This piece by François Sabado comes from the International Viewpoint site. It is  a reply to an article by Alex Callinicos which can be found in ISJ here.

 

Alex Callinicos’s article shows well the changes that have taken place in the radical left in recent months. The characteristics of the situation, and in particular the deepening of the crisis of the capitalist system and the social-liberal evolution of social democracy, confirm that there is a space “to the left of the reformist left”. This space opens up possibilities for the building of new political formations or for initiatives like that of the Conferences of the anti-capitalist left, a process which requires clarifications.

Logo of the NPA

 Certain experiences involve a diversity of currents. Although the political frontiers between these currents do not always appear clearly, on the other hand, in order to go forward, the question of support for or participation in centre-left or social-liberal governments is a fundamental dividing line in the politics of alliances or regroupment.

There are not only “paths that diverge”, but different politics and distinct projects. When Callinicos’s article, [1], evokes “more positive experiences” in connection with Die Linke in Germany and the NPA in France, it is in fact a question of two different projects.

In the case of Die Linke, we are dealing with a left reformist party: a party integrated into the institutions of the German State, a party the great majority of whose members come from the ex-PDS – the party of the bureaucracy of the former GDR -, a party which has come out in favour of a common government with the SPD, lastly a party whose project of society comes down to the “return to the Welfare State”. Admittedly, this party also reflects, in the west of Germany, a movement of radicalisation of certain sectors of the social movement, a step forward for the workers’ movement. But revolutionaries should not confuse these processes with the leadership of Die Linke, its reformist policies, its subordination to capitalist institutions, and its objectives of participation in government with the SPD.

The NPA on the other hand presents itself as an anti-capitalist a party. A party whose centre of gravity is centred on struggles, on the social movements and not in parliamentary institutions, a party whose founding characteristic is the rejection of any alliance or any participation in government with the centre-left or with social-liberalism, a party which does not stop at anti-liberalism but all of whose politics is directed towards a break with capitalism and the overthrow of the power of the ruling classes.

In all these cases, we are confronted with political formations: there are delimitations, programmes, policies, but they are not the same ones.

Anti-capitalist party or united front of a particular kind?

Also, we cannot share the approach of Callinicos on the characterization of the new formations of the radical left as “a united front of a particular kind”… The SWP’s conceptions were formulated by John Rees, one of their leaders, in the following way: “The Socialist Alliance [the precursor of Respect] is thus best seen as a united front of a particular kind applied to the electoral field. It seeks to unite left reformist activists and revolutionaries in a common campaign around a minimum programme”. [2] This conception, originally linked to the British experience, was generalized as “the SWP’s conception of the nature of the new formations of the radical left”. We disagree with this conception.

To use the term “united front” for the building of a party or a political formation really is an innovation.

The united front is a response to the problems that are posed by the united action or the unification of the workers or of the social movement and of their organizations. The united front and the building of a party are two distinct things. An anti-capitalist and/or revolutionary workers’ party – over and above its precise definition – is a delimited political formation, on the basis of a programme and a comprehensive strategy of conquest of power by and for the workers. An anti-capitalist party cannot be the organic expression of “the whole class”. Even though it must seek to constitute “a new representation of the workers”, or the convergence of a series of political currents, it will nevertheless not make the other currents of the social movement or even the organizations that are “reformist or of reformist origin” led by bureaucratic apparatuses, disappear The question of the united front remains posed.

Why should we not regard anti-capitalist parties as frameworks of the united front? Because if that were the case, it would amount to regarding these parties as a simple alliance or unitary framework – even of a particular kind – and thus to underestimating building them as a framework or a mediation necessary for the emergence of the revolutionary leaderships of tomorrow. To consider the NPA as a united front framework would amount to “toning down” its political positions to make them compatible with the realization of this united front. For example, we do not make the unity of action of the workers’ and social movement conditional on an agreement on the question of government. Is that a reason for the NPA to give up or even relativise a battle on the question of government? No, we do not think so. The NPA made the question of government – the refusal to participate in governments of class collaboration – a decisive delimitation of its political combat. This example obviously demonstrates, but we could also evoke other examples, that the NPA is not a united front framework. We want to build it as a coming together of experiences, activists and currents but especially as a party. To regard it as a “united front of a particular kind” amounts to underestimating the battles that are necessary in order to build a political alternative. This conception of “a united front of a particular kind around a minimum programme” led the leadership of the SWP to reproach the leadership of the LCR with having “a negative and sometimes ultimatist attitude towards the collectives”, when the LCR was putting at the centre of its political battle the refusal to take part in a government with the leadership of the Socialist Party (PS). With hindsight, dos the leadership of the SWP still think that these reproaches were well-founded?

