This is a slightly trimmed down version of a document agreed at a meeting of Socialist Resistance supporters at the weekend.

The Respect Renewal conference was a very big success. It was an up-beat event with an air of liberation and something of a reunion with a significant number of activists who had dropped out at various stages since the end of the Socialist Alliance as well as some who had not been involved in such an initiative previously.

Creating RR out of the wreckage of the old Respect was a remarkable achievement by any standards. Separating virtually the whole of the non-SWP Respect from the SWP in the course of a crisis created by the SWP could hardly have been predicted. It is a measure of the political crisis of the SWP that so many people drew the conclusion that the SWP were not, in the foreseeable future, capable of being at the centre of building a pluralist alternative ­ either as a party or an a coalition. For many it had been cumulative experience. The SWP were seen as serial offenders in terms of their undemocratic domination of such organisations.

The way we acted as a current had a positive effect on the course of events, in particular the role we were able to play in the debate which raged on throughout the course of the split. Along with some of those breaking from the SWP, and others like Salma Yaqoob, we won the debate in a confrontation created by them.

The task for RR now is to spread out from the strong areas it won in the split and become a national organisation. It is too early to judge how successful Respect Renewal can be, the signs are good, but it remains extremely fragile.

It will not be easy to build without the foot-soldiers the SWP can provide. Respect Renewal will, therefore, have to be a very different organisation to the old Respect. It will have to rely much more on its political profile than its foot soldiers.


This therefore places a much greater political responsibility on us than we have had in the past. We now have to be a material part of building RR, discussing its political line and implementing it, building its events and resolving problems as they arise. This can only be done if we can turn the whole of our current around this task. It cannot be done by the small numbers we had active in the old Respect.
At the moment RR¹s geographical spread is mainly related to where there were significant groups of independents who remained active in the former Respect branches. Where the Respect branches were exclusively or predominantly SWP then little have changed ­ and there is no doubt that that was a lot of branches.

This leaves RR a limited but important geographical spread. There are fairly well established branches in Tower Hamlets, Newham, Birmingham, Manchester and Bristol with branches in formation in Southwark, Lewisham, Islington/Camden, Haringey, Cambridge, Milton Keynes, Oxford, Brighton and South Dorset.

Good progress has been made towards consolidation in the main areas. This has been the case in Manchester and Birmingham but also in Tower Hamlets where better organisation and a better relationship with the councillors has been established than was previously the case. In fact steps are being taken to organise the councillors which were never taken in the old Respect.

The leading bodies have worked very well. The Organising Committee (essentially the executive) meets every Monday and functions very well. Nick Wrack is the National Secretary and Linda Smith remains the national chair. The National Council has met twice, once as the 19 core members and the second time with the co-opted members ­ which took it to a meeting of about 50. The most impressive feature of the meeting was the TH delegation, which was young and vigorous and very involved. There was a very positive and optimistic atmosphere.

It is crucial to the future development of RR that we get the paper right and that it continues to be produced.

An important discussion at the recent NC was on the GLA. There was not much discussion on the mayor other than to decide that RR would not put a candidate forward and that there would be a future discussion as to who we should support. The important decision taken was to launch an appeal for a broad list for the assembly aimed in particular at the trade union left. This might be difficult to achieve but the general view was that RR needs to be seen to be reaching out to the rest of the left even if the response at this stage is limited.

Since then, however, a big debate has emerged around Livingstone. There is now a Thatcherite witch-hunt against orchestrated by the media, in particular the Evening Standard. It is in effect the Johnson election campaign. This has provoked George Galloway to launch, quite rightly a big defence of Livingstone against this attack and to link this not only to the broad candidacy for the Assembly but also to call for a vote for Livingstone ­ he has written an article for the paper to this effect.

