The New Labour project is falling apart at the seams. Its local elections results were the worst in 40 years, with only 24% of the vote and coming third behind the Liberal Democrats. This is a disastrous result for Brown. In London, the election of Boris Johnson as Mayor and the presence of a BNP member on the Greater London Assembly will disturb and depress all who value the multi-cultural diversity of the city.

Nick Wrack The most immediate catalyst for the collapse of the Labour vote was the abolition of the 10% income tax rate (i.e. Labour attacking a large part of its core base), but looming large behind that is the economic crisis ­ the credit crunch, rising fuel and food prices set against continuing low wages for a big section of society. Added to this was Brown’s inability to spin the New Labour project in the way Blair could do it. All of this raises the prospect of a further electoral disaster in the European elections in 2009 followed by a drubbing in the general election of 2010 and the possible election of a Tory Government.

Against this background what are the prospects and possibilities for building a left-wing alternative to New Labour’s neo-liberal policies. What is the terrain and what can be achieved?

Firstly, nothing in the general political situation has fundamentally changed since the launching of Respect in 2004. Large numbers of traditional Labour voters remain alienated, disillusioned and demoralised by the right-wing policies of New Labour. Some seek solutions in a “change” and vote for the Tories. Many more abstain, casting a plague on both parties.

Such is the nature of party politics in Britain today, and the media coverage, that the rivalry between the main parties has become one of  presentation and personalities. Ideological differences have been left far behind as all the establishment parties support neo-liberalism to the hilt. Differences are miniscule, reflected by petty point scoring. In these circumstances voters can cast a vote for the opposition in order to register their dissatisfaction without, in fact, registering a vote for any fundamentally different policies.

At the same time, there is widespread anger at rising prices and the budget attacks on the poorest. There is opposition to privatisation and a fear about the future of the health service and education. The war and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, although receding as an issue, remains of concern for millions.

Of course, not everything flows in the same direction. Fears about crime and the issue of immigration are factors used by the press and politicians to drum up support for right-wing views. In general, however, disillusioned working-class voters and the progressively minded sections of the middle class will not swing to the Tories. Some may be tempted by the social liberalism of the Liberal Democrats but most will withhold their votes unless and until they see a serious, viable, alternative. When the threat arises of a Tory win most of these will vote once again for New Labour with heavy heart and holding their noses whilst doing so. This was a significant feature of the Livingstone vote in the London Mayoral election. Such an attitude will be played upon by the right-wing trade union leaders to argue against “rocking the boat”, arguing that New Labour has to be supported to keep out the Tories.

In these circumstances, there are possibilities for building a left-wing alternative to New Labour but it will not be easy or swift. We may not like where we are starting from but every journey has to start from where you are.

The first point to register about the performance of tAlanhe left parties in the recent elections is that they confirm that there is the basis of support for such a project. Although the experience was very limited, with only a few handfuls of good results outside of London, the results demonstrate that where consistent and patient work has been invested, support can be obtained for left-wing candidates.

Respect’s results confirm this. In Birmingham Sparkbrook, Respect’s Nahim Ullah Khan won 3,032 (42.64%) and became Respect’s third councillor in the ward. Elsewhere in Birmingham, Respect polled 25% in Springfield, 17% in Nechells and just under 5% in Moseley and Kings Heath. These are extremely significant results. They indicate the possibilities of obtaining very good votes in elections and demonstrate that it is possible to win. They augur well for Respect’s prospects in the city at the general election.

In Manchester’s Cheetham Hill ward Kay Phillips polled 14.4% following an energetic campaign that built serious links with the local communities. In Moss Side Respect polled 5.8% and in Wigan 6.7%. In Bradford Manningham ward Respect won 7.5% and in Walsall 7.6%. Of course, these are very few wards contested but are small indications of what can be obtained in the first instance if there were forces to contest more widely.

A few of the results for the Left List also demonstrated the same potential for the left. They received a very good 37% and 25% in Preston and Sheffield respectively to 12% and 10% in Manchester. It is worth mentioning that the result in Preston and Sheffield are the products of work over a long period of time with a commitment from the core activists to the building of a broad electoral left alternative; a completely different approach from that of the SWP leadership.

In London the most impressive result was the vote for Hanif Abdulmuhit in the City and East constituency. Here, Respect came third, polling 26,760 votes (14.59%), an increase of 7,085(36%) against the background of a polarisation of the vote between Labour and Conservatives. This was a tremendous vote, beating the BNP and consolidating Respect’s position in its east London stronghold.

Across London Respect’s vote did not fare so well. Respect did not stand any candidate for Mayor or in any other constituency apart from City and East.

Respect polled 59,721 (2.43%) in the London-wide list, a disappointment to the many Respect supporters who had hoped to win at least one seat on the Greater London Assembly by obtaining the minimum 5% required. Notwithstanding the high profile of George Galloway this was always going to be difficult in the circumstances. However there is no doubt that the response to Respect’s campaign, albeit limited by a lack of resources and any real presence in large swathes of the capital, confirmed the potential to build outwards from the success in east London.

