The younger members of Respect in Tower Hamlets are getting into the habit of rolling up to branch committee meetings, announcing that they intend to organise a public meeting and then doing it. There was the meeting on Palestine a few weeks ago and tonight about seventy people heard Abjol Miah, Yvonne Ridley and George Galloway speak in hall in Whitechapel.

This is quiteHall remarkable. In the old version of Respect every detail would have been micro-managed. Now the young comrades book the room, get the speakers, produce the publicity, build the event and run the meeting. It’s wonderful to watch. You can never be quite sure who is going to say what, there are no set piece hectoring speeches and the evening has the feel of something organised by a real party of committed amateurs who are learning by doing.

As is my custom I didn’t take notes so this reconstruction of what was said is bound to be a little imprecise.

Abjol Miah reminded the audience of Respect’s origins as an anti-war party. He remarked on how the imperialist war has made the situation of women immeasurably worse there. He drew some domestic political conclusions in his reply to a question from the floor when he referred to how the white working class has been let down by New Labour and posed Respect as a pole of attraction for them.

My hunch is that the headline from the meeting will be Yvonne Ridley’s “anti-Leninist tirade”. Either that or her assertion that she’s willing to start a riot if there’s an attack on Iran. Let’s deal with it. First the rioting – I’ll give £50 to the reader of this site who can convincingly prove that they’ve never indulged in a bit of polemical hyperbole. You can collect it from me at the SR stall in Trafalgar Square on Saturday. Anyway rioting is harder than it looks. The couple of times I tried it I was more of a danger to my side than the British Army. As for the “anti-Leninism” – she was making the point that Islamophobia is a big part of public discourse at the moment and that Islam is often presented as the root of many of the world’s problems. She wasn’t wrong when she remarked that the major human catastrophes of the 20th and 21st centuries were the work of non-Muslims. Her list included King Leopold of the Belgians (one bad bastard who doesn’t get slagged off enough), Stalin, Hitler, Picture 1531Pol Pot and Lenin. Most of the readers of this site would consider Lenin’s inclusion in that list proof of historical illiteracy. We would also accept that for most people outside the far left explaining the differences between Lenin and Stalin would be quite a challenge.

George Galloway was on strong form. The purpose of the meeting was to mobilise Respect supporters for Saturday’s demonstration and it’s unlikely that anyone who heard George’s speech will not be attending. The video will be up in due course so I won’t bother paraphrasing. There was some discussion about the upcoming GLA and mayoral elections with George making clear his support for Ken Livingstone but also explaining why he and the other Respect candidates are standing. You know the reasons already.

Tonight’s meeting was strong proof that in Tower Hamlets Respect has survived both as a credible electoral force and an organisation with an activist and anti-imperialist bent. The best part of all is that a new group of young and talented political fighters is growing out of it.

25 responses to “Respect Youth do it again (updated with video)”

  1. Abjol Miah certainly addressed the current anti-war leadership, “How do we move forward?” and his answer was to “create politics that is fused with foreign policy” for example putting “motions to local government for or against war.”

    It was a good meeting, room full, despite starting late, because of local traffic problems.

    For sure Yvonne Ridley’s comments raised a few laughs but could also grate with others.

    The test will be the upcoming GLA, and Weavers Ward election. There was no mention of the split and it will be interesting to see the results for both parties in May.

    “As is my custom I didn’t take notes so this reconstruction of what was said is bound to be a little imprecise.” “The video will be up in due course so I won’t bother paraphrasing.” LOL.

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  2. LOL?

    One can only take Tony at his word. He has promised to send me some pics and the video when it’s processed.

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  3. I’m glad it went well. Let’s hope we have a good demo on Sat. I’m getting quite excited in anticipation of it.

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  4. Like Liam I went to the meeting last night. Was very good, 70 for a local merting not at all bad ans showcased the 3 core defining characteristics of Respect as it shapes up to evolve into a party out of the SWP fallout.

    1. Anti-imperialist. Anyone who listended to Abjol, Yvonne and George on Iraq and Palestine having heard the SWP spin that these three were taking Respect rightwards would treat such an idea as the self-serving Ultra Left sectarianism it has been revealed to be.

    2. Local Turn. Abjol and George in particular articulated the crucial role of building a local base which results in winning council seats, MPs and London Assembly members. Abjol connected the beginnings of Respect in the anti-war movement to this community politics. Lets be honest, we are at the beginnings of this process but more than anything else this will shape Respect as a party really rooted in communities rather than the world of Planet Plackard .

    3. Muslim led. The best thing? Not the platform actually but who was there. This was a young, working-class, Muslim audience in the main. This is the community that Respect has emerged to represent and as a party must be shaped and led by that central experience. The white Left needs to take a back seat, helping out as required, but not seking to construct Respect in terms of its experience, jargon and culture.

    And finally, George put the Mayoral Election superbly. The only issue is , ‘Would you want that clown Boris managing London’, like it or not, anything else in terms of the Mayoral election is a distraction.