We need to make it very clear where we stand on this. In fact the SR SC has commissioned as article for the web site to spell out our position. First of all we have to oppose the witch hunt not least because it is a witch hunt against the whole of the left including us. We should oppose giving Livingstone any political support for all the obvious reasons but be prepared to support him against Johnson through our second (transferable) vote. There seems to be confusion in the GG article about this there is no reason to imply a first vote for Livingstone in order to defend him against the right. In the circumstances of this particular election it is only possible to give one vote to Livingstone. A first or second preference vote have political significance but no practical significance since in you can only vote for Livingstone once. And in terms of a vote against Johnson the first and second votes have equal weight. We should therefore vote for a credible candidate of the left if there is one and cast a second preference for Livingstone.
And of course beyond this kind of recomposition is the wider issue of bringing people in to the new Respect who were never prepared to come into the old one ­- in particular the CPB and the trade union left. It is true that the conditions of a split are not the most favourable for this, but these people are not naïve and there may well be possibilities even short to medium term ones, especially since a major obstacle to any such discussions and collaboration was the passive and conservative attitude of the SWP leadership, which clearly did not want to include any additional political rivals in the leadership of Respect, and did little to draw the RMT or CPB into discussion. It has certainly been informally agreed that achieving this has to have a completely different priority than was the case before.

Tasks for building Respect Renewal:
1) We have to ensure that all our members and supporters are properly signed up to RR.

2) We have to take the initiative and build local branches everywhere it is possible.

3) We have to promote, sell, and write for the paper.

 

4) We have to ensure that we therefore allocate sufficient resources nationally and locally to be part of the leadership as well as the branches of RR

 

5) We have to give time and attention to the political development of RR and to the debates around this.

52 responses to “Building Respect Renewal: Trotskyite masterplan revealed”

  1. So you are supporting Sian Berry for first pref then?

    We should therefore vote for a credible candidate of the left if there is one and cast a second preference for Livingstone.

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  2. No, Liam’s friends want to curry favour with the working class of London. They do so by casting their first preference for Respect’s London Mayoral candidate, Lindsey German. Unlike you, Andy, Liam does not consider an advocate of scabbing and cover-ups by the police of shooting innocent foreigners credible socialist politics.

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  3. I am not sure if Respect has endorsed a second preference vote for Livingstone. However, I am pretty clear that they will before too long. And I would recommend making it sooner. The witch hunt is significant. Socialists cannot abstain from the resistance to this witch hunt. Respect has to be a key component of this witch hunt. A victory for Johnstone would be a blow for all those who support the many progressive causes Livingstone has supported over the years. The witch hunt has been orchestrated by hard-right wing forces, and it has a realistic prospect of actualy unseating Livingstone. This is not, however, an argument against Respect withdrawing from the race. It is, however, a powerful argument against equivocation on what to do about a second preference vote. Make it abundantly clear to the electoate that Respect does not view the contest between Livingstone and Johnstone with disdain. Make clear that Respect very much takes sides. Make it clear that entering the race is not to help Johnstone unseat Livingstone. It is to make it clear to Livingstone that his limitations have been noticed by his working class constitutents, and we are far from happy. He cannot take our vote for granted. And the more substantial first preference votes for her, the less prone he will be to march to the drum of big business and the unaccountable forces of the state.

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  4. before someone draws attention to an embarrasing typo, I have just spotted it. When I wrote “Respect has to be a key component of this witch hunt”, I did of course mean of the resistance to said witch hunt.

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  5. Who is Sian Berry ?

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  6. It probably a stupid question but what is Socialist Resistance now? I know it was originally set up as a non-aligned newspaper for some leftist Respect members with a list of “celebrity” endorsers outside the ISG. However, since the paper has been closed down and transformed into the paper of Respect Renewal, how can it have supporters and a steering committee? Is it just another name for the ISG now?

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    Liam Can you calrify further what Socialist Resistance means by this:

    “We should therefore vote for a credible candidate of the left if there is one and cast a second preference for Livingstone”.

    Is this call to vote for Lindsey German or Sian Berry or who?

    Personaly I cant see anyone who I would clasify as ‘creditable” (and as you say ‘if there is one’) in the current circumstances with a clear right wiing daily witch hunt against Livingstone and by implication ALL the left (and I think this is a key issue – its the more left wing policies of Livingstome that are under attack while the right wing of the Labour Party remain very silent).

