using the conference to discuss this problem and how to tackle it, the whole thing was covered up. The version of the annual report given to the delegates had even been altered, and all the membership figures removed. A carefully worded formula was inserted in place of the figures which gave the impression that the membership had gone up. It was smoke and mirrors. A declining Respect becomes an expanding one. George Galloway in his opening speech not only claimed that everything in the garden was absolutely rosy but that Respect had just recruited 10,000 students! Respect was, said Galloway “the fastest growing party in Britain”. John Rees insisted that Respect was “bigger this year than last year”.”

All proposals we put forward at the conference to address this disastrous situation were also slapped down by an SWP majority. The implication was that since there was no crisis – other than in the heads of a disgruntled minority – there was no need for any solutions either. We were successfully isolated and defeated.

This was the real background to George Galloway’s letter. What was new was that they had now been reflected in a poor result in the Southall Parliamentary by-election, there was a general election in the offing, and George Galloway had now raised them. The letter was an attempt to tackle this situation. It made proposals for a much-needed membership and fund drive and a modest reorganisation of the leadership structures of Respect, to bring a bit of plurality in at the top. If the SWP had been prepared to discuss the issues politically and make some compromises, to show that they were prepared to take other people’s views into account, there could have been a positive outcome. John Lister (the other SR member on the Respect NC) and I issued a statement welcoming George Galloway’s letter as far as it went, but calling on him to go further, particularly over the democratisation of Respect internal procedures and structures, and on accountability.

Harman says rather patronisingly that those from the left like me, John Lister (and Ken Loach and others) who supported the letter and eventually supported Respect Renewal were confused! But there was never any doubt where we would stand on the letter. It was pointing to problems we had been raising and changes we had been proposing for a long time. Nor was there any chance from the outset that we would support the SWP leadership once it was clear that they were opposing the letter in favour of an unacceptable status-quo. If the fiction of a left/right divide was calculated to draw us into the SWP camp, it was never going to work.

This was the reaction of almost all the non-SWP members of the NC. It was a remarkable situation. The SWP leadership managed to alienate themselves, within a few weeks, from virtually all of the active non-SWP members of the NC: people they had been working with for three and a half years. There were 50 members of the NC, of which about 44 were actively involved. At the time of the letter, the SWP had 19 members of the NC. By the time of the split, 19 NC members supported Respect Renewal and 21 supported the SWP, of which 17 were SWP members (several others declined to take sides).

Among those supporting Respect Renewal are Linda Smith (the National Chair of Respect and leading member of the Fire Brigades Union), Salma Yaqoob (National Vice-Chair and elected councillor in Birmingham), Victoria Brittain (a well known writer and playwright), Jerry Hicks (leading industrial militant and member of the SWP at the start of this crisis). There was also film maker Ken Loach, Abjol Miah (the leader of Respect on Tower Hamlets Council), Yvonne Ridley (also a journalist), and Nick Wrack – the first national chair of Respect and a member of the SWP when the crisis broke.

One feature of the SWP Respect after the split is that the ratio of SWP members to independent activists on its National Council elected on October 9th is even greater. SWP members are seventy percent of the incoming NC. It will be difficult to have much of a coalition on that basis.

Harman claims that the SWP did its “utmost” to reach a compromise to prevent a split. It did not. In fact it was the SWP’s total refusal to compromise which set a split dynamic in train. Far from making concessions, the SWP went totally in the opposite direction. They took the letter as a frontal attack on the SWP and launched a nation-wide tour of SWP districts vilifying George Galloway and scandalously calling him and Salma Yaqoob (amongst many other things) “communalists”, with its divisive connotations for those from the Sub-Continent, of brutal colonial pogroms and imperialist divide and rule. They also characterised his letter as a part of a right wing attack on the left in Respect.

The charge of communalism was particularly outrageous in the case of Salma Yaqoob, who, far from being a communalist, had a high profile and exemplary record in combating it in Birmingham – which she convincingly outlined in her reply to the SWP Challenges for Respect.

There may well have been examples where Respect focussed too much on building in one single community or worked too much through community networks in a particular area. The SWP are seriously wrong, however, in describing this as communalism and Harman continues with this dangerous line. Of course, the task is to resist relying on such networks and especially where, which is often the case, they are male-dominated. Unlike The Labour Party, however, we need to fight for transparent processes, as has been the case over postal voting. If there have been concessions to these practices, the SWP have to show what they did about it at the time not just claim, without any evidence, that it was all down to George Galloway. Salma Yaqoob covers some of these things a lot more adequately in her excellent reply to Harman – A Spectre is Haunting Respect?

At each of the SWP’s internal meetings the attacks on George Galloway became more frenzied. A minority which emerged inside the SWP in opposition to all this, and which argued for the SWP to make compromises before it was too late, was brushed aside and some were
later expelled. In hindsight, is it probable that once the SWP leadership had gone down the road of whipping up their members against Galloway in this way, it was already impossible to prevent a split. It was very difficult to pull back from the kind of allegations which were being made and the bitterness engendered. So SWP leaders, finding themselves in a hole, kept digging. In fact, the kind of language used then continues in Harman’s letter. In it he not only claims that there was a witch hunt against the SWP, but that it reflected the tone of the Cold War of the 1950s and the purges of Trotskyists in the Labour Party in the 1980s! At another point it compares us with the leadership of Rifondazione joining the Prodi coalition.