    Mark P

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  5. Brilliant, and well done to the young comrades who organised this.

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  6. “The white Left needs to take a back seat” – Mark, this is a really worrying statement. What on earth does this mean? Since when do people start indicating who and who cannot speak based on the colour of their skin???

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  7. So RR doesn’t have a position on voting for Ken?

    Except that Galloway calls for a vote for him in London, and Salma Yaqoob does in the Birmingham meeting. I’m sure we’ll see some of the Socialist Resistance people given equal space to argue for a Left vote. Not.

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  8. We also got two dozen people volunteering to work on Sunday in the Weavers ward where there will be a byelection, most likely on 1 May. The first leaflets are going out about now.

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  9. “The white Left needs to take a back seat”

    Tami. Its not a worrying position at all.

    (Incidentally, where did I say people couldn’t speak on the basis of the colour of their skin? Though, listening of course is just as necessary as speaking. Generally leftists are superlative at the latter, piss poor at the former.)

    For far too long a white dominated Left has presumerd it knew all there is to know about racism. It said all the right things of course whilst its organisations, values, leadership remained virtually unchanged. What is refreshing about parts of Respect is that it is Black led, mainly young Muslim men and women. That should result in the organisatiion itself changing so it doesn’t replicate itself as either Old Labour nor indeed a nicified version of a post SWP Far Left grouplet.

    None of that will be possible if white (and mainly male) leftists cling on to their positions with the tenacity that they usally do. Instead what is required is a culture of listening, learning and changing. For me, last night was another hopeful sign of the possibilities if we grasp that opportunity.

    Mark P

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  10. MarkP, you have a great meeting, 70 people turn up which is a good turn-out, it’s a lively debate and the politics are focusing on anti-imperialism. Then you go and polarise it by pulling out your Swappie stick and moaning about white lefties?

    Why not focus on the anti-war theme of the meeting and the possiblity of building a left alliance?

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  11. ‘Puling out your Swappie stick’

    Sorry you lost me there. As for the fantasy politics of a ‘building a left alliance’, yeah, yeah, heard that one before, what for the past 40 years and its got us where?

    Respect, if it is to succeeed will break with these platitudes and slogans and be shaped and led by the community from which it has grown. If the white left cannot bear to be anywhere except in the leadership then thats it’s problem, no one else’s. i cannot for the life of me see what is wrong with a Left that has singularly failed to effect any kind of electoral breakthrough in 12 years of Blairite-Brownism actually taking some time to listen and learn from those who succeeed in forming some kind of community base. What is the problem with that?

    Mark P

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  12. If Mark P is putting forward an analyis that a radical “left of labour” movement can only be built in specific communities that would be a dead end for those serious about building an alternative to New Labour.

    By all means recognise the impact of the War on Terror and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan fractured the relationship between a substantial section of the Muslim community and Labour and provided an opportunity for the radical left to build something new. But such a constituency, however valuable, will only be a part of of the re-building of the left.

    There have neen 9 meetings today and yesterday, attended by 4,000 Birmingham council workers who voted near unanimously to continue strike action. The left needs to build here too.

    Despite the fact the meetings took place in two wards Respect Renewal are standing candidates, they made no intervention whatsoever.

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  13. do anyone speak in defence of lenin and the bolsheviks, explaining their anti-imperialist record and that they stood for genuine workers’ democracy?

    ks

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  14. Don’t want to sound a dissonant note, but I always find it a little odd when people from big cities boast of meetings with about 70 people. I mean when I was an SWP member we had the odd public meeting of that size. Our last Respect Public Meeting (on Palestine) was around 80-100 people, the majority of them young people, and we didn’t have any high profile speakers on the platform! And our group is probably smaller than yours!

    It seems that Qutb is okay for Yvonne but Lenin is out! Strange how bashing the revolutionary socialist tradition has become commonplace in RR.

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  15. Yes but Adamski, those 80-100 included members of the SWP and those that are happy to work alongside them, and therefore they are the ‘unpeople’ and don’t count.

    So glad I don’t have to put up with the anti-left ramblings of Yvonne Ridley anymore!

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  16. As for the extremely divisive plea for ‘the white left to take a back seat’ – there are no words.

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  17. Mark, you seem to believe that non-white people can’t or shouldn’t be socialists. The black nationalist movement of the 60’s adopted socialist principles to challenge the state and win equal rights. Without the joining together of socialists and liberation movements to fight for equal rights for black people, gays and women we would still be treated like second class citizens.

    I suggest you read Kevin Ovendens book, “Malcolm X: Socialism and Black Nationalism”.

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  18. The remarkable thing about yesterday’s meeting is that because the printing company had a major equipment breakdown, *no* leaflets were distributed for the meeting at all.

    There ended up close to 80 people at the last headcount. Most came through word of mouth, most weren’t Respect members, and there was a good range of age, gender and religion.