    I am convinced the election wil be very dirty, very close and will dominate the media for many weeks not just in London but across the UK so the stand RESPECT Renewal makes is VERY important. and may well determine if we grow in the next year or so and attract others on the left.

    For the left and RESPECT Renewal the fight for election to the GLA Assembly is the key battleground where alternative left views to the left of’ ‘New Labour’ can be fought for and actively campaigned for on the ground with East London being a strong point from which we storm into the whole of London East and Dagenham (or at least we should try).

    Neil

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  8. Sian Berry is the Green party candidate. She is a socialist, and a supporter of the Grren Left group.

    My reading of the situation is that the Green party in LOndon is minded to issue a secnd pref recommendation but will make such a decision nearer the time when ti will have more media impact.

    I think in the case of the Greens it is probably true that they are not directly competeing with Labour’s constituency, and they may actually increase the number of secinds prefs Ken gets.

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  9. Andy,

    In what sense is Sian Berry a socialist. As well as being a public-school oxbridge toff she doesn’t appear to have said or done anything remotely socialist, been a union activist, anything apart from slag off jeremy clarkson.

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  10. Neil, even though no one in SR got a Christmas card from Lindsey German she is a prominent leader of an important mass movement and an advocate of class struggle. If she stands we will call for a first preference vote for her. We will advise our legions of supporters to give their second vote to Livingstone to prevent Johnson getting elected. There will be a much more detailed statement on this in the next day or two.

    We haven’t given any consideration to supporting Sian Berry because we’ve assumed that LG will be standing.

    Martin do you have anything pleasant to say about anyone?

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  11. Liam askes: “Martin do you have anything pleasant to say about anyone?”

    To be fair Martin Ohr has defended jim Denham

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  12. I’d hate to see Andy being unfair…

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  13. “Ooh, racist, racist”. Grow up.

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  14. This was for me a significant line:

    “It will not be easy to build without the foot-soldiers the SWP can provide. Respect Renewal will, therefore, have to be a very different organisation to the old Respect. It will have to rely much more on its political profile than its foot soldiers”

    And Andy’s statement that in the case of the Greens all arguments by supporters of Lyndsey are true, but not in the case of supporters of Lyndsey, had a certain twisted stalinist snakeoil charm about it, it has to be said.

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  15. profile without footsoldiers is surely likely to deepen some of the problems which Liam was previously (one sidedly) obsessed by. Ger asked for a serious response to Salma’s piece, and after a few stabs I thought this summed up the reasons for my unease about it, in particular the attempts to refute Chris’s points about electoralism and the dangers of clientalist politics:

    Ger,
    Your 100 per cent correct that the inability to dispense benefits would be a serious barrier to the consolidation of that kind of a structure (ie tammeny hall etc). However my point would be that, first of all, these kinds of politics almost invariably emerge in situations where people are marginalised and oppressed (from Glasgow to Dundee to Belfast to the Labour Party establishments in inner city areas).

    Typically they don’t emerge in places like Kensington (where corruption tends to be higher level).
    Secondly that, closely connected with the emergence of these kinds of politics, notions of community are highly structured by the way in which prominant members of such communities (whether socially, religously or politically it doesn’t really matter) are seen by many to provide a kind of umbrella and protection of a community more widely despised. In other words internal differentiation is often seen as secondary by the oppressed. But, again, typically, this is the source of the kinds of politics we are discussing not a departure from them.

    Typically it becomes the bane of the left both inside and outside the community (from Northern Ireland to our own inner city areas). The best will understand both things, its roots in marginalisation and oppression and on the other hand the pull away from any politics of confrontation with the establishment, not just inside the community but outside it to. In the end the product is a sonorous editorial by Roy Hattersly.

    Now my understanding of the kind of politics that developed around these questions in the 1980’s was that a section of activists (typically blooded in the confrontations around racism of the late 1970’s) attempted to use the then burdgening Labour left as a base from which to attack the Labour establishment. This involved campaigns around specific issues as well as, importantly, sources of funding. Even here the balence was always been fighting campaigns and on the other hand seeking to use left patronage against right patronage. In the end this strategy failed.