And today, when Jean Luc Mélenchon, one of the organizers of the socialist left, leaves the PS, while maintaining the continuity of his reformist conceptions, his positions on participation in or support for the Mitterrand and Jospin governments, and declaring that he wants to build a French “Die Linke”,
what should be the attitude of revolutionaries? To support him and join in his proposals and projects for alliances with the French Communist Party, which maintains the perspective of governing tomorrow… with the PS, or to take into account his break with the PS, have a positive approach to unity of action with his current, but not confuse the building of an anti-capitalist left with the building of a left reformist party… Once again, yes to unity of action – as we engaged in at the time of the No campaign in the referendum on Europe – and to debate, but knowing that the differences on the relationship to representative institutions and the attitudes concerning the question of government separate the electoral alternatives and the projects of building parties. The building of a French Die Linke, in relation to the history of the revolutionary movement and to what has been accumulated by the NPA, would constitute a retreat for the building of an anti-capitalist alternative. Whereas a whole sector influenced by the anti-capitalist left has taken its distance from the leaderships of the traditional left, to constitute a new left reformist force would represent a a step back for the workers’ movement. We would once again involve all this sector in “reformist manoeuvres”. Conceptions of the type of the “united front of a particular kind” could then disarm us in defining a clear policy vis-à-vis this type of current.

This conception, which underestimates the strategic range of the differences on the questions of government and representative institutions, throws light on some of your international positions. It can thus explain, in the policy of the comrades of the IST in Germany, a relativisation of the critique of the policies of the leadership of Die Linke on the question of participation in governments with the SPD.

In the same way, we can also note the indulgence of the comrades towards the new leadership of bloc Rifondazione Comunista in Italy. At the last congress of Rifondazione, a “left” reaction by its members put the partisans of Bertinotti in a minority. However the policy followed by the new leadership is in continuity with the historical positions of Rifondazione Comunista, and continues to endorse the policy of alliances with the Democratic Party in all the regional executives governed by the centre-left.

Lastly, didn’t this conception of “a united front of a particular kind around a minimum programme” contribute to disarming the leadership of the SWP vis-à-vis Galloway, for whom Respect had to “[sustain] alliances with local Muslim notables who could deliver votes”?

Your browser may not support display of this image.Your browser may not support display of this image.Your browser may not support display of this image. To consider an anti-capitalist party as a united front framework can also lead to sectarian deviations… If the united front is realised, even in a particular form, might we not be tempted to make everything go through the channel of the party, precisely underestimating the real battles for unity of action? Because the anti-capitalist party must combine the party activities of a party and an orientation of unitary action… because we have not forgotten, contrary to what Callinicos suggests, that reformism continues to exist, that the movement of the workers has divisions, differentiations, and that it is necessary to intervene to draw it together, to unify the workers and their organizations.

Once again, the united front, in all its varieties, is one thing. Another thing is the building of a political alternative, which is the choice of the NPA.

What kind of revolutionary party?

Alex Callinicos tries to catch us out by explaining to us that, although the NPA is an anti-capitalist party, it is “not a revolutionary party in the specific sense in which it has been understood in the classical Marxist tradition”. We can discuss the classical Marxist tradition, extremely rich in its diversity.

Depending on the history, the degree of strategic clarification, on principles and organizational tactics, without forgetting the various interpretations of this or that revolutionary current, there are several models. It is true that the NPA is not the replica of the revolutionary organizations of the period after May ‘68. Anti-capitalist parties like the NPA do not start from general historical or ideological definitions. Their starting point is “a common understanding of events and tasks” on the questions that are key for intervening in the class struggle. Not a sum of tactical questions, but the key political questions, like the question of a programme for political intervention around an orientation of class unity and independence.

In this movement, there is a place and even a necessity for other histories, other references coming from the most varied origins.