This was not a bad result in the circumstances. There was a massive polarisation in London around the Mayoral election which no doubt squeezed smaller parties. Perhaps more importantly, the war no longer featured to anything like the same degree as in 2004. Although Respect has a broad array of policies covering the breadth of the issues facing the electorate it is probabl
e that most people still see Respect as the anti-war party. This needs to be addressed. What exactly is Respect and what does it stand for?

There is no doubt that the split in Respect damaged the party’s prospects, both in terms of voters seeing Respect as damaged goods and weakening the party’s ability to campaign across London.

We did not have a Mayoral candidate, which meant that we did not get an entry into the booklet which went to every household in London. Nor did we have an election broadcast.

Unfortunately, with the exception of Newham and Tower Hamlets, Southwark, and some pockets in North London and elsewhere, Respect does not exist as an active force with an organisation on the ground. This is a consequence of four years of neglect, compounded by the split last year. The lesson of last years Southall by-election demonstrated again in these elections, is that Respect cannot expect to get significant support unless it carries out regular, consistent work in an area.

Respect was not able to overcome these difficulties. It shows that Respect has to be built across the capital, with branches in every borough, if we want to become a real force in London. The vote in City and East, however, demonstrates that we can build in other areas by developing an active base carrying out regular and consistent work within the local community. Of course, our priority areas are Tower Hamlets and Newham in the east where we have to continue to build and consolidate, but no national party can be built on the basis of support limited to two or three areas.

The London results


Neither the victory for the Conservatives, nor the election of a BNP member to the London Assembly, contradict the argument that there is a need and a realistic possibility of building a left-wing alternative to New Labour. In fact, the election results demonstrate the need for such a party more than ever. The neo-liberal policies of New Labour will lead some to try out the Tories and will even drive some working-class whites into the arms of the racist and fascist BNP. A party espousing policies that benefit working-class people, rather than big business is the only way to cauterise that flow.

An election is only a snapshot of political developments and these results should not be seen as a generalised move to the right. Given the absence of any authoritative left-wing party it is not surprising that many voters plump for the “other” party in the hope that things may improve marginally.

But the vast majority of traditional Labour voters still vote Labour or abstain. There is a sizable proportion of working-class voters, especially newer immigrants in low paid jobs, who no longer have any allegiance to Labour.

Notwithstanding the election of Johnson and the election of one BNP member to the GLA, the London elections show that the situation is much more complicated -than simply being a reflection of a shift to the right. Livingstone’s 1st preference vote increased by 208,336. His combined 1st and 2nd preference vote increased by 340,358. While there was massive discontent with New Labour’s policies and with Livingstone’s own performance, the fear of Johnson winning drove Livingstone’s supporters out in massively increased numbers. Unfortunately, this increased turnout for Livingstone could not match the increased Tory turnout, which added over half a million votes to their 2004 result. Following the election of Cameron as leader the Tories have cynically repositioned themselves towards the centre ground of politics to increase their appeal particularly to a new generation which did not know Thatcherism. Alongside this the selection of Johnson as Mayoral candidate has seen a confidence returning to the Tory supporters, especially in the suburbs. Livingstone appeared jaded, grey and on the back foot in the campaign and the Tories scented a huge scalp. They turned out in force to take it. This produced a fairly narrow Tory victory for Mayor. This shows that, notwithstanding the increasingly personal nature of political contest in Britain, there was still a clear left-right contest taking place. Voters for the most part understood this. No matter the serious concerns that many on the left would have with Livingstone, it was clearly understood that Johnson had to be beaten.

Whilst the vote for Livingstone went up in the inner city areas it could not compensate for the doubling of the Tory vote in some of the suburban constituencies. The Mayoral election was overwhelmingly a class vote. There was a clear ideological aspect to the vote, fuelled by the massive attacks on Livingstone led by the Tory-supporting Evening Standard. It was understood that the multicultural nature of London and its public services were seriously at risk. Johnson’s victory will demonstrate very quickly how justified that fear was. It was a huge victory for the Tories and a defeat not only for New Labour but also for all those to its left, – particularly when taking into account that the BNP are now on the Assembly.

Part of a wider trend

New Labour’s defeat came directly out of the New Labour project itself. It is part of a wider and more fundamental picture involving the direction of social democracy at the European level. Over the last two decades European social democracy, without exception, has abandoned its traditional roots and adopted the full neo-liberal agenda. Now, one after another, these parties are suffering the backlash from this and falling into disarray. Italy is the most recent example where social democracy, after a disastrous period of coalition with a centre right Prodi administration, has collapsed and now we have a Berlusconi government and a fascist mayor of Rome. France is another example of a centre left government opening the door to the right, bringing Sarkozy to power. In Germany at an earlier stage it resulted in the election of Angela Merkel.

Right across Europe social democratic parties have moved to the centre ground and the ideological difference between them and the centre-right parties has disappeared. Politics are reduced to sound-bites and spin. In Britain, New Labour comprehensively rejected its traditional electoral base and, initially, successfully reached out to middle England – to win three elections with such support. But such support can disappear as fast as it comes. Unless governments rest on ideologically-based core support they are continually vulnerable to the latest twists and turns of the political situation or stunts pulled by their opponents.