    The enourmous bitterness of a generation of activists from this period is something that the Respect project had to face when setting up its stall for the first time: the accusations about a departure from secularism etc.

    Now I think Salma’s article is obviously a rebuttal of the SWP’s understanding of the roots of the tensions inside Respect. Its therefore unfair probably to accuse it of being one sided in the sense that its a polemic and polemics are one sided by their nature.

    But to take up Ger’s point about this absence of Resources, well, this doesn’t mean an absence of dangers, in some ways it heightens them. Because if you have very little to dispense its the little things that become the focus. In the case of arguments about selection for example these become important out of all proportion to their wider significance.

    Its a good thing for Respect to have made so much headway that dissatisfied careerists from other parties start approaching us for tickets. But given how small we were and are, given how precarious our wider position is in politics, and given the structural tendencies referred to above, rooted in the functioning of local politics and its relationship to marginalised communities over generations, the idea that Ger or Salma’s principles, or indeed tactical ruminations, will trump these tendencies is a moot point.

    I think its simply a misunderstanding of Chris Harman’s article to think he is accusing Salma of being ‘communal’. He’s talking about the pressures of local politics and how these tendencies manifest themselves. And, as I said, it just IS a bit disturbing if, in what is a very powerful and logically argued piece, these tendencies are not only not mentioned, but treated as if they are impossible in principle due either to the marginalisation of the community or the absence of resources of Respect.

    Where, I would ask, do people think communalism and clientalism come from historically? Precisly from marginalisation and an absence of resources.
    Its a real danger and there is nothing wrong with pointing this out.

    (I would add here it is a peculiarly strong danger at present with the weaknesses caused by the split, which neccessitates concentrating on profile rather then ‘footsoldiers’. I am beginning to ponder the sanity and not just the politics of the ISG).

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  16. What, who or where is “Northern Ireland”?

    Socialists generally refer to the north of Ireland, the north or the six counties. The other phrase is used by imperialists, liberals and unionists none of whom are this site’s target audience.

    More linguistic precision please!

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  17. I’m pleased to hear that ISG/SR have continued to defend Respect’s almost unaminously agreed stance (pre-split) that it is right to stand a socialist candidate for Mayor.

    One of the things that worries me, is that Respect Renewal’s opportunist lurch towards Ken Livingstone actually further closes the door on any re-unification of Respect/

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  18. Linguistic incompetetance is a carefully nurtured talent of mine, and in any case has nothing whatsoever to do with the matter under discussion. In terms of the discussion of Livingstone, anyone who chooses can draw the connection between what I said, and one reason why there should be a sudden reluctance to stand for mayor.

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  19. ‘….Respect Renewal’s opportunist lurch towards Ken Livingstone actually further closes the door on any re-unification of Respect’.(Adamski)

    I dont think so. “Reunification”…you must be joking!

    Somehow, I dont think you have quite grasped the full nature and severity of the Respect split.

    Why do so many so called socialists lack any real degree of realism and the ability of giving ‘critical’ support. Politics is messy .

    It requires dealing with it reality as it is at present. so much of this purist dogmatism makes for nothing but irrelevance.

    On the subject of Sian Berry and the Green party. She might well regard herself as a socialist and be part of Green Left but when I last heard her announcement as mayoral candidate for London it was one of the most painfully naive and excruciatingly embaressing apolitical comments I’ve ever heard.Sorry but Green Left have a long long way to go to gain any kind of real credibility as a genuinely socialist organisation.

    Then again it all depends on how we all define Socialism and how we present that idea.