    To hold a meeting with zero street publicity and get 80 people, when the traffic nightmare made a number of people give up and go home (a main road was shut and it took an hour just to get from one side of the borough to the other) – that’s impressive.

    I’ve been around enough SWP meetings, since people like DCM raise it, to know that they just couldn’t pull that kind of audience with the only publicity being by email and Facebook. Even in the RMT we can’t pull that sort of audience.

    These guys are to be congratulated. A load of things went wrong, but they still got 80 people. That’s impressive.

    At another meeting organised today by Ian Drummond at SOAS, the SWP turned out in force to try to fuck the meeting up. They warmly supported the AWL’s attacks on George Galloway and took a real ultra-left turn when discussing the elections. They sent two full-timers into the meeting.

    The SWP supporters in this thread might want to pause for a moment and wonder why we’re so positive about the meetings we organise, yet their people turn up to try to ruin them.

    Liam: Photos and video to follow.

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  19. As for Mark P’s comments, it should be uncontroversial for anyone who calls themselves a socialist to say that we should be doing our best to bring a new generation of activists forward and that this will necessarily mean “us” taking a back seat.

    Fuck, the opportunity to be part of something where it isn’t the same old white men and women in their 40s and 50s organising the same meetings – it should be a badge of pride.

    My role last night was to design and print out a sign-up sheet. The guy who chaired it, and one of the other organisers, asked me for advice in how to chair a meeting, cos of my experience in the union movement.

    I had to take a back seat. I was proud to take a back seat.

    Anyone who thinks Mark is saying “it’s the brown people’s turn to lead” is deliberately missing the point. Respect has found its base in the immigrant working class; by definition, non-white people are gonna be leading Respect in the future.

    These are the people who were marginalised in the old Respect. No one ever told them that it was ok to have ideas and to run with them, to fuck some of them up and to make successes of others.

    They’ve been told that now – and anyone who truly understands the label “socialist” will understand that what is happening here is exactly what the heroes of the left would be demanding we get involved in: The victims of oppression are working out for themselves how to organise in a climate where the oppression is getting worse.

    As a white man, I’m not about to tell a Muslim how to be angry and fight back. I’m gonna take a back seat, but I’m still in the car.

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  20. While I think socialist should and do encourage oppressed groups to take a lead in the labour movement I think it’s important that we argue against black nationalism and the politics of seperatism. Over the years I’ve argued with many different oppressed people including muslims that joining a socialist organisation is the best way to fight against oppression. As workers we are all oppressed and class lies at the root of all oppressions.

    As for muslims taking the lead in liberating themselves from oppression there are many in the socialist movement who have been doing just that for many years in the UK and abroad except they define themselves as socialists. It’s completely untrue that socialists prevent oppressed groups from being heard or fighting for their rights. Socialists have been the best fighters against oppression and our involvment in liberation struggles stands head and shoulders above liberals and social democrats. The SWP has been at the forefront of attracting people of all oppressed groups to socialism and the composition of the SWP is an example of this.

    We’ve heard the recurring arguement from seperatists (and their white liberal supporters) that only they can lead the movement ever since the 70’s but this invariably results in a top down approach that excludes the majority of people they claim to represent. The politics of the gay movement is an excellent example of how working class gays have been excluded from much of the political debate.

    Socialists recognise that class is the cause of what seperates people – not religion, sexual preference, gender etc. We also recognise that oppressed groups will invariably be sold out by those who claim to represent them as the leadership are integrated into the class system. Oppression is caused by the capitalist system and the only way to get rid of it is organise together as a class not by dividing workers through advocating seperatist politics.

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  21. What tonyc is saying is an echo of Tony Cliff’s line that the leader of the first London soviet should be a 17-year old black lesbian.

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  22. Strange, I can see no comment from RRers on Galloway’s latest outburst?

    why’s that? are Gays lives in Iran worth less?

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  23. Is that the outburst where GG opposes on National TV the deporting of a gay man by the BRITISH GOVERNMENT to his certain death and opposes the death sentence for gays in Iran but at the same time poiints out that certain elements such as yourself would be using this issue to galvanise public opinion for an attack on Iran.

    Even worse we’ve got ultra-lefts on this and other blogs demanding GG be held to account for his non-existent homophobia. The most prominent voice of the anti-war movement is being pilloried by war-mongers and the SWP at the same time. Must be doing something right.

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  24. David

    Well put. It would do said leftists a lot of good to look closely at who was behind the peers letter that made it onto the front page of the Independent.

    As for Tatchell, I understand some people have suggested it would be better not to get on the wrong side of him. The problem is he has systematically chosen the wrong emphasis and provided cover for the most reactionary forces in British society.

    His attacks on Ken Livingstone over Qaradawi are one example and his zapping of protests organised in support of the Palestinians are another.

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  25. So George will publish his evidence that the dead Iranian was guilty of sex attacks on young men?

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