Does that make it a party without a history, a programme and delimitations? No. It has a history, a continuity: that of class struggles, the best of the socialist, communist, libertarian and revolutionary Marxist traditions. It situates itself in the revolutionary traditions of the contemporary world, basing itself, more precisely, on the long chain of French revolutions from1793 to May ‘68, via the days of 1848, the Paris Commune and the general strike of 1936.

The NPA is also a type of party which tries to answer the needs of a new historical period – which opened at the end of the 20th and the beginning of the 21st century – and to the need to refound a socialist programme faced with the combined historical crisis of capitalism and of the environment of the planet.

Faced with such challenges, the NPA affirms itself as a revolutionary party rather in the sense given by Ernest Mandel in the following lines.

“What is a revolution?

A revolution is the radical overthrow, in a short time, of economic structures and (or) political power, by the tumultuous action of broad masses. It is also the abrupt transformation of the mass of the people from a more or less passive object into a decisive actor of political life.

A revolution breaks out when these masses decide to put an end to conditions of existence that seem to them unbearable. It thus always expresses a grave crisis of a given society. This crisis has its roots in a crisis of the structures of domination. But it also expresses a loss of legitimacy of governments, a loss of patience, on the part of broad popular sectors.

Revolutions are, in the end, inevitable – the real locomotives of historical progress – precisely because domination by a class cannot be eliminated by the road of reforms. Reforms can at the most soften it, not suppress it. Slavery was not abolished by reforms. The absolutist monarchy of the ancien regime was not abolished by reforms. Revolutions were necessary in order to eliminate them.”

“Why are we revolutionaries today?”

Ernest Mandel, La Gauche January 10, 1989.

It is true that this definition is more general than the strategic, even politico-military hypotheses which provided the framework for the debates of the 1970s, which were at that time illuminated by the revolutionary crises of the 20th century.

Anti-capitalist parties like the NPA are “revolutionary”, in the sense that they want to put an end to capitalism – “ the radical overth
row of economic and political structures (thus state structures) of power” – and the building of a socialist society implies revolutions where those below drive out those above, and “take the power to change the world”.

They have a strategic programme and delimitations, but these are not completed. Let us recall that Lenin, including against part of the leadership of the Bolshevik Party, changed or substantially modified his strategic framework in April 1917, in the middle of a revolutionary crisis. He went from the “democratic dictatorship of the workers and peasants” to the need for a socialist revolution and the power of the workers’ councils… Certainly, Lenin had consolidated over the years a party based on the objective of a radical overthrow of Tsarism, on the refusal of any alliance with the democratic bourgeoisie, and on the independence of the forces of the working-class allied with the peasantry. And this preparatory phase was decisive. But many questions were decided in the very course of the revolutionary process.

Many things have changed compared to the period after May ‘68, and more generally compared to a whole historical period marked by the driving power of the Russian Revolution. It is more than thirty years since the advanced capitalist countries experienced revolutionary or pre-revolutionary situations. The examples that we can use are based on the revolutions of the past. But, once again, we do not know what the revolutions of the 21st century will be like. The new generations will learn much from experience and many questions remain open.

What we can and must do is to solidly base the parties that we build on a series of “strong” references, drawn from the experience and the intervention of recent years, which constitute a programmatic and strategic foundation. Let us recall them: an anti-capitalist transitional programme which combines immediate demands and transitional demands, a redistribution of wealth, the challenging of capitalist property, social appropriation of the economy, class unity and independence, a break with the economy and the central institutions of the capitalist state, the rejection of any policy of class collaboration, the taking into account of the ecosocialist perspective, the revolutionary transformation of society…

Recent debates have led us to make more precise our conceptions of violence. We have reaffirmed that “it was not the revolutions that were violent but the counter-revolutions”, as in Spain in 1936 or in Chile in 1973, that the use of violence aimed at protecting a revolutionary process against violence from the ruling classes.