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  20. Personally I don’t understand why anyone continues to support Lindsey G’s candidacy now. Not least the SWP. Surely the purpose of it – insofar as it had a purpose – was to rally support for a new “broad” party of the left.
    That collapsed alongside the split.
    Now that everyone knows that the SWP’s Respect is the very antithesis of that, i.e. they can’t even pretend its really an independent organisation, I don’t know why they don’t just dump it. German’s candidacy won’t do them any good, she’ll get a pitiful vote and will not rally anyone around their organisation into the run up to the vote. She can’t even use the name. From every angle you look at it – even in terms of the SWP – its a mistake.
    As for the rest of us, we’ve seen how the SWP used Respect, we know that she’ll stand on some semi-reformist platform, we know the vote will be pitiful – she will not serrve as a rallying point for opposition to Labour, she is not worthy of anyone else’s vote either.
    My personal view is that the correct thing to do is vote for Livingstone as evidently there are continued illusions in him, and these illusions need to be put to the test.
    With no vote for German or the Greens.
    As for the GLA elections its difficult to know the ins and outs, I’ll reserve judgement for a little longer, but I’m inclined to say vote Labour and not GG’s gaggle of assorted “progressives.”

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  21. johng

    What an embarrassing article. Nowhere does it seek to ground itself in any assessment of the movement, the working class and the strategic orientation revolutionaries should have (the paper is not talking to the masses in London but to the Party and its periphery).

    There was a time when our tradition could have launched a more devastating refutation of the anti-Livignstone witch-hunt that City Hall.

    There’s no sense of direction in any of this – or the CiF article from German would not have been written.

    It’s getting worse, John. Time to call a halt.

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  22. “If (Lindsey German) stands we will call for a first preference vote for her.”

    Good to hear it Liam. What a shame that other so-called socialists (who were in the same party as her five minutes ago) find this so hard to swallow.

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  23. Liam, will you putting a motion into the RR NC demanding that Linda Smith signs LG nomination form?

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  24. Kevin,

    I think its about right really. More importantly, it is vital that the left stand and now, clearly, this is a position that has to be fought for even amongst those who previously were forthright in these arguments. So we’re starting a bit behind. But we’ve got the launch meeting this thursday and we’re determined to push ahead.

    The article written as recently as April, jointly with George, in the Morning Star, was an excellent refutation of the kinds of arguments now doing the rounds. We have not shifted. It was sad and frustrating to see George’s call for unity in the Morning Star, given that it comes off the back of splitting a movement designed precisely for the purposes he calls for, and now, scuppering an attempt to do the same (in reality the mayoral contest is a vital part of any high profile challenge).

    Its spiteful, bitter, childish politics and (I really mean this, not simply as an insult) beneath him. Beneath him in the sense that he’s better then that.

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  25. Martin, even if I were on the NC I wouldn’t do that. We are no longer in the same organisation as LG and my strong impression was that we were never terribly welcome when we were.

    If she wants to stand using the Respect name she will have to negotiate with the appropriate bodies of RR. However since the old Respect no longer exists it may be more useful in the long term to stand under a different name.

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  26. er, no she won’t.

    Here is the SW editorial:

    http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=14045

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  27. JOhn

    As things stand, Lindsey will NOT be the official Respect candidate. The party name and logo cannot appear on the ballot paper.

    You are in a legal grey area if you even use the respect name and logo on election material purporting to be the Rrespect candidates. I suspect that one of the other candidates may object to the returning officer.

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  28. We are not going to allow the arguments presented by Galloway and German in the Morning Star to be frittered away in this ludicrous spat.

    Also we have a different terminology for ‘foot soldiers’. We call them socialists and comrades. And they’re the people who build the movement. Ultimately thats where these arguments will be resolved.

    There has been no ruling other then that the EC have refused to intervene. I’m sure that all concerned are looking into legal aspects and what goes on in blogs is quite irrelevent to that process.

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  29. PPERA section 22, “Parties to be registered in order to field candidates at elections”

    (1) Subject to subsection (4), no nomination may be made in relation to a relevant election unless the nomination is in respect of—

    (a) a person who stands for election in the name of a qualifying registered party; or

    (b) a person who does not purport to represent any party; or

    (c) a qualifying registered party, where the election is one for which registered parties may be nominated.