It is worth noting that the George Galloway the SWP were now vilifying was the same George Galloway that the SWP had repeatedly shielded from criticism from ourselves and others ever since Respect was founded: not just on the profile of LGBT rights, but other issues as well. They now denounced him for unaccountability, yet at the time of the Celebrity Big Brother debacle they fought might and main to protect him against any degree of accountability at all. They successfully blocked any of criticism of his decision to go on the programme being expressed by Respect. Harman repeats the crassest arguments deployed by the SWP at the time to defend their actions. For example: that George Galloway’s appearance on Big Brother was not as bad as invading Iraq as Blair and new Labour had done! So that’s alright then! On that criterion he had a completely free hand!

Harman’s answer to the charge that the SWP undemocratically dominated Respect – something which was so recognisable to non-SWP members – is to claim that it cannot be true because the SWP has a good reputation in campaigns such as the Anti-Nazi League and the Stop the War Coalition! Whether this claim holds water or not his answer reflects the scale of the problem. The SWP has indeed always treated Respect as a single issue campaign and sought to build it as such. This is the infamous united front of a special kind – when it needs to be something much more akin to a political party if it is to succeed. The level of democracy, of involvement of members, and of common political experience and development, is something very different in an organisation (whether you call it a party or not) which fights for political office than in a single issue campaign which is confined to a limited objective. Again this was the nub of the issue.

Harman claims that George Galloway and others have attacked democratic centralism and Leninist organisation. What has been challenged, however, it not democratic centralism as such, but the way the SWP operated democratic centralism inside Respect, and the effect this had on the democracy of the organisation. In other words, the SWP’s bureaucratic conception of ‘democratic’ centralism and the way they applied it to Respect.

The objection was not that the SWP had meetings as the SWP. The objection was the relationship between its decision making processes and those of Respect itself. Many in Respect, who were not in the SWP, were becoming painfully aware as to what this involved. It meant the huge SWP delegations on the leading bodies of Respect acting under democratic centralist discipline as normal practice, with no attempt to limit the impact of this, or allow a genuine process of discussion to take place. This made it a waste of time for others to attend, since all the important decisions were determined in advance. I had declined nomination for the officers group (the executive committee) after the 2006 conference for exactly this reason, because my attendance was pointless. The elected committees were not the real decision-making bodies at all. They were token meetings controlled by the parallel decision-making structures of the SWP. Decisions which were taken were only carried out if they corresponded to the SWP agenda.

It was this dubious mode of operation which required a top-down structure with the ‘important leader’ at the top running both Respect and the SWP. And it was this which was challenged by George Galloway’s proposal to establish a national organiser alongside the national secretary, with equal authority. This also explains why this proposal was resisted so strongly by the SWP. It was seen as a direct challenge to John Rees and his ability to run things this way.

It was this issue rather than events in Tower Hamlets in East London which was the driving force of the split on the NC. After several hours of debate at two NC meetings – during which SWP delegates came close to driving George Galloway out of Respect – an agreement was reached on the appointment of a national organiser with equal status to John Rees. It was seen as a breakthrough by the non-SWP members of the NC. An officer’s meeting then set this decision aside and referred the issue to the Respect conference. That decision took the crisis to a new level. It sent a message loud and clear that the SWP was going to defend their top-down conception to the bitter end, and that it was probably too late to save Respect in its original form. It was also this which brought the crisis in Tower Hamlets to a head and triggered a battle over conference delegates. If everything was going to be decided by a vote-out at conference, delegates became crucial.

There had been wider problems and conflicts in Tower Hamlets Respect, it is true. Many of them reflected genuine problems arising out of Respect’s electoral success, however, for which nobody should apologise. Respect made a major breakthrough – unprecedented on the left – into impoverished working class minority communities in East London and Birmingham, amongst people who were outraged by the war. A large number of new members, many of whom had little experience of the labour movement or the traditional left, with different traditions of political organisation, came into Respect. But how those gains could be consolidated and built, and how the problems which would inevitably arise could be tackled (whatever new community was involved) was another matter.

It is true that Respect’s appeal as an anti-war party had an impact right across the Muslim communities in a way which would not be the case in a white working class area, for example. There were – and are – restaurant owners who strongly support Respect again in a way that would not be the case in a white working class area. But this is a product of the position such people find themselves as migrants in British society, their political experience back home, and the nature of the so-called war against terror with its demonisation of Muslim people.

It would be a big mistake, however, to conclude that the several restaurant owners who support Respect Renewal determine the class character of that support. They absolutely do not. The bulk of Respect’s Muslim supporters are amongst the most impoverished sections of the working class in Britain. It casts shame on the SWP that they are now resorting to arguments which previously came either from the right wing or the ultra left.

The problems arising from all this, of course, were never discussed in Respect at the level of the NC or the even the officers group. Harman makes a series of allegations about Tower Hamlets Respect about non-left interlopers and the like. But why was none of this brought to the elected committees at the time? The fact is a conscious decision was taken by SWP leaders to keep them internal to Tower Hamlets and the SWP, since the elected bodies were not seen as the real leadership. That was the SWP. Instead of collective discussion, the problems, where they existed, were internalised and compounded.
It was a big mistake. It was impossible for the elected leadership to take responsibility for such problems when they were not informed of the existence of them. Instead of discussion and debate around issues as they have arisen, the SWP’s answer was lowest-common-denominator politics. It avoided conflict but nothing was resolved.

