455px-Henry_George Hands up who’s heard of Georgism? Me neither until yesterday at the Campaign Against Climate Change conference. It turns out that Henry George was the second most famous man in the United States in the nineteenth century and that he developed “a philosophy and economic ideology that holds that everyone owns what they create, however everything found in nature, most importantly land belongs equally to all humanity.” Henry does not have many adherents but one of them spent five minutes trying to enlighten me about him while I was innocently tending the Respect stall. This was nothing compared to the fifteen minute lecture that poor Fred got at the Socialist Resistance stall. We were both a bit surprised to discover that environmentalism has a cranky fringe because we’ve never encountered one on the far left. One character said that the problem with socialism was that it was not sufficiently inclusive because it excluded capitalists. An original insight.

By my consistently unreliable estimation there were probably about 350 at the conference which is a bit down on last year. The far left did not have a big presence – this can be proved by the fact that SR was the second largest group there after the SWP.

The only session on which I can pretend to give a halfway useful report was the one on ecosocialism with Derek Wall of the Green Party and SR’s advisory editorial board, Jonathan Neale of the SWP and SR’s Alan Thornett making a late substitution for George Galloway. I’ll assume that Derek will post something soon on his contribution but I’ll follow his example and put in a plug for The Corner House.

Jonathan opened his contribution by remarking that he wanted more socialists to get involved in the movement against climate change and observing that at the moment they are a bit of a rarity.  Lobbying does not work on an issue of this magnitude and what is required is an international mass movement involving tens of millions of people. As an aside – one of the noticeable things about the earlier workshop I sat through with Tony Juniper from Friends of the Earth, Caroline Lucas of the Green Party and Michael Meacher while containing a lot of interesting information was weak on which agencies were going to act. This contributes to the feeling of helplessness that many people feel in the face of climate change which Jonathan described. Noting that bourgeois politicians like Obama, Cameron and Blair know the science and are now talking about action on climate change he added that because they are the rich owners of the world they have an interest in maintaining it. Their dilemma is that the sort of rational planning that is required to meet human needs on a global scale potentially opens the gates to socialism by challenging the market.

Now we get onto some of the prefigurative stuff. Looking at what socialists have to bring to the movement against climate change Jonathan emphasised more than once the need for a vision of socialism that is for human need and is democratic. He explicitly rejected the Chinese and Soviet versions saying that our model of socialism has to allow for the election of bosses at every level and collective decision making on how human labour is used to meet human  needs rather than making profits.

Alan’s most controversial remark was to describe himself as an ecosocialist, something he explained by saying that it is no longer enough for socialists to bolt on a bit of ecology to what they normally do. The immensity of the catastrophe which the science is predicting means that ecology has to be integral to all our activity. The scale of the crisis has huge implications for the socialist project because the combination of its economic and environmental impact is going to show hundreds of millions of people that capitalism is unsustainable.

Referring back to his time in the car factory Alan observed that no one at that time in the labour movement eve questioned what they were making. All that mattered was job security, pay and working conditions. The questions were never asked about how socially harmful are these machines, what is their long term effect on the environment, can society do without them? This was one of the ways in which the capitalist need to produce and make profit infected the workers’ movement. Now we have to start challenging the idea that productivism and growth are ends in themselves.

Much of the subsequent discussion swung around two points. The first was the degree to which one’s own lifestyle should be amended to reflect our new ecological understanding. There was one strand which thought that this is largely irrelevant. All that matters is movements, unions, and demonstrations and that what individuals do is of no great significance. The other strand, supported by Derek and Alan is that political action is the most important thing but that we also need to start prefiguring what a sustainable socialist society might look like. The example I threw into the discussion was that socialist men live in a world with a lot of sexism and while we know that our impact on this is pretty small we try as best we can to avoid being sexist.

The other contentious issue was whether or not the “eco” prefix is necessary for modern socialists. A strongly represented view was that what we do is more important than how we label ourselves and that it’s entirely possible for socialists to develop theory and activities on climate change without changing how they view themselves. Again Derek and Alan dissented from this reminding the audience that the impact of climate change on the world’s population obliges socialist to rethink all their basic ideas inherited from the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.

19 responses to “Georgism and prefigurative ecosocialism”

  1. For more about the ideas of Henry George, you might take a look at http://lvtfan.typepad.com, http://wealthandwant.com/ and http://www.answersanswers.com/.

    Many Georgists are persuaded that the problems of sprawl are simply not going to be solved unless and until HG’s remedy is adopted. It will motivate the private sector to put choice land near the center of things to its highest and best use, which will, among other things, produce housing for people at all income levels. Will some people still want the house in the distant suburbs with the acre and the white picket fence? Sure. But many more will be content if they can find an affordable, technologically modern home much closer to their work and to schools they feel they can trust to educate their children well.