    Subsection 4 exempts ‘parish or community’ elections.

    If Lindsey German stands as the RESPECT candidate – or as a RESPECT member, or as anything other than an independent – and if her nomination hasn’t been signed off by Linda Smith, then she’ll be breaking the law.

    I’m not particularly happy about this – I’d like to see a left candidate for Mayor – but it is the law.

    The two sides need to sit down and work something out. (Some of us have been saying that for a while.)

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  30. There has been no ruling other then that the EC have refused to intervene.

    Sorry, John, but that’s just idiotic. There has been no ruling other than that Linda Smith remains the nominating officer until she agrees to stand down, or is formally and validly expelled from RESPECT. Which means that there has been no ruling, other than that RESPECT/SWP can’t contest anything bigger than a parish council without the agreement of someone they’ve been systematically alienating and antagonising for the last three months.

    Other than that, everything’s fine.

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  31. “systematically alienating and antagonising”

    So your suggesting that taking the project foward outlined in German’s and Galloway’s letter should be held up according to the whims of an individual?

    I don’t think so.

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  32. It might be a different thing of course if there was any non-blog evidence of any attempt to take the project foward on the RR side. Aside of course from small groups of ISG members hanging around properly constituted Respect meetings trying to entice ‘the foot soldiers’. (incredibly this was the sum total of one of the ‘branches’ claimed by Liam above). Aside from that its just a bunch of nastiness on SUN.

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  33. your suggesting that taking the project foward outlined in German’s and Galloway’s letter should be held up according to the whims of an individual?

    ‘Whims’? That’s beneath you, John.

    I’m suggesting that actions have consequences. After the way that Linda Smith’s concerns have been treated – let alone the way she’s been slandered personally – it would be the height of arrogance for Rees to imagine that she’ll come running when he calls. And of course it’s not just Smith, any more than the responsibility on the RESPECT/SWP side is all with Rees.

    Don’t get me wrong, it would be out of line for Smith to make unreasonable preconditions (understandable maybe, but still out of line) – but as I understand it all she’s asking for is a resumption of the interrupted negotiations between RR and RESPECT/SWP. Which seems distinctly sensible, really – I can’t see what anyone gains from the current stalemate.

    It might be a different thing of course if there was any non-blog evidence of any attempt to take the project foward on the RR side.

    Apart from Tower Hamlets, Birmingham and North Manchester – but obviously they don’t count, because, er…

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  34. John I’ve read the article.”Respect’s Lindsey German” is subtly different from “Respect’s mayoral candidate”. She could equally validly call herself “STWC’s LG”. The absence of “candidate” is hinting at something.

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  35. Liam,

    I guess you’re saying that Lindsey could call herself ‘STWC’s on the recognition factor basis; and that she wasn’t the STWC candidate as they aren’t standing anyone?
    I can’t see that that would be a let out for Respect-SWP for the election and I guess you don’t either.
    It certainly smacks of deception and desperation, but all this is highly speculative.
    Now that the EC have made their positon clear it really should alter things decisively. Or does it ?

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  36. Linda Smith has not been slandered personally by the SWP. You really mustn’t take the hysterical tirades on SUN as indicative of anything but hysterical tirades on SUN. What happened was that at a closed conference there was an argument about why we were not opposing the witchhunt of Linda Smith. This was a very heated argument because the person saying this was someone who disagreed violently with the CC position on the split (and obviously the whole discussion was heated, denizens of SUN hardly being in a position to complain about heated arguments).

    It was pointed out that we had been asked NOT to intervene and it was explained why. In the context of that argument its hard to see that those concerned could not have replied and could not have explained.

    This is then taken up with enourmous enthusiasm on SUN and leaked everywhere with the slander that we are slandering Linda Smith etc. This is entirely the product of what Galloway referred to as blogarama madness. Of course then you have arguments to the effect that it was only mentioned to send ‘signals’ etc.

    The evidence for this being a single person mentioning it on Andy’s blog in the midst of a barrage of what has to be the single most unpleasent excercise of personalised sectariana that I can remember in two decades on the British left, but which for reasons utterly mysterious to me, some find edifying.