The political framework behind all this was the ‘loose coalition’ conception – which the SWP had insisted on imposing on Respect – rather than building it as an all-round political party. With a loose coalition, the priorities were not political development and the establishment of collective political experience. These were seen as the preserve of the SWP itself, which is a logical approach with a united front campaign. For such a campaign or a loose coalition, the priority was to be able to be able to deliver votes when they were needed. How the organisation itself developed was a secondary matter.

There were also implications for internal democracy. A loose coalition does not imply the same level of democracy or accountability as a party. Nor does it imply the detailed rules needed for standing for political office, policy making, membership status, selection procedures and accountability. Harman alleges irregularities in Tower Hamlets, specifically of large numbers of members joining at the unemployed rate – when some of them, he argues, must have been employed. It is hard to know whether there was substance in this allegation or not. But what is clear is that the SWP has an appalling record of overlooking such irregularities when it has suited them. This raises questions as to how such a situation, if it existed, was allowed to develop in the first place. Both the 2006 Respect conference and the SWP-organised 2007 Respect conference featured large numbers of student delegates who had no legitimate status at all. They were ‘elected’ from the lists of students who simply expressed an interest in Respect at a Freshers’ Fair, but never joined, and in most cases were never seen again. It was one of the factors making the conference an undemocratic and unacceptable event which was no longer viable as a united conference. It would have been unlikely ever to get past the item ‘endorsement of delegates’ then breaking up, which would have done no one any good.

Harman makes no serious attempt to explain the SWP’s dramatic switch – as far as George Galloway is concerned – from unquestioned leader to number one enemy of the left. It’s true that Galloway is a maverick and is a controversial politician. But he was both of these things the day Respect was formed and he remained so the day it split. At the time Respect was formed, the SWP saw it as important to include someone like Galloway in a project like Respect, if it was to have a broad appeal. And they were right, at least in principle, even if they got it wrong in practice. You can’t have a broad party including both revolutionary socialists and left reformists without any left reformists of any weight and influence. And Galloway is still the only left Labour MP to make a break with Labour, having been expelled from Labour over the war – and to have put his weight behind building an alternative. He is the best public speaker on the left, not an unimportant attribute, and was and remains a central leader of the anti-war movement. It is largely from these two factors that he has the biggest electoral base of anyone on the left outside of the Labour Party. He is left Labour in his politics, as he made very clear at the Respect Renewal conference. But it was this which he brought into Respect from the outset – a genuine component of left-Labour politics.

Nor is Harman right to draw a parallel between the Big Brother episode and Galloway’s other media appearances – in particular his twice weekly Talk Sport show. This is a left-wing show and is a service to the left. It is used by GG to promote left-wing causes and left-wing ideas in front of an audience of half a million. It is hard to see and objection to that.

The degree of success achieved by Respect Renewal since the split is both an indication that the political conditions for such a party remain as strong as ever. Respect Renewal remains fragile and will only develop successfully to the extent that it is able to turn outwards towards the rest of the left. The strength of Respect Renewal, however – which was never the case with the original Respect under the SWP – is that it is serious about approaching other sections of the left, such as the trade union left and the CPB, about a wider regroupment of forces to tackle the crisis of working class representation. It is serious when it says that it does not see itself as the answer, but only one component of the answer. It means it when it says that if it is possible to move towards a wider regroupment, it would put no organisational preconditions in the way. Its only precondition would be that it would represent a step forwards in building the kind of new party the working class needs in order to respond to the betrayals of social democracy.

All these issues could have been discussed in the framework of the old Respect had the SWP leadership acted differently. Unfortunately, that was not the case. In reality, there was resistance to this kind of approach. The task now, therefore, is to make Respect Renewal the success it has the possibility of being. It has made a very encouraging start; the task now is to build on this initial success.

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59 responses to “A Reply to Chris Harman on Respect”

  1. Well yes Anna, the SWP’s behaviour in the SA did provide a first act of the tragedy, and they also contributed a scene to the Scottish play.

    The difference is that this time around there is a sufficient critical mass to Respect Renewal to make it viable as a serious player towards some sort of left regroupment, which is something we were not able to rescue out of the socialist alliance.

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  2. I hope so. Fingers crossed, Andy, and best of luck for Jan 12th.

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  3. Don’t forget to mention the need for campaining on local and other issues between elections.
    I have heard of one report that ACP high in RR sees elections as the main, if not sole thrust for RR.
    This will not work.
    To only activate RR for elections and to refuse to join in other campaigns would be a return to the switching on and off tactics that destroyed any growth in Respect previously. It would also block any notions of Unity in Action (UIA) with other ‘leftists (including SWP members and supporters) and other contacts which are essential to RR’s growth and development between elections; such as save the NHS, anti-education cuts, anti-racist, trade-union work and so on.

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  4. Thanks for wishing us luck, Anna.