So in what respect does this new party constitute a change with regard to the LCR? It must be a party that is broader than the LCR. A party which does not incorporate the entire history of Trotskyism and which has the ambition of making possible new revolutionary syntheses. A party which is not reduced to the unity of revolutionaries. A party which dialogues with millions of workers and young people. A party which translates its fundamental programmatic references into popular explanations, agitation and formulas. From this point of view, the campaigns of Olivier Besancenot constitute a formidable starting point. A party which is capable of conducting wide-ranging debates on the fundamental questions which affect society: the crisis of capitalism, global warming, bio-ethics, etc. A party of activists and adherents which makes it possible to integrate thousands of young people and workers with their social and political experience, preserving their links with the backgrounds they come from. A pluralist party which brings together a whole series of anti-capitalist currents. We do not want a second LCR or an enlarged and broader version pf the LCR. To make a success of the gamble we are taking, this party must represent a new political reality, follow in the tradition of the revolutionary movement, and contribute to inventing the revolutions and the socialism of the 21st century.

To avoid reformist temptations, really build an anti-capitalist party!

In spite of these delimitations, Callinicos remains sceptical: “The LCR’s solution to the problem seems to be to install a kind of programmatic security-lock – commitment to anti-capitalism and opposition to centre-left governments. But this is unlikely to work: the more successful the NPA, the more it is likely to come under reformist pressures and temptations”.

Why such fatalism? Why would the development of the NPA automatically lead to reformist temptations? It is necessary from this point of view to make the difference between a “spontaneous trade-unionism” [3], to take up a formula of Lenin, and reformism as a political project and organisation, and even an apparatus… And this “spontaneous trade-unionism”, although it can constitute an environment that is favourable to reformist ideas, can also, faced with the increasing alignment of the reformist apparatuses on capitalist politics, move towards radical anti-capitalist, even revolutionary, positions, especially when the capitalist system is entering a phase where it is reaching its historical limits. It is logical, if we build a popular, pluralist, broad, open party, that this party will come under all sorts of pressures. If it did not, that would be abnormal. But why should these pressures be expressed in crystallized reformist positions? There is and there can be a tension between the anti-capitalist character of the new party and the fact that workers, young people, even a series of personalities, join the new party quite simply because they seek a real left party, starting in particular from the interventions of Olivier Besancenot.

These new members can indeed be combative but full of illusions. This is the case with every mass party, even one that is in a minority.

That is when it will be necessary to discuss and educate. That implies even more giving a “strong” content to the political responses of the NPA and carefully maintaining the radical character and the independence of the party.

In the same way, if these parties want to play a part in the reorganization of the social movements, they must be pluralist. Many sensibilities must find their place in their ranks, including “consistent reformist” activists and currents, but that does not automatically mean that the problem is posed in terms of struggles between the revolutionary current and crystallized reformist currents which would have to be fought. The key question is that all the currents and activists of the NPA, over and above their positions on “reform and revolution”, put “the class struggle” at the centre and subordinate their positions in representative institutions to struggles and social movements. Of course, we cannot exclude the hypothesis of a confrontation between reformists and revolutionaries. But it is not very probable, with the present political delimitations of the NPA, that bureaucratic reformist currents will join or crystallize… In a first historical phase of building the party, the role of revolutionaries is to do everything they can so that the process of constitution of the party really does give birth to a new political reality. That implies that revolutionaries avoid projecting the debates of the former revolutionary organization into the new party. As soon as the NPA has taken off, there will of course be discussions, differentiations, currents. Perhaps certain debates will correspond to cleavages between revolutionary perspectives and
more or less consistent reformism. But even in these cases, the debate will not take the form of a political battle opposing a bureaucratic reformist bloc to the revolutionaries. Things will be more mixed, depending on the experience of the new party itself.

Is it necessary to organize, in a separate way, a revolutionary current in the NPA?

There too, there is no model. In many anti-capitalist parties, there are one or more revolutionary currents, when these parties are in fact fronts or federations of currents. This is the case of the militants of the Fourth International in Brazil, in the framework of the “Enlace” current. Without organizing themselves as political currents related to the national political life of these parties, certain sections of the Fourth International can be organized in ideological associations or sensibilities. This is for example the case of the ASR within the Left Bloc in Portugal, and of the SAP within the Red-Green Alliance in Denmark. We can also find this type of current in other broader organizations or parties. This schema does not work for the NPA.

First of all for fundamental reasons, namely the anti-capitalist and revolutionary “in the broad sense” character of the NPA, and the general identity of views between the positions of the LCR and those of the NPA. There are and there will of course be political differences between the LCR and the NPA, a greater heterogeneity and a great diversity of positions within the NPA, but the political bases under discussion for the founding congress of the new party already show political convergences between the ex-LCR and the future NPA.