Does this mean the end of new Labour? No. It might mean the end of this particular phase of New Labour in the sense that they are heading from office at a rate of knots. But any idea that they might draw the conclusion that the neo-liberal path has been wrong and that they should now turn back towards some kind of old Labour model is unlikely to materialise. This will become clear enough when the new policy review is published in the next week or two. They are more likely to conclude that they have not gone far enough and the way to get their voters back from the Tory Party is to embrace the market even more.

The response of the left to all this right across Europe should be clear enough. The need to build broad parties of the left, based on broad
socialist policies, designed to embrace all those looking for a political alternative could not be more sharply posed. This is not an easy project. It requires determination, élan, o
penness, patience and consistency. But it has to be done.

The way forwards after the election

The basis for a broad pluralist party clearly exists, despite the current divisions on the left and despite a reduced vote in the London elections. If we take the very good results in Birmingham and East London, along with some of the other results outside of London and the 3.6% won by the various left parties on the London list, there is clearly the basis for a much bigger party of the left than has been built up until now.

Respect therefore has a two-fold task in the post election situation: to consolidate the important and central bases in Birmingham and East London and start to extend outwards into other areas with the objective of establishing a national spread for the organisation.

This requires a rapid turn back from election work to party-building work through patient but energetic and lively local activity together with strengthening our national profile. We need to recruit and consolidate new members and build branches where they don’t yet exist. The structures of Respect must be strengthened. The paper should be utilised to win more supporters and sympathisers. We should begin to prepare for a conference in the early autumn which can consolidate the organisation and reach out to others.

We must renew our approach to all those people in the communities with whom we have been working during the election but also find new areas to work in.

We must reiterate our commitment to reach out to and work with all others on the left who want to build a left alternative – the young people of the environmental movement, those opposing racism and islamophobia, and local community activists. This also means approaching trade unionists and other sections of the left to argue for a regroupment broader than Respect, which can reflect the full potential available to the left and which can more adequately address the crisis of working-class representation. We should participate in initiatives like the “Convention of the left”.

Forging links with serious organisations on the left will not come easily or quickly, but we must show ourselves committed to the project of working with others to build a bigger, united left-wing party.

In the meantime, we work to build our support in an open and inclusive way.

54 responses to “Respect and the Election Results – Nick Wrack and Alan Thornett”

  1. I just read this with a strange sense of deja vu…

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  2. so good they posted it twice

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  3. Rob – well done for being the first to spot the deliberate mistake.

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  4. This article, I think, far underestimates the urgency of building a broader coalition. It is absolutely critical, and without a major breakthrough in half a year or so, I think Respect and the attempt to build a broad party are doomed.

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  5. If anyone here really thinks the London results are good, they need to look at the ward by ward breakdown of the vote now published here.

    http://results.londonelects.org.uk/Results/xls/04_city_east.xls

    Specifically, look for party 8 Left List, 11 Respect and 13 UPS in the section London Member, highlighted as purple.

    Based on these results, and left candidatefailed to get the most votes in a single ward anywhere in City & East, which does not bode well for the 2010 elections

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  6. Thanks for that Jim

    Specifically though your claim that Respect failed to beat labour in any ward is worng.

    If you look at the constituency member results they are closer, and Respect did beat labour in Shadwell, and came close in a few other wards.

    Given the elections are two years away, then there is no need for panic. the results show that Respect is a contender in nearly every ward in Tower hamlets.

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  7. But in two years the left could and should be completely transformed

    come to the http://www.conventionoftheleft.org and also get involved in the strikes and community campaigns where different left groups and militants are working together

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  8. Let us hope you are right Jason. I don’t think anyone is arguing against getting involved in supporting strikes and community campaigns.

    And hopefully, we can find areas of common agreement – but for those of us in Respect that means building both Respect AND those joint activities and initiatives where we agree. Counterposing the two doesn’t get us anywhere as without organsiation we are weaker in supporting those struggles – as long as we put the interests of the campaigns at the centre of our activity.

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  9. “And hopefully, we can find areas of common agreement – but for those of us in Respect that means building both Respect AND those joint activities and initiatives where we agree”

    Of course. I understand that. Though I think a fair number of people I’ve spoken to in Respect (Renewal) are open to seeing it as more than just building Respect and may be down the line some kind of left recomposition. In the meantime, though, see building Respect and the campaigns as mutually reinforcing (as indeed may be other people in other organisations see the relationship between their organisation and rebuilding class struggle organisations)

    However, in my emphasis it is most important to rebuild the campaigns and base of working class support in united front campaigning. Not trying to counterpose the two but a point of emphasis.

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    The detailed ward breakdown of the London results, make for fascinating reading and analysis, particularly the voting for the constituency member election in City and East.

    Respect won two wards outright – Shadwell in Tower Hamlets and Green Street East in Newham. There were a further three wards in Tower Hamlets where the combined Respect and Left List vote was greater than Labour – Bromley by Bow, Whitechapel and Limehouse.

    This means five wards in total where the combined left won.

    Respect achieved above 25% in its own right in six wards in each of Newham and Tower Hamlets, plus there was one ward (Limehouse) where the combined left vote was above 25%, making 13 wards in total where more than a quarter of voters put their X to a left alternative to the Labour Party.

    This is despite the overwhelming majority of muslims in those wards giving their votes to Ken Livingstone and Labour in the Mayoral election.