    The fact is that no-one mentions this anymore aside from people on the RR side. So if it was an attempt to signal, and if allegations are being made that others have mentioned it, you have to say its pretty ineffectual signalling. All of these arguments are really attempts to prevent those activists who want a left alternative in London from making a challenge. That and vindictive personalised spitefulness, justified or not.

    As already stated, its beneath those concerned, whether or not they feel the SWP has been unfair. And they should rethink how they are conducting themselves.

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  37. Liam admits what Linda Smith cannot. ” We are no longer in the same organisation as LG.” When Linda Smith summons the guts to admit this fact to the Electoral Commission, they will send her an amended version of their previous letter: ex-members cannot stop members of their former party standing in elections under their own name. As for his claim that “the old Respect no longer exists it may be more useful in the long term to stand under a different name” that is incorrect. The old Respect does still exist. The resignation of Linda Smith, George Galloway, Andy Newman, Ger Francis, Kevin Ovenden, and even Liam has not destroyed the party. Respect will disppear in due course. But as part of the negotiations between Respect and the CNWP, and others.

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  38. The evidence for this being a single person mentioning it on Andy’s blog

    And mentioning it, and mentioning it, and mentioning it. “Does anyone know the truth about X? I just heard this rumour, I hope it’s not true, but it would be good to have it cleared up.” Wait half an hour and repeat. (“Why isn’t anyone answering my question about X?”)

    It was a scummy tactic, and it should have been stamped on quickly by someone identifiable on “jj”‘s side of the argument.

    All of these arguments are really attempts to prevent those activists who want a left alternative in London from making a challenge. That and vindictive personalised spitefulness, justified or not.

    As I said before, it would be out of line for Smith to make unreasonable preconditions (understandable maybe, but still out of line) – but as I understand it all she’s asking for is a resumption of the interrupted negotiations between RR and RESPECT/SWP. Which seems distinctly sensible, really – I can’t see what anyone gains from the current stalemate.

    But it’s not ‘personal spitefulness’ any more than it’s a ‘whim’. It’s a highly political shafting, which the shaftee has had the temerity to object to. And, as I said before, it’s not just Smith, any more than the responsibility on the RESPECT/SWP side is all with Rees.

    Don’t get me wrong,

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  39. …just generally don’t get me wrong, really. It’s not much to ask.

    (Ignore the last four words of the previous comment.)

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  40. I did consider it Phil, but given that the whole discussion was surrounded by the most bizarre abuse and distortions (and not just from a single commentator) I just ignored it in the midst of this barrage. Again though, you can attack me for things I didn’t say on a blog which I have no obligation to write to anyway, but this surely cannot be the basis for national level decisions or discussions of any kind?

    One person behaving in a deranged way on a blog. I’m glad you conceded this is the case though, and, if you concede that, you can surely see something slightly comical about that being the sole basis for these enourmously pompous declarations about the degenerate nature of the SWP as well as your original allegation of ‘slander’.

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  41. This is the part I find particulrly interesting:

    “And of course beyond this kind of recomposition is the wider issue of bringing people in to the new Respect who were never prepared to come into the old one ­- in particular the CPB and the trade union left. It is true that the conditions of a split are not the most favourable for this, but these people are not naïve and there may well be possibilities even short to medium term ones, especially since a major obstacle to any such discussions and collaboration was the passive and conservative attitude of the SWP leadership, which clearly did not want to include any additional political rivals in the leadership of Respect, and did little to draw the RMT or CPB into discussion. It has certainly been informally agreed that achieving this has to have a completely different priority than was the case before.”

    Liam and SR comrades, what evidence do you have that the RMT, CPB or the Labour Left have the slightest interest in working George Galloway’s Respect? As has been mentioned elsewhere, Bob Crow has not spoken to Galloway for months according to RMT comrades, the CPB voted at their last AGM against affiliation in the old Respect (of course they can change their minds, but where’s the evidence that they are even leaning this way?) and the labour left – well I suspect that would probably include the Labour Representation Committee and given that I am on the NC, I am not aware of any proposal to the NC by RR that we be, as you so humbly put it, “brought in’” to RR.