    And the density which such land use creates will make effective and efficient public transportation realistic, getting more of us out of our cars and onto the sidewalks. Walkable cities. Healthier residents. Less fuel used. Less greenhouse gas.

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  2. No disrespect to Alan T, but given his and GG’s somewhat different styles of public speaking it seems like a funny substitute.

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  3. Unusual stance from Jonathan Neale, last time I saw him speak at a meeting, he explained why the key to fighting climate change was going to church.
    Not joking.
    Supposedly he had gone to church and found them very receptive to the ideas of the anti-climate change movement. Or whatever its called.
    I suppose its a case of a “broad church” being taken literally.

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  4. You may be misremembering Bill. I’ve heard him speak twice this year and on both occasions he put a lot of weight on a mass movement and the organised working class. But in any case if a church group does invite a socialist to speak on climate change that’s a good thing. I’d accept.

    Adamski – on this subject Alan has done a lot more thinking than GG and while the style wasn’t barnstorming the content was good.

    Stroppy – someone with “bluespower” in his e mail address posted the comment. He may be known to you and has previous posted as “Dave from Stoke Newington”. Does that narrow it down?

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  5. Nope. It was at the Campaign for Climate Change meeting in Manchester – its part of his turn towards a broad campaign, certainly including the working class, but also the church, liberals, Tories, any random MEPs that happen to be available and basically anyway else respectable he can inveigle along the way.
    In the old days it was called “popular frontism”, now its just the flavour of the month.
    It was at the same time he opposed calling for the renationalisation of the railways on the grounds it was too radical and would narrow his broad church. Never mind that its RMT policy and all.

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  6. opposed renationalisation of rail? The Green Party has this as as a policy and it seems fairly mainstream?

    I am amazed.

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  7. There is a debate within Campaign against Climate Change over what it’s demands should be.

    When CCC was launched it campaigned around Bush’s refusal to ratify Kyoto and for a tough international treaty, climate change then wasn’t on the mainstream agenda, so it’s aim was very much to raise awareness of the issue.

    Evidently, things are hotting up, now even the Tories and the big business talk about climate change.

    So there is a debate over what the focus of CCC should be.

    In building the group there has been the idea of the campaign in its slogans leaving the question of solutions to the climate crisis open-ended to build a mass environmental movement which can then meaninfully debate these issues.

    Personally, i think that this approach has now served its usefullness and there are several very broad demands that we could unite a broad movement on climate change around.

    For example, renationalisation of railways + expansion of public transport, transfer to renewable energy, building insulation, and regulations of corporations

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  8. The Georgists, if they’re who I’m thinking of (“land value taxation”, right?), are far from the worst thing on the Green Left. They may not know much about economics, but the whole earth-as-common-treasury thing definitely has its points from a communist point of view. No to enclosures! No to primitive accumulation! And so forth.

    (TWOTGL, I’m afraid, is Social Credit – very popular among a certain type of Green who’s headed Left, didn’t bump into Marx but kept going. Bring back the Kibbo Kift and do the thing properly, I say.)

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  9. Adamski is right on this and I’ll post something shortly on the issue.

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  10. […] Mac Uaid reports from the Campaign Against Climate Change conference in Britain A strongly represented view was that what we do is more important than how we label ourselves and that it’s entirely possible for socialists to develop theory and activities on climate change without changing how they view themselves. Again Derek and Alan dissented from this reminding the audience that the impact of climate change on the world’s population obliges socialist to rethink all their basic ideas inherited from the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. […]

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  11. Adamski et al – this stuff about finding “transitional demands” is fascinating stuff and is, I think, very difficult to gauge – billj’s maximalism aside. And it differs from place to place, of course.
    I can’t speak to the specifics in Britain, which will reflect all sorts of subjective and objective elements that I don’t have a handle on. But I know that in North America, I can’ t imagine nationalization of anything winning support, even in the mainstream of the union movement. That sort of consciousness simply has been eliminated (for the moment). And the scale of what’s necessary is so massive it’s easy to get overwhelmed by it and drift into maximum program mode. For instance, over here, the suburbs will ultimately have to be eliminated – they make mass transit impossible, they encourage a massive carbon footprint per person, massive water use, inefficient use of building materials, housing maintenance materials (from lawnmowers to power tools). Now, bulldozing under the suburbs and replacing them with high density housing would not be a popular demand – but stronger city and regional planning laws that expand high density housing might be – especially if it can be done in a way that makes it attractive to working class people as an alternative to the single-family home + 1 car per person community model.
    Similarly, setting a figure for public investment in sustainable power, say as a percentage of the national budget could be effective (there was a popular campaign in Canada for housing several years ago that touted the 1% Solution – demanding 1% of the national budget be dedicated to building affordable housing).
    No doubt there are many others that would resonate in a concrete way with working class experiences. Life in the suburbs is for most people the best of bad choices – putting forward demands that alleviate their unpleasant conditions (gridlock during rush hour is a pig in most N.American cities) could be popular if they can be disseminated.