    There were 24 wards across both boroughs in total where Respect on its own came either 1st or 2nd. In addition to the ward won by Respect, there were 6 wards in Tower Hamlets where the gap between Labour and Respect was less than 5% (and another one where the gap was only 6.7%), making them strong targets in London Borough elections in less than two years.

    Each of these wards has 3 councillors. If Respect could improve marginally on these results (a swing of say 5% from Labour to Respect) then Respect would be capable of winning 10-20 councillors in Tower Hamlets, and should have 3 safe councillors in Newham.

    While the results in Barking and Dagenham were generally much poorer, there was one ward (Abbey) where Respect won more than 10% on its own.

    The Left List results were pitiful and indicates that they will lose all three of their councillors in the 2010 borough elections unless they return to the Respect fold. The best Left List results were 3.0% in two wards, one each in Tower Hamlets and Newham (compared to 21.4% and 10.9% for Respect in the same wards).

    More detail to come (if people want it …?).

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  11. http://www.vote-2007.co.uk/index.php?board=39.0

    a continuing cross party deate on the results, and some really interesting analysis coming out- in that , indeed people were voting Respect Galloway on the lists, and Ken for the Mayor

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  12. please do give more detail, PE. That’s very useful information.

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    Newham – results for Respect in Constituency Member election.

    Ward Respect vote Position Percentage
    Green Street West 1226 1st 38.3%
    Green Street East 1110 2nd 32.0%
    East Ham North 941 2nd 27.8%
    Manor Park 834 2nd 27.7%
    Boleyn 825 2nd 26.1%
    Little Ilford 701 2nd 25.4%
    Forest Gate South 652 2nd 21.4%
    East Ham Central 674 2nd 21.3%
    Plaistow North 547 2nd 20.6%
    Wall End 549 2nd 16.9%
    Plaistow South 407 3rd 14.3%
    Forest Gate North 423 2nd 13.4%
    Beckton 308 3rd 13.3%
    East Ham South 374 3rd 13.2%
    Stratford and New Town 314 3rd 12.4%
    West Ham 276 3rd 10.7%
    Canning Town North 241 4th 10.2%
    Custom House 134 4th 6.6%
    Canning Town South 133 4th 6.1%
    Royal Docks 83 7th 5.1%
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    Postal 1885 2nd 15.9%
    Newham TOTAL 12637 18.7%

    NB Postal votes counted at borough level

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  14. Apologies for missing the 2 Respect wins. Antifascists will be taking note, I hope, of the fact BNP polled top in 7 of the 17 Barking and Dagenham Wards

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    Tower Hamlets – results for Respect in Constituency Member election.

    Ward Respect vote Position Percentage
    Shadwell 1034 1st 30.4%
    Bromley By Bow 875 2nd 28.8%
    Whitechapel 951 2nd 27.1%
    Bethnal Green South 989 2nd 27.1%
    Spitalfields & Banglatown 668 2nd 26.9%
    St Dunstan`s & Stepney Green 1025 2nd 25.7%
    Limehouse 812 2nd 22.9%
    Mile End East 653 2nd 22.2%
    Weavers 683 2nd 21.2%
    Mile End & Globe Town 630 2nd 17.7%
    Bethnal Green North 573 2nd 16.6%
    East India & Lansbury 464 2nd 15.5%
    St. Katharine`s & Wapping 387 2nd 11.5%
    Bow West 396 4th 10.9%
    Blackwall and Cubitt Town 313 3rd 10.0%
    Bow East 252 5th 8.3%
    Millwall 233 4th 6.8%
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    Postal 1632 2nd 15.1%
    Tower Hamlets TOTAL 12570 2nd 18.7%

    NB Postal votes counted at borough level

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    Jim – that’s two outright Respect wins, and should have been FIVE wins had Left List not split the vote and stood a candidate.

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  17. Few other odds and sods picked up from Vote 2007

    One London, the UKIP offshoot, polled its best votes in heavily Muslim wards of Tower Hamlets!

    UPS, the Communist Party Front, did best in Sikh and Hindu areas of West London

    Waiting on the left list top 10 results at constituency level- but for the Mayoral contest, they were polling best in Hackney and Haringey

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    In case anyone is wondering, both Tower Hamlets and Newham coincidentally produced the same Respect vote of 18.7% – 12,637 out of 67,417 in Newham and 12,570 out of 67,143 in Tower Hamlets (plus 1,490 in Barking & Dagenham and 63 in City of London make 26,760 total).

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  19. from Vote 2007

    Top ten ward % results for Lindsey German (Left List):

    1. West Green, Haringey: 4.87
    2. St. Pancras and Somers Town, Camden: 4.12
    3. White Hart Lane, Haringey: 3.65
    4. Northumberland Park, Haringey: 3.11
    5. Leabridge, Hackney: 3.01
    6. Tottenham Green, Haringey: 2.74
    7. Edmonton Green, Enfield: 2.70
    8. Tottenham Hale, Haringey: 2.68
    9. Golborne, Kensington and Chelsea: 2.49
    10. King’s Cross, Camden: 2.40

    Bottom ten:

    1. Polling district CL, City of London: None at all
    2. Eastbrook, Barking and Dagenham: 0.04
    3. Harefield, Hillingdon: 0.05
    4. Berrylands, Kingston-upon-Thames: 0.07
    5. Bromley Common and Keston, Bromley: 0.09
    6. Stonecot, Sutton: 0.10
    7. Campden, Kensington and Chelsea: 0.10
    8. Mayesbrook, Barking and Dagenham: 0.10
    9. Darwin, Bromley: 0.10
    10. Surrey Docks, Southwark: 0.11

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    Jim Page “One London, the UKIP offshoot, polled its best votes in heavily Muslim wards of Tower Hamlets!”