    It’ll still be a constant struggle to suppress all vestiges of the kind of behaviour Anna documents in her article. And a lot of us in RR (myself included) have skeletons in the cupboard from SA days; not least of these was staying silent in fear of Rees when Anna should have received the support she deserved (it shouldn’t be difficult to generalise from the behaviour patterns that led to that disgrace).

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  5. babeuf: “It’ll still be a constant struggle to suppress all vestiges of the kind of behaviour Anna documents in her article“…

    Yes, I agree with you on that and the necessity for openess, transparency, a way for people to be heard, not to be controlled or be ignored. Also, it depends how you develop the structures of your organisation and what you base it on.

    Good luck with RR though I have disagreeements etc. we have to all work together and find common ground.

    In saying that I was interested in this bit Alan says, …”Respect Renewal remains fragile and will only develop successfully to the extent that it is able to turn outwards towards the rest of the left.

    Can anyone elaborate further on this? Because I think this is a sensible and practical approach. I know RR is still in its early stages (you will much to discuss on the 12th Jan…) but still would be interested in how you intend to develop this idea.

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  6. I just read Anna’s article and though I was active in the SA, didn’t know half of that stuff. Although I’m not a fan of “self-criticism” sessions, it would be interesting to hear what some of the people involved who now find themselves “in a different situation” think of the events.

    I remember at the time arguing vociferously with independent socialists that no, the SA is not an SWP front, yes the SWP can change: it is going around saying that the SA will have failed if it is not dominated by independents at all levels etc. I was wrong. Four years later, they still have yet to learn some home truths about what Leninism really is about: definitely not bureaucratic domination.

    It would be interesting also to have a look at the history of the ANL. The SWP puts this up as an example of how they operate(d) that is beyond criticism. I wasn’t involved in it, but my partner’s attitude to the SWP is almost entirely coloured by her experience of it in Sheffield, where in about 1979-80 they apparently did exactly what they have done recently, inveigled themselves into positions of control, pissed off people until the group’s existence was almost entirely dependent on them and then dropped it like a hot potato so it collapsed completely. (It could be argued that the ANL had run its course, but then it could have had a national discussion about what to do next, and perhaps turned to anti-racist activity). I also remember there was a lot of criticism when the ANL was initiated, that it by-passed the anti-fascist committees that had been very active since the early seventies.

    Is the SWP’s approach to the ANL beyond criticism?

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  7. Babeuf, what did you know that the rest of us didn’t, and what were you scared of exactly? Are you saying you kept quiet and conspired to keep quiet activities the rest of us should have known about?

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  8. So now your down to pushing articles written five years ago? Sweet…

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  9. Louise said: “Good luck with RR though I have disagreeements etc. we have to all work together and find common ground.

    In saying that I was interested in this bit Alan says, …”Respect Renewal remains fragile and will only develop successfully to the extent that it is able to turn outwards towards the rest of the left.”

    Can anyone elaborate further on this? Because I think this is a sensible and practical approach. I know RR is still in its early stages (you will much to discuss on the 12th Jan…) but still would be interested in how you intend to develop this idea.”

    The CP Congress is in June, so things will have to move pretty fast to work out an organisational co-operation so that it can be ratified without having to hold a Special Congress and all the hassle that entails. Hopefully talks have already started. How are they progressing?

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  10. Margo, I knew very little about Anna’s case until it was too late (being out of the London loop). If you look back at my comment, you’ll see the words “myself included” aren’t in a clause that refers directly to Anna.

    My concern is only about people who didn’t act to stop what they could see was wrong (even if they sympathized in private). But you, I think, have a much bigger worry, since you have to work with the offender himself.

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  11. With reagrd to Louise’s questin.

    It will all become a bit clearer over the next few weeks after the NC meeting on the 12th.

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  12. Well Babeuf, how depressing. Ive got a toad, and you’ve got a bunch of toadies!

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  13. You’re a poet, Margo.

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  14. Andy

    A scene from the Scottish play! What the SWP did in Respect was like a sunday afternoon picnic compared to what they did in the SSP.

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  15. You were lucky, Raphie. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o’clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, the whole CC would queue up to thrash us to sleep with a belt!

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  16. “go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, the whole CC would queue up to thrash us to sleep with a belt!”

    Yeah but babeuf, didn’t it make you a more determined and principled Leninist.? Go on…it did, comrade, you know it did…. admit it.. 😉

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  17. Andy: “It will all become a bit clearer over the next few weeks after the NC meeting on the 12th”.

    Thanks for that, it will be interesting what concrete proposals you come up with.

    Me to: “The CP Congress is in June, so things will have to move pretty fast to work out an organisational co-operation so that it can be ratified without having to hold a Special Congress and all the hassle that entails”

    That sounds interesting as well to me to…..

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  18. Louise said: Yeah but babeuf, didn’t it make you a more determined and principled Leninist.? Go on…it did, comrade, you know it did…. admit it..

    Tough as fookin’ nails, it made me. Made me the head-boiling red-terror revolutionary I am. See that Felix Dzerzhinsky? Fookin’ mummy’s boy!

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  19. Babeuf

    Obviously I’m observing the SWP from the outside and could not begin to imagine what actual members of the SWP have to go through. Having not been a member of a sect I cannot begin to imagine the mental and physical tortue that you must have gone through. At least you got out semi-alive and I would not rule out an almost full recovery. My deepest sympathy to you and those who have supported you on your road to recovery.