Also, even though the NPA already constitutes another reality than the LCR, even though it is the possible crucible of an anti-capitalist pluralism, it is not justified today to build a separate revolutionary current in the NPA.

There is also a specific relation between the ex-LCR and the NPA. The ex-LCR represents the only national organization taking part in the constitution of the NPA. There are other currents, like the Fraction of Lutte Ouvriere, the Gauche revolutionnaire, communist activists, libertarians, but there are not, unfortunately, at this stage, organizations of a weight equivalent to that of the LCR.

If that had been the case, the problem would be posed in different terms.

In the present relationship of forces, the separate organization of the ex-LCR in the NPA would block the process of building the new party. It would install a system of Russian dolls which would only create mistrust and dysfunctions.

Lastly, the NPA does not start from nothing. It results from a whole experience of members of the ex-LCR, but also of thousands of others who have forged an opinion in a battle to defend a line of independence with respect to social liberalism and reformism.

There is thus a militant synergy within the NPA, where revolutionary positions intersect with other political positions coming from other origins, other histories, other experiences. Only new political tests will lead to new alignments within the NPA, not former political attachments…

It is an unprecedented gamble in the history of the revolutionary workers’

movement, but the game is worth the candle.

We will advance as we walk…

-* François Sabado is a member of the Executive Bureau of the Fourth International and of the National Leadership of the Revolutionary Communist League (LCR, French section of the Fourth International).

NOTES

[1] “Where is the radical left going?” International Socialism, second series, number 120 (2008)

[2] John Rees, “Anti-capitalism, reformism and socialism”, International Socialism, second series, number 90 (2001), p. 32

[3] A formula of Lenin’s evoking the spontaneous trade-union reaction or feeling of workers to defend their conditions of work and existence and their demands

57 responses to “The NPA, a new experience of building an anti-capitalist party – Reply to Alex Callinicos by François Sabado”

  1. i look forward to hearing the ISG’s response to this.
    Once again the LCR propose unity – with only themselves and people who already agree with them.

    And they rule out participation in parties like die Linke, and by implication call for a break with George galloway and Salma yaqoob.

    This isn’t the first time we have heard the argument for respect without galloway, first it came from John Rees, now in a more coded way from the LCR? So do the ISG agree with the proposition that Respect must be a revolutionary party?

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    I note that Lord Callinicos still doesn’t appear to know anything about Germany, not to mention the many other terminological inexactitudes in his article. On the other hand, the LCR initiative has been getting plenty of gushing coverage in Socialist Worker…

    I don’t fully grasp Sabado’s argument – the guy is much too clever for me – but it seems they’re speaking a little at cross purposes.

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  3. Some speak of Alexander, but I’m not sure quite what you’re complaining about. Perhaps some specifics are called for.

    “by implication call for a break with George galloway and Salma yaqoob.”

    By by implication you mean that they only come up as an example of those any realignment of the Left is unlikely to involve.

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  4. Eh, Andy, this article is about the NPA not about respect. Surely just because you organise one way in one country doesn’t mean you’re going to copy that model in another.

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  5. -few- that was a bit of a struggle – can’t say I grasped all of the points in this article, it maybe needs a couple more reads.

    One thing that sticks out for me is that neither Sabado nor Callinicos have really managed to square the circle of how to build a radical left and a revolutionary left at the same time.

    Calinicous – has the united front of the speical kind formulation that means that you can have you tightly organised revolutionary party and your broader party at the same time. In truth, as Sabado points out, this dosen’t work it just creates a conflict of interests and a Russian doll set up.

    Sabado – fudges the issue. He says that you don’t even need a Revolutionary current because if the broad party is anti-capitalist then it is revolutiinary. But this throws open the question of how broad the party really is?

    I still think that the best answer to how we square the circle (or at least one that acknowldges its existacne) is the following given by Smith in a debate with Reess;

    ‘I am convinced that the role of revolutionary Marxists today is to build broad socialist parties while defending their own Marxist positions within them, with the aim, not of building a revolutionary faction with an ‘entrist’ perspective, but of taking forward the whole party and solving together with the whole party the problems that arise, as they arise.’(ISJ, Issue 100, Autumn 2003)

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  6. Nick

    Sabado argues that it is in principle wrong to be in a political organisation of the nature that Respect is.