    As for the final point in a very useful and interesting piece about lifestylism. Liam states: “The example I threw into the discussion was that socialist men live in a world with a lot of sexism and while we know that our impact on this is pretty small we try as best we can to avoid being sexist.”

    This is wrong-headed, it seems to me. The reason that socialist men have an obligation to oppose sexism is not “prefigurative” in the sense of providing an example of how people ought to live in some future socialist society. Frankly, we have no idea how people will relate and cannot step outside this world. The central reason for opposing sexism is because women’s liberation is central to socialism, not an add-on. And it is more difficult for women to fight for their liberation where their fellow workers treat them with disrespect – and it weakens the united struggle of workers. After WWII the workers movement in N. America accepted that women should be driven out of their jobs and back into their homes. That division laid the basis for future weakness that made McCarthyism possible, weakened the struggle against Jim Crow, etc. ie. an injury to one is an injury to all.
    With the environment this is simply apples and oranges – incomparable situations. I say this as someone who recycles most of my waste, including organics (which goes in the compost bin), who doesn’t own a car and cycles everywhere. The barriers to reducing the size of individuals’ carbon footprints are NOT lifestyle barriers in the individual choice sense of the word. People drive to work because they live in the burbs and there is a lack of decent, accessible mass transit, they use extra energy to heat and cool their homes because the method and materials of home construction are designed to maximize profits for the developers and provide little environmental benefits – either in terms of residents’ comfort or the planet. The amount of waste produced in everyday life comes from the packaging needed by capitalist consumer industries that want to build brand loyalty. I could go on ad infinitum.
    Sure, we should demand that cities introduce composting and recycling programs but to put any focus on telling people to live more green both plays into the mainstream blame game (where workers are always to blame) and it demobilizes people. It has people obsessing about the details of their daily lives, rather than challenging the broader policy & social causes that are the real problem.

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  12. oops, apologies for gassing on…

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  13. No need to apologise. It’s exactly the sort of thoughtful contribution I was hoping to get. Thanks.

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  14. Calling for the renationalisation of the rail is “maximalism”?
    A “transitional demand”?
    Nationalisation of the rail is the policy of the RMT – the biggest rail union in Britain – it is trade union politics – part of the minimum programme – and yet you “can’t see it winning support”.?!
    It is only 10 years since rail was nationalised.
    What’s thoughtful about saying stuff with no foundation in fact – or indeed – thought.
    I find it interesting how much of socialist theory is explaining why socialists shouldn’t fight for socialism – i.e. the needs of the working class.
    If nationalisation of the rail – a popular measure by anyone’s definition – is necessary to stop climate change, socialists should fight for it.

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  15. Bill – “thoughtful” means that he spent some time thinking about it, not that I necessarily agree with everything he said, in particular the part in which he has the temerity to suggest that I might be wrong.

    You may have noticed that one or two people who comment here don’t always engage their brain fully before they write. I’m trying to use a bit of positive reinforcement.

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  16. Fair enough. And I concede I was grouchy.

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  17. “If nationalisation of the rail – a popular measure by anyone’s definition – is necessary to stop climate change, socialists should fight for it.”

    I wrote: “I can’t speak to the specifics in Britain, which will reflect all sorts of subjective and objective elements that I don’t have a handle on. But I know that in North America, I can’ t imagine nationalization of anything winning support, even in the mainstream of the union movement.”

    ie. I don’t know how widespread is support for the RMT policy. Our postal workers union has a position in its policy book calling for workers control of the means of production. In theory this is what’s necessary to stop climate change – expecting it to be part of any broad campaign’s demands would be daft. Expecting most postal workers to mobilize around the policy (or likely to even know about it) would be daft.

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  18. I have blogging on the lifestyle/pre-figurative stuff, it is also about how a greener society would look…any way this may be of interest

    http://another-green-world.blogspot.com/2008/06/derek-wall-on-leader-debate.html may amuse you all!

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  19. The call for renationalisation of the railways is one that I think would have a large resonance among the public in Britain particularly among people who have traditionally voted Labour, not just trade unionists and more political people. It would also start to build an alliance between the environmental movement and the RMT, and build a bridge between working people and environmentalism which has been dominated by the middle class to make them realise that the kind of measures needed to tackle the climate crisis are of benefit to the mass of people. There’s a danger of a popular backlash against the climate crisis with people just seeing it as an excuse for the government to tax them more.

    Many people are irritated by record pofits going hand in hand with rising prices. For example, where I live I witnessed first hand a piece of working class direct action:
    http://cardiffrespect.blogspot.com/2008/01/fare-strike-against-first-great-western.html

    The demonstrators made a very pertinent point: The rail companies profits go up by 10% and then they raise prices by 10%!

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