    “Best” is a relative term – One London’s highest ward vote was 37.

    More interestingly the Communist League (supporters of the US SWP) nearly outpolled Left List (supporters of the UK SWP) in the bastion of capitalism that is the few thousands voters who live in City of London – 15 votes for CL, 25 votes for Left List.

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    Thanks for repasting that data on Left List Mayoral performance Jim. It makes for stark reading alongside the Newham and Tower Hamlets votes for Respect, in case anyone thought there was any comparison – Respect’s worst votes in Tower Hamlets and Newham were well above anything achieved by Left List anywhere in London.

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  22. I think Renewals rather dismal results London wide is a more revealing analysis. It’s notable that Renewal did well using the name Respect in areas where over 4 years of development have gone into building a base with a large Muslim population. The same is true for Birmingham.

    The fact that Renewal polled much lower than it did last time and only received 2.49% overall is not something to celebrate. Considering German polled 4% last time and Renewal did a lot worse this time isn’t a great sign for Respect. Labour pulled in a huge amount of votes in City and East and we should be asking ourselves why this occured when there is great disillusion with Labour. Workers are still more likely to vote Labour than a left alternative.

    I think perpetuating the fued by oneupmanship over results when the left as a whole did so poorly overall feeds into demoralisation. It weakens the left because we are percieved quite rightly as a divided, antagonistic bunch of losers who couldn’t organise a brew up in a patisserie.

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  23. “If Respect could improve marginally on these results (a swing of say 5% from Labour to Respect) then Respect would be capable of winning 10-20 councillors in Tower Hamlets, and should have 3 safe councillors in Newham.”

    The danger of wishful thinking is that it can lead to complacency and a distorted sense of achievement. Both the Left List and Renewal expected to do a lot better in this election. This was not the case despite having built up a much better vote overall in the past. Between this election and the last the vote for a left alternative reduced significantly and we need to understand why this happened and address it. The results of this election mean that no one on the left can just assume that we will build on our vote. Even in areas where we have done well in the past.

    Considering that Respect has split in the recent past it’s very unlikely that the rest of the left will rally round it in the future. The same is true of the Left List and other organisations standing on the left. Perhaps the best we can do at the moment is to get on with building our own organisations and if in the future an alliance is again deemed feasible then form one organisation then. In the meantime we can still work together.

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  24. No Ray.

    there is no symmety or equality in the votes. And many of us in Respect were disappointed by not too suprised with getting just under 2.5%.

    Respect’s vote in East London was staggeringly good, and exceeded my hopes or expectations. It proves there is a local electoral base that could be developed to win perhaps two MPs, and control of TH council.

    What is more, we managed to quite correctly position ourselves in the camp of those working hard to get Livingstone reelected.

    We are not expecting that others in the left will rally round to join Respect, rather we are establishing ourtselves as a long term player that can work for a reallignment in English politics over the long haul.

    Already we have seen a renewed good will towards Respect from many parts of the Labour movement.

    Of course there are no grounds for complacenecy, and electoral politics are cruel. BUt there is every reason to congratulate Hanif Andulmuhit and the other East London comrades for a fantastic job, and we can be confident that we start from a very solid base to build upon.

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    Ray – I do not think you are interpreting the difference between the results in 2004 and 2008 correctly.

    The key issues are:

    1) In 2004 there were only 10 parties standing for the list places, in 2008 this increased to 14.

    2) In 2004 there was only one ‘left of labour’ list, in 2008 there were 3.

    3) In 2004 the Greens refused to call for a second vote for Livingstone; in 2008 the Greens not only endorsed a second vote for Livingstone there was also a clear pact and many left voters would have realised that they could vote for Livingstone for Mayor and the Greens for the List place, and had a reasonable hope that their vote could help elect someone on both ballot papers

    4) In 2004 there were four ballot papers, five votes, and every ballot paper had a “Respect (George Galloway)” candidate – even though it was the first time the voters had been exposed to the new “party”, it was easier to get across a clear message; in 2008 there were 3 ballot papers (4 votes) but “Respect (George Galloway)”was only on two ballot papers in City and East and in the other two votes there were “Left List” or other candidates (including Livingstone and the Greens) that previous Respect voters could “cross vote” for – “cross voting” works to the detriment of homogeneity. Outside City and East there was only one ballot paper/vote with “Respect (George Galloway)” and three without that option.

    5) The List voting system is the opportunity for minority progressive voters to cast a useful vote that might get someone elected eg Greens and prevent the BNP getting in – the constituency vote is the one where votes are more likely to be wasted and there was no risk of the BNP or indeed anyone other than Tories or Labour getting in/ therefore astute progressive votes can cast their vote for the party closest to their views without worrying too much about the consequences. Evidence from the last London election and the survey of voters published on the Socialist Unity Network indicates that Respect voters are among the most sophisticated of voters in terms of tactical voting.