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  20. The 12th, is it RR’s NC, or the NC of Respect as a whole? If it’s the latter and RR comrades are attending, well, it’ll be an interesting affair!

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  21. Over on Former Communists http://www.network54.com/Forum/393207 in a discussion about part of Alan’s article, at least one CPB member (Ordinary Stasi agent) seems to be poo pooing any prospects of working with RR

    “Some people just don’t get it. The CPB’s attitude to the crisis of labour representation – and what to do about it – is well documented in is own literature. Nevertheless one or two pundits on this site love to natt away at what they see as some incipient split just moments away from cracking open.
    It is as if they think that the leadership of the CPB is so poorly grounded in reality that it – or some part of it – might suddenly make some sort of infantile ultra-leftist slip, and bolt away into pastures new.
    I think you will find that the General secretary of the CPB and the CPB in general has too much political maturity for this.
    If you are looking for ultra-leftist hysterics the CPB is not the place to be. “

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  22. We are introduced to this article thus: This piece by Alan Thornett is to be published in International Viewpoint and the French language magazine Inprecor alongside Chris Harman’s article which has been available for some time.”

    Really? Where exactly? To the best of my knowledge it was an internal document that first saw the light of day some time yesterday, although tiny extracts had been savaged (by taking things out of context) on Andy Newman’s blog for a month. Could it be that this internal document was distributed to enemies of the SWP, by entryists of the ISG? Is this the open and honest approach that you intend to use to bring the fragments of the left together, to win friends and influence people? It is astonishing that two very lengthy reviews of Harman’s document have appeared on the internet (by Thornett and Murray Smith) within a few hours of the first appearance of Harman’s document on the internet.

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  23. Given the fact that Thorn_ett_al are quite open about their previous criticisms of some of Galloway’s politics, rather than engaging in a necrophiliac relationship with the SWP, wouldn’t it be more productive
    to publish something on your current proposals for resuscitating the siamese twin that’s still breathing? I am a very astute reader of silence and I know exactly what those arkward little issues are dearies.
    The problem is that the theoretical framework you have now build around your organisation, as codified in the last World Congress of the ???? means that sellotaping over the cracks is now a methodology.
    I’m not saying go nuclear and unleash the nutters (heaven knows there are enough of them around already), I’m saying actually produce some material on what your policies for Respect(R)
    I also won’t be so charitable as to wish you good luck, because if what emerges is a Popular Front, then it will need to be cleared out of the way rapidly.
    Using principled political arguments of course.
    I renounce Satan – that’s a promise.

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  24. Tom well done on missing the point again.

    In any case CH has submitted an edited version of his article which is going on the IV site soon. It’s very long and I’ve posted two long articles in as many days. That’s why I didn’t put it up. I can do it letter if readers can’t wait.

    What purpose is served by this carping little niggles you keep raising?

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  25. The harman document was circulated internationally by the SWP, wider than their own IST affilaites.

    It came to me in early December from a source unrealated to the SWP or its international affilates.

    I had no responsibility to publish a document from the SWP, though i did format it and make it into a web page on 9th December for private distribution.

    The question that Tom and other SWP allies need to ask is why the SWP circulated a document internationally, that they did not share with their own members.

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  26. The document is by the way published here:

    LEFT WOMEN’S NETWORK

    The final version for IV and the ISJ may of course be different.

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  27. Harman’s final version for IV is here:
    http://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?mot16
    along with Salma’s reply from Socialist Unity and Alan’s reply for IV.

    ..along with Alan’s reply (one date has been corrected from the original version, and some minor corrections have been made).

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  28. In fact the Chris Harman article is now available from the ISJ website.

    http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=396&issue=117

    Dated: 18 December 07

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  29. Hi, I’m sure people here will hate it but I had this vaguely related post up at CommentisFree:
    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/rupa_huq/2008/01/goodbye_to_respect.html

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  30. Rupa I sometimes think that the only thing some of the people who leave comments on this site hate are the other people who leave comments on this site.

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  31. rupahuq: “Hi, I’m sure people here will hate it but I had this vaguely related post up at CommentisFree:”

    This is a truly awful article. Its only merit is showing that the far left do not have the monopoly of distortion, invective and self-righteousness. Did the Guardian pay her for this tripe?

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  32. Rupa,
    you put this drivvle out on the SU blog as well, have you no shame?

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  33. This is significant, for the first time the 4th International has printed an article from the SWP. As I understand it, the ISG is divided with many opposing the split and the LCR have been very critical of the actions of Thornett et al.

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  34. Adam – you continually make statements about facts which are simply wrong, and then draw conclusions from them. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously.

    You say: “This is significant, for the first time the 4th International has printed an article from the SWP.”

    What poppy cock. To take just one other example:
    Here are seven articles publiched by IV by Alex Callinicos.
    http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?auteur10

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  35. http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=396&issue=117

    for the ‘Crisis in Respect’ article with the notes and references not included on International Viewpoint

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  36. Andy, of course the IV article is significant, and of course the ISG is divided over the organisation’s decision to split from Respect. Why pretend otherwise? Oh, I forgot, it fits your anti-SWP agenda.