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  7. I think you’re right Joseph, but I think that its because they pose it in the wrong way.
    In effect I think we need to build a broad socialist movement, within which parties/currents/factions etc. can fight for their politics – with a view to convincing the movement of them. But not then demanding that everyone who disagrees has to pretend to agree, shut up, make out they support it, or even go along with it necessarily at all.
    In other words what counts is not organisational hegemony – winning the most votes – but political hegemony – winning people to ideas that they agree with and actually want to carry out. That should be the only discipline necesary.
    In other words not a non-aggression pact, where socialists pretend not to be socialists through a policy of self abnegation such as that which was the pre-condition for Respect/Socialist Alliance etc. but through a vibrant but comradely exchange of ideas which facilitate joint working wherever possible.

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  8. Andy,

    I have my criticisms of this party proposal, but I do not think that it any point argues that it is unacceptable for revolutionaries to work in a broad reformist party (like Die Linke is or Respect aspires to be). In fact it argues that in specific German conditions Die Linke represents a (confused and contradictory) step forward. In French conditions however it argues that founding a party along the lines of Die Linke would be a step backwards for the forces assembled around the NPA.

    This does not have the implications for the ISG that you infer.

    My issue with the NPA call is that it seems to me that this new category of “anti-capitalist” party is undertheorised and what they are actually building looks likely to fit into the more traditional category of a “centrist” party.

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  9. @ splinteredsunrise: Callinicos does not talk about “Die Linke” in Germany because this would probably raise the question, why Linksruck/Marx21 has more or less dissolved itself in the new party (and got one MLA and several paid full timers)

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  10. Entdinglichung:

    Is this dissolution of the Linksruck organisational as well as political? I agree that their political approach within Die Linke has been opportunist in the extreme and has essentially involved adapting to social democracy but have they begun to fall apart organisationally too?

    Do they still recruit, still sell their publications, still have weekly branch meetings etc?

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  11. “In other words what counts is not organisational hegemony – winning the most votes – but political hegemony – winning people to ideas that they agree with and actually want to carry out.”

    This sounds good, but would seem somewhat to define revolutionaries in contradistinction to reformists: I’m not sure a party of socialists necessarily wants to exclude those who believe the first.

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  12. @ Mark P: they are less visible and don’t sell their paper as often as e.g. 10 years ago and at least do not mamnage to “recruit” many people … don’t know how they are organisied internally, they don’t call themselves an organisation but a “network”,

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  13. Respect without Galloway? Sounds ideal.

    Die Linke are clearly the template Respect is aiming for (I know so, I’ve heard GG say as much) but at no point has there been a sufficient element of Labour defectees to make this a transferable model. DL has secured representation in Germany via a PR form that doesn’t exist in Britain either.

    Even so, DL is a reformist party led by a left populist. Most of its former SPD would be happy with 1980s style social democracy and some corporatism. If you want any evidence of its revolutionary zeal, ask the unions in the states where it is in government and routinely tells them to shove it.

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  14. Just like to point out that the Mark P posting above is not this Mark P. Now that should clear up any confision. Tho’ perhaps to make clear which one I am I would argue that Respect’s only future is one part of a much broader formation of disiillusuoned Labour voters, it will be principally social-democratic content and its success will in part be measured by how miniscule the influence is of tiny far left groups and the CPB.

    In that regard Die Linke is immeasurably more important than any outfit launched by the LCR who have little interest in uniting with anybody, apart from themselves.

    Mark P

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  15. Perhaps the 2 Marks could find some way to distinguish themselves – a nice avatar maybe.

    Joseph – welcome to the world of French trotspeak – a jargon more impenetrable than its English cousin.

    I’m not completely in agreement with all of Francois’ formulations but what is apparent is that the NPA has a real momentum behind it at the moment and, if we are to believe the Economist, its existence is obliging Sarkozy to offset some of the impact of the economic crisis by talking Keynes.

    As for the relationship with social democrat parties there is no doubt – Italy proves it – that acting as a junior partner to a neo-liberal organisation destroys any class struggle party. Who, despite the news of the tax increase for the well off, would be interested in a political relationship with New Labour?

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  16. “Who, despite the news of the tax increase for the well off, would be interested in a political relationship with New Labour?”

    The Labour Representation Committee.