    6) Within Tower Hamlets and Newham, the Respect campaign focussed on the candidacy of Hanif Abdulmuhit for the constituency member, rather than the list slate headed by Galloway – this was a deliberate decision by Respect.

    Taking all these things into account, it is therefore no surprise that the list vote for Respect in City and East was down, and only approx 76% of the constituency vote, compared to say the Greens who had a close correlation between their list and constituency vote.

    It is reasonable to say the constituency member election is likely to be a better guide to Respect’s prospects in both the General Election and the next Council elections in May 2010. (I haven’t totted up the votes by parliamentary constituency yet but will do so later).

    What the results of the City and East constituency member election do indicate is that Respect has a real block of support that could win seats in both general and local elections. Given the obvious strength in Birmingham, this indicates a base of support in the two biggest cities in the country that can be built on. By contrast, Left List did reasonably well in one ward in Preston and one ward in Sheffield, and very poorly everywhere else, while the Socialist Party won one ward in Coventry and did poorly elsewhere.

    As an aside we should also note that local Socialist Party Councillor Chris Flood got 13.1% (472 votes) in the Telegraph Hill ward in Lewisham he holds on the council. This is creditable, but hardly a good indicator that the advantage of incumbency as a councillor on its own helped left candidates. Hanif Abdulmuhit got 38.3% and ‘won’ his own ward of Green Street West in Newham – the opposite outcome. (The SP vote appears to have come fairly equally from Labour, Greens and Respect plus a few from Left List compared to the List vote).

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  26. Having said all of that, I was genuinely surprised, on looking at those figures, to see what a huge gulf there is between RESPECT’s vote and the LL’s. It’s not a few votes more here or there, it’s a factor of five or more. I can sympathise with the sentiment of “both lists did badly, let’s move on”, but in this case it conceals the fact that an under-resourced list got a disappointing but respectable result, while a list with much more substantial human and financial resources got trampled.

    Of course, I agree wholeheartedly with anyone who says that the results gave Respect nothing solid to celebrate, that both the list vote and Abdulmuhit’s vote were lower than we’d hoped, and that in general none of us have got anything to crow about. Not crowing; just encouraging a bit of realism.

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  27. Oops – ignore first five words of previous.

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  28. HERE IS THE DOWNSIDE OF RUNNING THIS SITE. IN THE PAST WEEK OR SO I’VE POSTED A COUPLE OF GIG REVIEWS, A CRITIQUE OF A SONG ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, TWO WELL KNOWN FRENCH TROTS TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MAY 1968, SOME PERSPECTIVES ON THE ELECTIONS. LOTS OF PEOPLE JOIN IN, HAVE A ROW AND CLARIFY THEIR THINKING.

    BUT WITH A WHOLE INTERNET FULL OF POLITICS, SEX AND STAMP COLLECTING TO ENGAGE WITH THIS POSTER CHANGES HIS NAME AND IP ADDRESS AND GIVES A PHONY E MAIL ADDRESS SEVERAL TIMES A DAY TO SHARE HIS HATRED OF GEORGE GALLOWAY WITH THE WORLD. IF YOU WANT TO ENGAGE WITH HIM PLEASE DO IT ELSEWHERE. HE PROBABLY HAS SPACE IN HIS DIARY. LIAM

    Principo,
    between 2004 and 2008,Galloway has been exposed thoroughly as a corrupt chancer and part time MP.
    Even his wife was exposed as corruptly receiving Oil Cash.

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  29. […] excelent and informative number crunching, which was done by Prinkipo Exile in a debate over at Liam’s blog. The detailed ward level results for City and East constituency in the London assembly elections […]

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  30. None of the voting figures convince me that the overall results for Renewal are anything but poor considering it used the Respect name that had been built up by all of us up until 4 months ago. In contrast the Left List that has only been in existance for 3 months prior to the election had very good results in a couple of areas outside of London. Outside of London the LL polled just as well, if not better than Renewal and the SP. The LL could use the arguement used by Renewal that we need to consolidate our successes and focus on the general election. Unfortunately that’s not going to solve the problem that the left is still divided. Nor will it solve the conflict over the different strategies used by the left during the election.

    Where the left has built a base the results are much better but the left was squeezed by the battle between Livingstone and Johnson. Unfortunately Renewal’s alliance with Livingstone didn’t help this. During the next general election, if the strategy of those on the left who allied themselves with Livingstone is to keep Labour in power rather than campaign for a left alternative then the left’s vote will be squeezed as it was in this election.

    It’s not just about building a base and hoping for good results. It’s also about the political strategy that the left uses to convince voters to vote for it. If there’s no unity around that then the vote will be split and squeezed by the main parties.

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  31. “Ray Outside of London the LL polled just as well, if not better ”

    Respect got 7500 votes in central Birmigham and won a council seat.

    Remind me again where Left List did as well if not better.