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  37. Adam J

    As far back as 1979 the SWP(UK) were invited to participate in the world congress of the Fourth International and their submission to the congress was published in a discussion bulletin widely circulated to members of the international. I’ve got the English version but I presume it was also translated into Spanish and French, all paid for by the International. I cannot remember what it said or what the response was I’m afraid. The French section of the IST, socialisme par en bas, were actually full members of the Fourth International with the support of the SWP(UK) and had faction rights to argue their positions within the LCR and the FI. (I’ve read they’ve disbanded now but presumably are all individual members of the FI).

    However when the SWP(UK) invited the ISG to join them en bloc, the one thing that was not on offer was being able to retain links with the FI.

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  38. solidarity, on January 5th, 2008 at 4:35 pm Said:

    http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=396&issue=117

    for the ‘Crisis in Respect’ article with the notes and references not included on International Viewpoint
    ———————————-

    I notice the references include documents not currently formally in the public domain, ie SWP Preconference bulletins – does this signify that they will be published and that it is okay to quote from them? Did not someone on another thread say it was a disgraceful practice to publish them online? But presumably it’s okay for an SWP leader to refer to them in their arguments, even though they claim we cannot see them?

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  39. We are told here that the ISG is divided on splitting from Respect. We are also told that the LCR leadership has been very critical of the Biritsh section of the FI for what it has done. I think I am right in thinking that this has in fact been admitted by members/supporters of the ISG, although the sarchasm from all sides does make this a difficult call. Is this true? And if it is, why have the dissidents in the ISG not had their views printed in Respect Renewal documents? When will we get to read the LCR leadership’s criticisms of Thornett and co? Either on this blog on Andy’s aptly named ‘SUN’ blog. How about it, comrades? Where’s your much vaunted “pluralism” within the ISG now? Do SWP members have to conduct entryist work inside the ISG to get hold of internal documents? Is this the example you have set for them, and the rest of the left?

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  40. Man I wish I hadn’t just read the Chris Harman article. When splits happen feelings can get inflamed and that can take the edge off critical reasoning, as demonstrated by the effect of the “witch-hunt” allegation. For my part I have tried to take every in, and remain open to the possibility that I might have been wrong in leaving the SWP and remain willing to hear all the arguments. But the Harman article just takes the fucking biscuit, what a load of bull and what pisses me off most of all is that it is such a load of bull, so lacking in any willingness to be self-critical that at least a little part of Harman must know he’s speaking shit.

    My favourite is the following:
    “Some such people were, regrettably, taken in by Galloway’s lies. But serious activists, however much they might disagree with some of the SWP’s politics, know that our members do not behave at all as he purports.”

    I.E: It is not that supporters of RR have taken thought out but (from his view) incorrect political positions – no they have been fooled by Galloway’s lies! Not just that they can’t be serious activists because no serious activist believes that the SWP could do anything bad!

    Sorry I had to let off that bit of steam so that when my partner gets back from the SWP conference I don’t have a blazing row with her. Lets just hope that some people have had the guts to criticise the cc at the conference. Trying not to get hopes to high.

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  41. We are told here that the ISG is divided on splitting from Respect.

    Only by Adam, as far as I can tell. I wouldn’t get your hopes up.

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  42. Thornett’¨s reply to Harman is amazingly bad. Is this representative of the political level of the ISG? And of the FI? I hope not. How any Marxist can read these two contributions and conclude otherwise than the SWP position is basically the right one, is beyond me. And I’m not in the SWP myself.

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  43. YDNA, if the SWP is so right how come it has alienated the bulk of non SWP members inside what used to be Respect? Of course there are times when you can be isolated but if the central point of the Respect project was to create an electoral alternative to Labour’s left then something has gone badly wrong.

    It may be that a bunch of gullible fools were hoodwinked by GG. It may even be that nearly all the non SWP Respect members became witch hunting rightwingers during their summer holidays. Another option is that people had reached the limit of their patience with the SWP’s methods and conceptions. That is more than a theoretical possibility and it’s one that is never hinted at in anything the SWP has produced.

    To the extent that CH touches on the role of how democratic centralist organisations function in something like Respect he justifies acting as a solid bloc. That’s why AT’s piece is complemented by the preceding one by PH.

    From the point of view of the SWP’s strategic line in recent years Respect has proven to be a debacle. The issues of losing people and burning bridges with former allies in an exercise like this are pretty crucial. CH’s article lays the blame on everyone but the people who thought they were the masterminds behind the whole process. That is quite an omission.

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  44. The SWP has lost some of it’s own members because they are being asked to argue today the opposite of what they were asked to justify yesterday. I do not blame Chris Harman or John Molyneux for this, because it is pretty obvious that they were not personally responsible for the old line. However, they are making a mistake in trying to draw a veil over the fact that the line until recently was seriously flawed. Why have the SWP now lost the Galloway and many of the Muslim activists in this socialist/Muslim coalition? Most of these have departed because they were only recruited to Respec in the first place because socialism, equality, trade unionism were take it or leave it positions. Harman is simply mistaken in implying in his article that support for socialism was a precondition for membership. Not only was this not the case, there was no definition of what it was supposed to mean, and has allowed Galloway to describe John Smith as a socialist, and has allowed Yaqoob to state that workers and employers share the same interests! And one of the Tower Hamlets councillors has defended trade unionism on the basis that we need all the trade we can get. The SWP have lost such people because this coalition was built on sand from the start. Harman, Molyneux etc have to start to come clean about this. That is not the whole story, however. The SWP have lost good people from their party and from Respect because there is a genuine problem with the way the SWP organise within broad workers’ parties: Socialist Alliance, the SSP, Respect and also Solidarity. The post-Galloway Respect will have even less chance of recruiting non-SWP members, given the nature of the split. The leaked document from the Scottish leadership suggest that a split in Solidarity is a real possibility. Only if Harman and Molyneux can persuade the SWP as a whole to accept that they bear a considerable degree of responsibility for the breakdown of relations with the rest of the organised left within the SA, Respect and now Solidarity will they have chance of contributing to putting things right.

