RUC People often say to me “Liam, is there an easy way to find out if someone on the British left or in one of its anglophone satellites is a bit vague on how significant British imperialism’s domination of Ireland is?”

Invariably my reply is “what do they call the bit in the north with more British soldiers than Iraq?”

If they call it “Northern Ireland” it can mean many things. They may be new to socialist organisations and still on a learning curve. If they are a bit longer in the tooth it can mean that they are linguistically sloppy. More usually it means that they are tranquillo with British imperialism and, inasmuch as they think about the place at all, just wish that the Irish could get on with normal working class politics. So I usually sum it up as the clueless, the pro-imperialist and the liberal. Does that sound harsh? It’s not meant to.

The accompanying photo was taken in central Belfast last weekend. It shows an armed paramilitary police force protecting a squadron of the British state’s mercenary killers as they strut though the town. Fifty thousand people turned out to welcome them.  Most of them would refer to the area as “Northern Ireland” which they’d probably pronounce “Norn Iron”.

There were some small counter protests. Sinn Fein has long abandoned any pretence of being an anti-imperialist organisation and has even sunk so low as to be part of the “conflict resolution” industry in Iraq. But you can guarantee that no one in Belfast who is actively or passively opposed to the imperialist domination of Ireland would use the phrase “Norn Iron”. That’s what you call it when you accept that it has some right to exist. If your starting point is that it has to be destroyed you call it “the north”, “the north of Ireland”, “the six counties” or some permutation of these.

Not so very long go the British left was pretty good at getting the nomenclature right. That is no longer true. The mass struggle against imperialism has been defeated and an acceptance of the the imperial settlement is commonplace among a British left which generally failed to register that a big defeat had happened. The recent proposed changes in the abortion legislation were a good example of this drift. All sorts of model resolutions have been flying around and they all stay inside the pro-imperial consensus.

Is it important? I think it is. Even the use of language is an act of rejection of the unacceptable. Leanne Wood managed to get herself chucked out of the Welsh Assembly for referring to the biggest scrounging parasite in Europe as “Mrs Windsor”. Leanne was making her views on toadying to unelected heads of state very clear. Hers is an example more should follow.



21 responses to “Norn Iron”

  1. Was it PSFer Connor Murphy who had folks in his office refer to the North as “here” and the South as “there”? Even for the lexicon of Peaceprocessia that’s a bit bland. It’s not nearly as snappy as “parity of esteem” (such “esteem” was evidenced at the weekend;s RIR march).

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  2. Well the ‘six counties’ was my vote, must be my years of political education in the ISG, at least we knew what imperialism was even if we never agreed on anything else…

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  3. Just voted for the six counties.

    The only time I’ll be doing that!

    I actually call it like it is: the occupied territory.

    To which the reply, “Wot, the West Bank?”

    “No, Nothern — oh, fuck!”

    And to be fair on them, SF weren’t exactly in favour of the invasion of Iraq in the first place. Though I suppose certain SF leaders would have had the opportunity to kneecap Bush – or at least give him a wedgie, like any decent anti-imperialist…

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  4. Isn’t the most northern part of the island of Ireland in “the south”? Six counties gets my vote

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  5. Once upon a time I’d have said “six counties” but if want you to convince people outside of the far left ghetto of the wrongness of the British presence in Ireland it has to be a term they understand .
    So I voted “north of Ireland”.

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  6. Liam, I agree with you that the language used is important, it seems that 6 counties perfectly acceptable to every type of socialist now. When I was a student, a couple of mad stalinists in my labour club insisted stopping meetings to correct comrades who used anything other than the phrase “North of Ireland”; I’ve had some resistance to it ever since.

    I probably disagree with much of the rest of what you’ve written, this paragraph caught my eye “The mass struggle against imperialism has been defeated and an acceptance of the the imperial settlement is commonplace among a British left which generally failed to register that a big defeat had happened. The recent proposed changes in the abortion legislation were a good example of this drift. All sorts of model resolutions have been flying around and they all stay inside the pro-imperial consensus.”