    In addition, RR comrades have not participated in any of the local initiatives or meetings of the LRC or Labour Left generally to my knowledge. While I did see one SR comrade at the abortion rights rally at parliament, your MP was (unsurprisingly) nowhere to be seen. On the contrary, I did see CPB members and those I have worked with in the LRC.

    The idea that these groups are close to or even considering joining Galloway’s Respect is the realm of mere fantasy. The fact that Galloway had to submit and ‘”open letter” for his so-called “progressive slate” shows how far from the truth these continued assertions that any of these groups have any interest in joining RR are.

    Of course, I would be happy to work with RR comrades on joint events and other progessive causes (like abortion rights), but there is no evidence that the RMT, CPB or LRC are going to ever join Respect Renewal no matter how much Galloway, SR and others wish it were so.

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  42. “Liam admits what Linda Smith cannot. ” We are no longer in the same organisation as LG.”

    LG is in the SWP, which is trying to disguise itself as Respect. Linda Smith is in Respect, and only Respect.

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  43. OK can someone clarify something for me? I had understood that the ruling did indeed say that Linda Smith was the one who was resonsible for nominations – but did the decision not also agree that the treasurer was still the treasurer and isn’t that person a member of the SWP Respect?

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  44. Yes. I think we’re all agreed the current situation is a bit of a mess and ought to be resolved. The main difference of opinion seems to be whether it should be resolved by people sitting down and talking to each other or by one group alternately insulting the other one and pretending it doesn’t exist. I go for option 1.

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  45. Option 1 makes sense to me!!!

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  46. Generally speaking though Phil, its pretty hard to sit down with someone who has witch hunted, repeatedly slandered you, and clearly wants to isolate you in the movement and then denies it and acts like the aggrieved victim. Anything RR does is just to damage us.Lets see some kind of sensible offer.

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  47. Generally speaking though Phil, its pretty hard to sit down with someone who has witch hunted, repeatedly slandered you, and clearly wants to isolate you in the movement and then denies it and acts like the aggrieved victim.

    I agree with that, although probably not in quite the sense you wrote it.

    Which is exactly why both sides should make the effort to come to the table, with no preconditions and in full awareness that there are some issues we’re never going to agree on.

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  48. A start would be for RR to support German in the London elections. No preconditions, just principled support for a socialist candidate. This does not require re-unification. What it does mean is that despite the split we build a left alternative to neo-liberalism and New Labour.

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  49. this is complete madness by the ISG. RR is clearly dominated by GG and whatever he says his paid fanclub of Ovenden repeats.
    KL should be givne a second preference after voting for a left alternative candidate nanmely German. I agree with Liam in this. The question is why have the ISG been silent at RR meetings, paper and nat exec (Non elected).
    Given the vitriol poured on the SWP by Liam about not all SWP members being members of Respect funny to dsee a demand of this tiny organisation arguing for all its members to join RR !!!!! AND demanding its tiny membership be active in it too!!! talk about pots and kettles!!!

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  50. I don’t think you’re going to get very far trying to rile Liam and his comrades about this. The fact that you’re trying says something about the SWP at the moment. What if Respect said you can take a range of positions over the London mayor. What would the criticism be then?

    Tell me honestly, jj, will German make it to polling day? What about Brum? Who’s the party getting behind? And what about Merseyside – is Rees’s friend standing?

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  51. The fact is that it doesn’t matter which socialist is standing in these elections. We should support them. If RR want to stand a candidate in an election then the SWP and all other socialists WILL support them. The only thing to avoid is competing for candidacies but I’m sure agreement can be reached in all cases.
    The split is a reality and we have to work with this at the moment but this doesn’t mean we abandon the original premise of Respect which is to build a left alliance. German is the candidate all socialists and anyone on the left should vote for. To do otherwise would be like shooting ourselves in the foot.

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