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  45. “this socialist/Muslim coalition”

    If a Muslim in Respect is a socialist, which side of that forward slash does s/he fall on? Socialist or Muslim?

    In the small detail, as they say.

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  46. socialists are socialists. Their religion is irrelevant. This coalition was, however, justified as a coalition between socialists and Muslims. If the Muslims in question were socialists, then they could not be part of the Muslim component of this coalition. The basis upon which Respect was built was one that called for Muslims to join regardless of their attitude towards socialism. Harman is now, correctly, calling for socialism to be a precondition for membership of Respect. However, he is failing to address the fact that those who were in the leadership of the SWP prior to the crisis in Respect demanded the exact opposite of this. That is why Yaqoob’s review of Harman’s article insists that Muslims of all classes back Respect, which clearly they would not do if they beleived Respect took it’s commitment to socialism seriously. It is why Yaqoob says that employers and employees have the same interests, which no genuine socialist believes. The coalition between socialists and Muslims only makes sense to those who were recrutinng on the basis of reruiting Muslims as Muslims, regardless of their class or of their politics. Harman, Molyneux and the rest of those now at the helm of the SWP realise that this was a nonsense position. Unfortunately, they are not addressing the error that was committted by the SWP leadership prior to Galloway’s letter. In Scotland, the SWP tried to mobilise as a block at our first conference to deprive us of a constitution unless we accepted their insistance that Solidarity allowed non-socialists to join. Solidarity was almost still born because the SWP demanded precisely the things that they now insist (correctly) should not exist in Respect: tollerance of alien class forces, alongside their reactionary politics. The SWP blinked first. Solidarity did not split because the SWP chose to abstain. In the SWP’s Scottish leadership document, they insist that Solidarity is too left-wing, and there is the obvious implication that they will split unless the rest of us agree to their attitude towards the united front. However, this attitude has lead to serious problems that has lead to the loss of our Glasgow councillor and our Glasgow organiser. Their mistaken attitude towards the united front in Respect and in Solidarity will lead to further splits in both organisations, unless they accept that the broad party of SOCIALISTS that unites in elections is not a united front. The kind of caucusing that members of the broad party can go in for in the trade unions, STWC, colleges, anti-racist movement can only be acceptable inside the broad party when those who mobilise in this way don’t constitute a majority. To the extent that the SWP is a majority inside Respect or Solidarity, they need to win votes by means of politics, and persuasion. They need to bring non-SWP members into the decision making process. Harman’s article, unfortunately, by refusing to accept the mistakes in the SA, SSP, Respect and Solidarity, is an inadequate document. More work needs to be done.

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  47. Socialists who have joined Respect Renewal have made a mistake. This is not the answer to the problems posed by the SWP’s mistakes. It is the continuation of the house built on sand that was the original coalition between Muslims and socialists, but with the socialist wing now virtually absent. These people constitute no more than a socialist figleaf on what is essentially a Muslim bloc that recrutis Muslims as Muslims, regardless of their class or politics, and who canvass for votes on that basis. The figleaf will be discarded before too long. And yet another party of naked capitalism will stand alongside all the others. However, the post-Galloway Respect is not out of the woods yet. Harman and Molyneux have a long way to go before they can begin to recruit to Respect. They need to recognise that a broad workers’ party is not a united front in the Leninist and Trotskyist sense. Within the SA, SSP, Respect and Solidarity, the SWP has adopted a mistaken approach. The kind of united front that the SWP has supported has been the united front from below of third period Stalinism and the Bordigists, both of which allowed fascists to come to power. The united front has to be one which drags the leaders of large working class organisations into the frame. These people have to have pressure placed upon them. Either they mobilise their own troops or else they expose themselves as not serious when they pose as defenders of working class unity in defence of working class gains. This is not how the SWP have approached other organisations in the SA, SSP, Respect and Solidarity. Unfortunately, they have sought to undermine all those who have used organisation to win votes. The only time this did not cause a problem was inside the SSP. That is because they lacked the numerical strength to impose their will. They simply lost votes because the rest of the party’s activstis, and larger fees-paying membership outnumbered them. Within Solidarity, however, they constitute a far greater percentage of our activists, and our party is suffering in the same way that the SA suffered. Lack of commitment by the SWP is leading to the lose of good socialists. The only way we in Scotland can get out of this split dynamic is if the SWP allows Solidarity to become a dynamic organisation that mobilises between elections, rather than an ad hoc electoral pact. Decision making bodies such as conference, national steering committee and branc meetings have to be places where decisions either are made without prior caucussing or else such caucussing is allowed for those whose organisation does not constitute the kind of power that reduces the decision making body to a rubber stamp. The broad party needs a paper. Candidates for the council, Westminster, Holyrood, Strassbourg etc have to be bound by democratic policy. The SWP has to lighten up and allow others to set up their own organisations to fight for their positions within broad workers’ parties. In the absense of these changes in attitude in Scotland, England and Wales, Respect and Solidarity will split. Far from being able to repair the damage, the SWP will make matters worse.