    When we were all in the Socialist Alliance together, the SWP (at the Birmingham conference) insisted on getting their exact formulation of words for Troops Out voted through, I assumed they’d done the same in Respect, but there is no mention of the 6 counties in the old Respect manifesto or the policy archive, I’m guessing that Galloway is some sort of two-stater for Ireland, so the SWP didn’t think they should include this.

    Surely though RespectRenewal would have corrected this, but no, barely a mention. Certainly not in the policy sections on Occupation or Imperialism, just the briefest of mentions in the section on consitutional rights, alongside independance for Wales.

    Has respect got a conference coming up soon where you could correct this? “Is it important? I think it is”

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  7. How would you describe the following Respect big nobs, clueless, pro-imperialist or liberal

    George Galloway
    Mark Perryman

    Or indeed Moazzam Begg interviewing Gareth Pierce.

    you can find them all on the respectrenewal website.

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  8. Well yes yes Liam

    But is can be tedious political correctyness as well.

    For the majority of British people the lingusitic code is impenetrable, so if you wish to have a dialogue you have to use the language they understand.

    Also when refering to the constitution, especialy as it affects the relation between Stormont and Westminster, or the status of Irish MPs in Westminster, then the constitional legislation is the 2006 Nothern Ireland Act, and t have a discussion about the constitution as it relates to Britain without using the term Northern Ireland is impossible.

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  9. “Not so very long go the British left was pretty good at getting the nomenclature right. That is no longer true. The mass struggle against imperialism has been defeated and an acceptance of the the imperial settlement is commonplace among a British left which generally failed to register that a big defeat had happened”.

    I agree with that Liam. Obviously due to my education on anti-imperialism in the ISG (rather like Graham S) I use north of Ireland or even the occupied six counties.

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    That parade was something else. It was as if it was the Boer War all over again. Although the loyalists dressed up in Arab robes and false beards were at least some kind of light relief.

    On the Eirigi demo people were asking where the left and the anti-war movement were, which is a good question. To be completely fair, there was a small demo of anarchists, but they were cooped up in Castle Street by the cops.

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  11. On the parade itself, it would be more accurate to point out this was not a parade of mercenrary killers, but of the Royal Irish Regiment, Irish Guards, Royal Dragoon Guards and the Territorial Army.

    In so far as a significant proportion of the population of the six counties regard themselves as British, this is not a mercenary force, but the national army of the state and nation they feel alleigence to.

    This is actually part of a sustained strategy by the armed forces over the last few months, with regimental parades through towns and cities across the UK.

    Splinty’s question of where the left and anti-war movement was is avery good one. We simply haven’t faced up to the fact that the public sentiment has moved on, and the state is playing a blinder to win support for the war in Afghanistan (one example being the dramatic shift in the politics of the BBC drame Spooks). Also the emphasis that the army and RAF have of wearing their uniforms in public now.

    I recently visited some relatives, and their 17 year old grandson has just joined the army. last week A typical recruit, a bright and likeable lad, underachieved at school, confused and needing a sense of identity.

    When we marched against the Iraq war, he was 11 years old.

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  12. “On the parade itself, it would be more accurate to point out this was not a parade of mercenrary killers, but of the Royal Irish Regiment, Irish Guards, Royal Dragoon Guards and the Territorial Army.”

    I once told the wife of a senior (New) South African army officer that as the UK was not involved in an existential struggle against a foreign occupier, then those who join the army here are going to do a job where they kill people for money. I’ve heard a relatively non-political friend express the same thought when a British soldier was killed a few months ago. It always used to outrage me that the British government would constantly used to describe the IRA as cowards when they weren’t well paid, were on the run, didn’t have generous pensions to look forward to, and so wouldn’t be doing it without the commitment to the cause being primary, whereas for soldiers the patriotic element can be entirely secondary.

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  13. Derry / Londonderry
    Catholic / Papist
    Mercenary killer / national army of the state and nation they feel allegiance to

    Yes language can be a tricky and divisive business.

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  14. Well over the years i have had several friends either in the British army and RAF, or who had been in previoulsy, and they join for a variety of reasons.

    Many of the new recruits are simply lost young men looking for meaning and direction in their lives, and it is a job you can get without any GCSEs.

    it is ridiculous to decsribe soldiers as “mercenaries”, and doing a job where you “kill people for money”, of course there is an element of truth in such descriptions but reality is much more complex than that, and while it may be self satisfying to be part of the in-crowd of the politically correct, it is a barreir to connecting with the way the majority of working class people see things.