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  17. I normally use the tag “Irish” to distinguish myself from the English Mark P on Socialist Unity. I’d forgotten that he posts here too so I didn’t bother this time. For clarity’s sake, the first two posts by “Mark P” were from me.

    To take up a point made by both Andy and the other Mark P, I don’t think that it’s reasonable to posit a binary choice between the LCR being interested only in “unity with itself” and the LCR being interested in unity with forces tied to the PS. This process seems, from all reports, to involve a number of people in the committees very much larger than the LCR membership. If the new party has three times the LCR’s activist numbers that is quite significant as a starting point.

    Die Linke is a very different project to the NPA, that’s true. And it may well be that Die Linke will be significantly larger and get more votes than the NPA. But if the NPA is consistent in its class struggle line while Die Linke spends its time as a junior partner in neo-liberal governments then it seems to me that the NPA could well be a more useful organisation for socialists. (I say this as someone who would advocate that Marxists in Germany should join Die Linke and in France should be involved in the NPA process)

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  18. I don’t mean to drag this off-topic, but when the attitude of the Renewalists to Respect was well summed up by little black sister on the Mile End thread:
    “The Respect name should belong to Renewal instead of LA, because the electoral base of Respect considers itself best represented by George Galloway and Salma Yaqoob, not by John Rees and Lindsey German”,
    why should the rest of the left trust you in any future organisation not to launch a coup if the celebrities of your faction don’t feel they have enough control? You may want to think this is just a question put for polemical purposes, but it is what everyone else will think.

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  19. Run this past me again.

    * No significant organisation has come on board, other than the LCR.

    * The LCR won’t be organising seperately in it.

    * There won’t be any Russian Dolls involved

    So what’s the difference between the NPA and the LCR again?

    “It is an unprecedented gamble in the history of the revolutionary workers’ movement but the game is worth the etc……”

    I’ve never won a bet on the Grand National on long odds, let alone a candle.

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  20. Prianikoff:

    There appear to be two major differences between the LCR and the NPA:

    1) The NPA seems at this stage to involve about three times as many people as the LCR. By launching a new party, the LCR hope to draw the people attracted to Besancenot into active engagement with a political organisation and, at least in a limited sense, they seem to be making some progress on that.

    2) The LCR seems to be ditching quite a bit of its Trotskyist heritage, for better or for worse.

    A point of comparison might be the SSP, a party that was even less clear on the question of revolution or reform. The SSP was not simply a rebranded Scottish Militant Labour – in political terms it was much softer and in organisational terms it involved a lot of other people. This isn’t meant as an entirely positive or entirely negative comparison.

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  21. Why does the word dilution come to mind?

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  22. Prianikoff, exactly. They want to dilute ideology like a bottle of orange squash. Kautsky himself would be proud.

    Comrades, beware the low hanging fruits of reformism, despite the counsels or otherwise of the Cliffite hordes in the SWP.

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  23. I think that despite themselves, Callinicios and Sabado are slightly talking at cross purposes, which has confused a debate which is itself very nationally centred.

    That is to say that it is difficult at this time to talk of a single paradigm for the type of party we are trying to build in our different countries because of the huge disparity of national conditions.

    Having had some lengthy conversations with some comrades of the LCR I understand that in effect i) the NPA will be a revolutionary party, and ii) this is a reaction to the real conditions of French society.

    No matter how much one might wish to build a “broad party” this would not be an appropriate reaction to the political situation of France.

    There are a number of features that characterise the situation in France.

    The most important are the crisis and the level of struggle.

    The crisis of French capitalism is more akin to the crisis of British capitalism at the end of the 1970s. There is a real feeling of crisis in the country and an understanding on all sides that a radical change of some sort (whether to the left or the right) is in order.

    This has resulted in a series of assaults by the ruling class, which have caused some massive struggles, starting with the hot winter of 1995 and which though they have not rolled back the neo-liberal offensive, have retarded it. Nor have they suffered a defeat of the sort suffered in Britain in the first half of the 1980s.

    This has particularly manifested itself in the electoral support for Olivier Besacenot’s candidacies for the presidency and his very broad popularity. The electoral support of the LCR has fluctuated in over the last ten years but it now seems to be stabilising.

    The very real problem that the LCR, (and the rest of the French left, though they have mostly, like Lutte Ouvrier seem to have chosen to ignore it) is the gap between the massive struggles and the popularity of left and the actual balance of political forces.