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  48. Tony Greenstein Avatar
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    I was always opposed to the formation of Respect, not least because of its explicity electoral orientation to the Muslim community, which was inevitably cross class. Nontheless it has had some success in its project.

    Anna Chen’s article was spot on. The SWP destroyed the Socialist Alliance. There was no debate as to what should happen, they used force of numbers to wind it up. This is their method, packing meetings to enforce a decision reached elsewhere.

    It is also unfortunate that Alan Thornett went along with this. I can remember arguing vociferously at an SA national committee in Birmingham against John Rees’s cross class line and being assailed outside the meeting by Alan Thornett, not because of what I said, but because I wasn’t an elected delegate from Brighton SA (in fact Brighton had never elected delegates!).

    What the SWP have done in Respect is what they have done in all broad left alliances. Ensured that they had bureaucratic control in order to undemocratically control the organisation and use that control to ensure that the SWP was firmly entrenched. When they decide that the SWP is no longer getting anything from that group, and bear in mind that 3 years is a long time for them, then they destroy the organisation or attempt to do so.

    So my sympathies are entirely with RR. It is no accident, as Andy says, that virtually the entire non-aligned left in Respect has opposed the SWP because it is obvious to all but the blind that the SWP CC took a decision to withdraw from Respect and then scrabbled around to find sufficient excuses – in this case a ‘witchhunt’ against the SWP.

    I do incidentally find the allegations of ‘communalism’ by the SWP amusing. I have made such an accusation myself, not in terms of Far East politics but in terms of a specific orientation to one particular community for electoral reasons. But in Brighton the SWP, which is doing its best to destroy the local Sussex Action for Peace, insisted that the priority should be ‘Islamaphobia’ (I hate the term – anti-Muslim racism seems more accurate and less religiously loaded) and for every demo would leaflet every Mosque in the area. Now that Respect has split we haven’t heard a word about ‘Islamaphobia’.

    I can’t imagine why!

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  49. Tony Greenstein is wide of the mark I think when he agrees with Andy Newman about the reasons most of the non-swp socialists moved to RR; apart from the ISG (DELETED – LIAM) the non-swp socialists in respect were largely ex-SWPers -who share ‘frozen in time’ SWP politics and methods with deep loathing for the organisation. Quite why socialists should want to line up with galloway is beyond me and always has been, but I suppose for the ex-swpers anyone who can give rees/harman/german a bloody nose is good enough.

    Tom is largely correct that the SWP’s position on respect is correct now rather than previously and that should be welcomed. As he says leadership should be pushed to explain the previous positions but this shouldn’t become a barrier for genuine socialists working with them.

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  50. Liam said
    “YDNA, if the SWP is so right how come it has alienated the bulk of non SWP members inside what used to be Respect? ”
    Wishful thinking on your part which you’ll find out when it comes to you having to find canvassers or people to sell the “Renewal” paper (only managed 13 at the climate change demo,didn’t you?)
    Don’t you realise the split has barely existed outside the Respect leadership ?
    All you’ve got are some carreerist Tammanay Hall councillors , your opportunistic sect , a handful of bitter ex-swp’ers ,some celebs and a maverick ego-maniac who does what the hell he likes .
    Of course feel free to prove me wrong .
    If you can.

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  51. Juvenile Dwarf if the best you can manage is sneery abuse please leave your comments elsewhere or grow up.

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  52. Ooh! No come on . I asked for proof . I’m sick of these assertions of yours.
    Have you got any proof that the majority of non- SWP Respect members went with “renewal” or not .
    Come on . I genuinely want an answer.

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  53. Yes Liam, you must provide proof to the anonymous poster!

    Anonymous posters deserve all the credibility their names can muster.

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  54. Much though it pains me to respnd to the juvenile rant of a juvenile dwarf, may I just point out one, admittedly annectdotal, piece of eveidence to back up Liam.

    At North Manchester Respect ‘s last meeting in December, the Respect Renewal supported motion recieved 35 votes (including at least one in the SWP) and the SWP supported motion recieved 16 (all of whom were in the SWP including two who weren’t members of Respect).

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  55. Yes, but were they bitter ex-SWPers or celebs?

    (The network cabling at my last job was done by Steve Coogan’s brother. And that’s true.)

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  56. yes clive in north manchester well done the point is what other parts of the country does RR really exist?
    obviously east london, south b’ham and 8 people in bristol.
    clive. would be interested if you agree with Salma and GG re Ken Livingstone?

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  57. Harman’s article, Yaqoob’s and Thornett’s replies, and other documents will be published in a new book:
    http://resistancebooks.blogspot.com/2008/01/respect-document-of-crisis.html

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  58. 8 people in Bristol???

    And the rest.

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