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  15. Liam

    Surely as you live in London you have to recognise that the political project and therefore the language used by socialists in Britain is by necessaity different from the political project and language used by socialists and republicans in Ireland.

    It is also reductionist to reduce unionism even in Ireland to their relationship with the Catholic and nationalist populations of Ireland, the union is with the British crown, and the unionists have a shared political project with the British state – whereever it takes them, from the bloody fields at the Somme to the mountains of Afghanistan.

    The working class boys who are the cannon fodder for imperialism’s wars are not “mercenaries” whether they come from Belfast, Liverpool, Glasgow or Bristol. And use of sch language is offensive to many people who would otherwise be open to socialist arguments.

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  16. I heard a BBC presenter tell James Whale on the radio yesterday that he would get fired if he appeared onscreen without a poppy at this time of year. Since the need has arisen to mobilize working-class opinion in favour of war it has been considered shocking to point out from an anti-war perspective that the motivation of many recruits isn’t exactly nobility. Though it’s OK for the government to run ads saying “Join the army, learn a trade”. Doesn’t mean screaming “Murderer!” at every soldier you see, but if you want to change the world rather than just get people to think you stand for what they already believe in the hope of being elected then the truth won’t hurt. I’ve met ex-soldiers both British and Irish who don’t find this reasoning offensive. Maybe when you’ve fought in a war you don’t find words so painful.

    I was thinking about “Bordered Island/Ireland” but that’s more of a nationalist description of the whole caboodle. Maybe for the Prods there’s “Bored Of Ireland”.

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  17. A description of just how awful the Belfast parade was can be found at the link below. Highlights include

    “Chants switched from “The Famine is over – why don’t you go home”, “Take a bath you f***king scum,” and “Do you want a chicken supper Bobby Sands”. This was directed at a group representing families which had members murdered by the British army.

    “A senior British Army officer expressed satisfaction that a parade that would have been impossible just five or ten years ago had passed off with so little incident.”

    The author remarks “no major city in Britain has hosted a military parade of the scale of the one that took place in Belfast. ”

    If you ever doubted that loyalism is imperialism’s mass base in Ireland that parade was your proof.

    http://www.socialistdemocracy.org/RecentArticles/RecentRIRHomecoming.html

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  18. On a footnote the Unionist Belfast City Council probably a corperation then refused to honour a VC winner because he was a Catholic. It was WW2.
    Kids join armies for a variety of purposes. I am a bit sympathetic. To expect a full class concious attitude in the West and even Ireland would be a very hard line. Blame the politicians not the dupes.
    In teh 26 Counties there is a big revisionist movement. The Irish TImes had a diary column from a British Army officer. The Irish Bourgeoisie are getting ready to play a slightly bigger role as a minor part of the EU bourgeoisie.

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  19. “The author remarks “no major city in Britain has hosted a military parade of the scale of the one that took place in Belfast. ””

    But many smaller towns have,

    Indeed the parade through belfast was given a dry run by the very same troops through Shrewsbury only the week before. This is becoming a very regular part of the British Army’s routine.

    Part of the reason that they are parading through the smaller towns is that is where they are barracked – the Royal Irish Regiment is in Shrewsbury for example, the Black Watch in Warminster, and so it goes on. All three servcies marcched through Wootton basset in September. 3rd Battallian the paratroop regiment marched through Colcester, and the 2nd battallion through Aldershot.

    I am sure that Belfast was singled out as the only major city where they thought they could get away with it and get a big crowd – but that is becuase they are building up to British cities I am sure.

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  20. Sky News just had an interview with the former Arsenal player Perry Groves from “Noirth London”. How about “Noir Ireland” in honour of the election of Paraic O’Bama?

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  21. Prinkipo Exile has it completely right. To refer to the six-county statelet in the North-East as the North (or any variation thereof) implies that Donegal is in “the South” when clearly it’s in the North. In that it’s in Northern Ireland the way Cork is in Southern Ireland (and Galway is in Western Ireland). Oh, I need to stop, I’m getting a headache.

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