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  32. Ray: your dichotomy between “keeping Labour in power” and “campaiging for a left alternative” shows exactly the delusional presumptions of the SWP’s doctrine at this moment. They are not in direct opposition (hint: they weren’t in 2005 either and your party made a point of saying so). The left outside of Labour is not going to mount a challenge – serious or otherwise – in more than a handful of seats. Of those there are half a dozen which might conceivably – on a really, really, good outing- be won: Blaenau Gwent, Hall Green in Brum, the two seats targeted by the Greens in Norwich and Brighton, Bethnal Green and Bow, and Poplar and Canning Town. While these results might be pivotal in the event of a hung parliament, they are not replacing Labour in the rest of the 600 plus seats Labour will contest. In the vast majority of those places trade unionists etc will be voting Labour for the best of reasons. You would be foolish to counterpose a renewed Left List adventure to that big reality. (Especially as you will be doing everything possible to stop Galloway, Yaqoob and Miah being elected – what Rees describes as his worst nightmare).

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  33. Andy, the Left List polled 37% of the vote in Preston Town Centre and 23% in Southampton coming second in both wards, 13% in Cambridge, 13% in Manchester, in Lozells and East Handsworth ward (Brum) we beat the Greens, Conservatives and BNP and came third. Not bad for a 3 month old party. Respect’s been going for over 4 years with the input of everyone in Respect (including the SWP) up until 4 months ago and it could only manage 2.4% across London? See how easy it is to big up the results and trash others on the left? 😉 Not very clever though considering we got hammered in the election and need to work together to do better next time.

    “The left outside of Labour is not going to mount a challenge – serious or otherwise – in more than a handful of seats.”

    So, Nas, we should just give up building a left opposition and cheer on New Labour because we won’t beat them in an election. That’s not what I and thousands of others signed up with Respect to achieve.

    “Especially as you will be doing everything possible to stop Galloway, Yaqoob and Miah being elected – what Rees describes as his worst nightmare”

    Was that what Rees was saying when you were invited round for tea with him and German? Tsk! Tsk! You’re hanging with the enemy now. I’m amazed you’re privy to such information or perhaps you’re just making it up. Please have a political debate rather than more make believe.

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  34. Deal with the point, Ray, rather than fantasising about who might have had tea with whom. There will be no left of Labour global alternative at the next election. Do you think the left should call for an abstention in the more than 90 percent of seats it does not context ? This is about politics, not playground squabbles. And, incidentally, will you be supporting Galloway, Yaqoob and Miah at the general election?

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    Ray – I think you meant Sheffield not Southampton.

    And I notice you have failed to engage in previous posts. While creditable, the Preston Town Centre ward result was only two thirds of that achieved by Michael Lavalette standing as Respect in the same ward 12 months ago, and the margin of defeat against an unknown candidate was worse than that which the same candidate (a muslim in a ward with a large proportion of muslims) standing as Respect achieved 2 years ago against a sitting councillor/former MP. This indicates that a personal vote for Lavalette as Respect has NOT transferred to Left List.

    Elsewhere in Preston the Left List had a catastrophic drop in support compared to that achieved by Respect, even where the same candidates stood.

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  36. ‘And, incidentally, will you be supporting Galloway, Yaqoob and Miah at the general election?’

    I think we can safely say the SWP will not. In Birmingham their members voted Green apparently. That meant in Springfield, for all their talk last year about wanting to support a female candidate they went for a middle aged white bloke, tried to undermine the Respect campaign by refusing to hand over last years canvass returns, and took a position of not voting for a young Asian women who was not only a former secretary of STWC but also an ex-member of the SWP!

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  37. Seriously?!! The SWP voted for the Green over Respect in Birmingham. That is so hilarious, especially after the roasting SWP lovers gave the ISG for voting Green. It’s almost as if the SWP is determined to commit every sin it ever criticized anyone for…

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  38. See how easy it is to big up the results and trash others on the left? Not very clever though considering we got hammered in the election

    That was pretty much my point – except that I’d add that it’s also not very clever to pretend that we all got hammered equally. Out of interest, how many towns and cities had both RESPECT and LL candidates standing? I’m only aware of London and Manchester.

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  39. “Yah!Boo!Wegot more votes than you!!”
    “No you didn’t!!Nyer!Nyer!”
    Don’t you discuss any politics around here?
    It’s been two weeks.
    Move on,people.

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  40. I was in a conversation yesterday with a LL supporter (non-SWPmember) yesterday, who agreed that the split had done for better results for both RR and LL in the elections.
    However they then went on to add that they thought it was all down to GG’s folly.
    Apparently that’s what they had been told by fellow LL SWP members!
    So in spite of all that’s gone down they are still spinning the same yarn.
    No wonder the ‘left’ is seen as discredited by any W/C onlooker.

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  41. “Deal with the point, Ray, rather than fantasising about who might have had tea with whom.”

    The question, which I raised, was are you going to campaign for Labour like you did in the London election when a left alternative is standing? Where no left alternative is standing of course the left should vote Labour, after all, were not going to vote for the alternatives are we (Conservatives, LibDems, BNP?)

    “In Birmingham their members voted Green apparently.”

    Ger, if you’re going to engage in lies please make them more believeable. We actually voted LibDem because it’s alliances with anyone wot count and get you elected according to Livingstone. By the way, I hope Renewal voted for the Left List otherwise Ger would be upset.

    “However they then went on to add that they thought it was all down to GG’s folly.
    Apparently that’s what they had been told by fellow LL SWP members!”

    Another load of hearsay posing as truth. Did you have to help this LL supporter cross the road after the conversation? We tend to lobotomise them on entry and rebuild their personality. Sometimes it goes wrong.

    “Move on,people.”

    Best comment of the thread.

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  42. Move on, yeah, but isn’t that what Tony Blair said about war in Iraq? Move on, but isn’t that what the person who lost the argument says when they want to change the subject. Move on, but learn the lessons of history and as that history is disputed it is still going to be debated.

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  43. “Elsewhere in Preston the Left List had a catastrophic drop in support compared to that achieved by Respect, even where the same candidates stood.”

    That may be true but considering the Left List is only 3 months old that’s not unexpected. That doesn’t explain the catastrophic (love these OTT adjectives) drop Renewal experienced does it? At least you acknowledge there’s been a catastrophe for the left. Now it’s time to drop the bluff and bluster and take a reality check. Unless we work together the left is stuffed.

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  44. Although, the latest anti-SWP rant on SUN about the central London anti-nazi demo doesn’t give me much confidence of unity. Even Jason’s decided to take a break from SUN and he’s the personification of the hope for unity. 😦

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  45. Yes,Matthew learn the lessons,learn why Ken lost and Boris won.Learn why the far left vote was so diabolically bad ( all the factions ) and when you’ve down that move on and use those lessons to make sure we do it better next time.
    Or do you just want to participate in endless bun fights on the internet?

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  46. Learn why the far left vote was so diabolically bad ( all the factions ) and when you’ve down that move on and use those lessons to make sure we do it better next time.

    See, I don’t think the result in Preston Town Centre was ‘diabolically bad’. I don’t think getting a third RESPECT councillor elected in Sparkbrook counts as ‘diabolically bad’ either. Some results certainly were diabolically bad, but others were reasonably good. I think we need to learn from both, in order to carry on doing whatever it was we were doing right and stop doing things that are a waste of time, energy and money.

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  47. “Don’t you discuss any politics around here?”

    Understandable sentiment- though one or two of us have tried.

    Preston results were not diabolically bad nor were results in a few other pockets.

    But overall votes for the left were not great by any means and I think it perhaps indicates the need to build up our fighting forces where we can- in community campaigns, in the workplaces, unions, ad hoc united fronts around common action points.

    We need to create a movement- whether around immediate threats to jobs, privatisation, deportations- or around longer term issues of building up working class control of services and jobs, against racism, against oppression etc.

    A good website to start further discussions and get dialed into a meeting and movement is http://www.conventionoftheleft.org

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  48. I think we have had enough number crunching and I’ll start deleting any further discussion on it.

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  49. ‘if you’re going to engage in lies please make them more believeable’

    No lies here Ray. Two ‘loyal’ (i.e. subservient) SWP members said so. I can name them if you want.

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  50. Not here please Ger and I’m not sure that adjectives like “subservient” either clarify much or lower the polemical level.

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  51. Ger was asking before about how to organise support for the Bolton strike

    Perhaps this will help- and indeed the petition here

    Click to access Withinspetition.pdf

    “We send our support and solidarity to Bolton NUT members at Withins school taking strike action against change of employer and to Bolton NUT’s campaign against the school closures and Academy plan.”

    Some people have asked about sending donations for a solidarity fund. This would probably provide quite a boost to the strikers- probably best to send that to Bolton NUT care of Freepost to be spent on campaigning etc- Bolton NUT, FREEPOST, NWW8182A, Wigan,EN1 3ZZ

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  52. Ray.

    ‘Another load of hearsay posing as truth’

    That’s the truth, I didn’t make it up.

    No the LL supporter didn’t have to be seen over the road, she was on a bike. And certainly not lobotomised, they happen to be a friend and Not a liar.
    Do you have to insult them (twice) as well?

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  53. Apologies if I insulted your friend Halshall that was not my intention but your comment appears to be making a point that she was representative of many LL supporters who you believe are being conned by the SWP. My point is that just because an LL supporter doesn’t follow your version of events doesn’t make them wrong or a poor sap brainwashed by the SWP. I find these vox pop comments very unhelpful and unreliable because it’s one persons point of view related by another person and that’s why I’m usually suspicious of that form of arguement.

    I have no objections to Renewal doing well and I’d recommend a vote for Renewal if they were the left alternative in an area. Sparkbrook was a good result and no one would deny that but we’re discussing the bigger picture and that wasn’t good for the left. It seems to me that the question is how do we grow beyond the small gains in localities like Birmingham, TH, Preston etc. The way forward seems to be some kind of unity where we focus on what we have in common as Jason very patiently recommends rather than perpetuating our disagreements.

    And before anyone suggests that the SWP CC doesn’t agree with this I can assue you that this is the message I’m receiving from my branch and believe me if there’s one thing we do like in the SWP is a good old natter about strategy. Sometimes you can’t shut the older comrades up with their reminises of the 60’s and 70’s…lol

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  54. “I have no objections to Renewal doing well and I’d recommend a vote for Renewal if they were the left alternative in an area.”

    Who did you recommend a vote for in City & East?

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