    Unlike in Germany, there has not been a break from the reformist left. In fact the PS and the PCF have proved to be remarkably resilient. Even the PCF has remained committed, despite the punishment it has received at the polls for this, to participation in neo-liberal governments, such as Jospin’s plural left. However, even though Besancenot can outpoll the PCF candidate it still has 100,000 members and several thousand elected representatives.

    This tendency of important figures and sectors of the French left to seek to compromise either with the “social-liberal” left or to seek to defend a particular French statist capitalism has been constant drag on struggles. The reaction of the LCR has sometimes seemed quite “ultimatist” for instance around the attitude to a “unitary” anti neo-liberal candidate for the presidency, but it seems that they may have been vindicated on this, a point that Callinicos seems to concede.

    This is a question that simply does not pose itself at the moment in Britain, as no left of labour formation has even the slightest chance of even entering a coalition in local government, let alone nationally. Nor does the question of choosing mass struggle over such participation.

    These are the main factors that have led to the choice of the NPA as thorough going “anti-capitalist” (in this context revolutionary) party.

    Their conception of the new party as being ant-capitalist, i.e. a party that wishes to “overthrow” capitalism also addresses a very real question faced by the French left now, and which will face all the organisations of the revolutionary left, if and when they start to face systemic crises of national capitals and resultant levels of struggle of the same order as in France.

    The experience of the LCR has been that despite the mass levels of electoral support it can muster it has not been able to grow beyond a certain size. This was, though in slightly different conditions, also an experience of many far left groups across the world in the 1970s.

    The form of most far left groups as being propaganda groups organised around a relatively narrow set of politics drawn from a particular tradition (often a very particular tradition, a certain specific strand of the the Trotskyist tradition, deviant or otherwise) may have been a historical necessity during an era of the complete domination of the working class by either Social Democracy or Stalinism, but it also seems to have an inbuilt limit to how far it can take an organisation.

    Despite a turn to “open recruitment” which does seem to have brought about a real qualitative change in the make up of the LCR, making it younger and more working class, it still has only 3,000 members. As has been said the LCR is a small(ish) propaganda group with a mass following.

    The NPA seems to be an attempt to create rather than am larger propaganda group (which is in reality what all the organisations of the far left are in Europe), but a small mass party. A mass party, a party which has a real mass implantation in society, is always going to be one which most of its members will not accept all the party’s the theory, or cross all the Ts and dot all the Is on particular theories on Russia or the Permanent Revolution. The main orientation will be on the relationship to real struggles.

    The NPA is not a specific model to follow it is a very specific reaction to very specific (French) conditions.

    I apogise for the length of this post.

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  24. alastair – “I think that despite themselves, Callinicios and Sabado are slightly talking at cross purposes, which has confused a debate which is itself very nationally centred.”

    If I remember Callinicos’ argument correctly, he is arguing the same point as you – ie. that in Germany there is one particular constellation of forces, ie. Die Linke, which the far left should relate to as an important opportunity. In France, NPA is the main initiative – though there are, of course, in both instances, both opportunities and dangers. I have read, for instance, that there is a prominent figure on the left of the PS in France who has announced he is walking away from the party to set up an anti-neo-liberal party. At first glance, it would seem a mistake to not seek to draw such a figure into the creation of a left break – assuming he represents real forces. In Germany, the danger is of opportunism viz. entry into government and providing a cover for social cuts, and on the other hand, of purism that means a refusal to engage with this significant break – a la the CWI in Berlin.

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  25. I think redbedhead is right in his/her assessment of Callinicos article about national differences and making a judgement from the point of view of each specific situation.
    Now my query about the above article is really this. If this new political formation is anti-capitalist and that in itself is sufficent for it to be described as a revolutionary organisation and hence the absence of the need for a leninist type organisation it leaves a lot of unanswered questions. How does that organisation respond to new situations. To give an example the whole issue of working with the Muslim community raised many tactical and political questions and lets be honest on both sides of the channel some of the left response to the Hijab was dreadful at worse and muddled at best. Faced with this an organsiation which is based on “anti capitalism” may struggle to react quickly to events if inside it there isn’t a clear revolutionary cohesive presence. This is a bit muddled and perhaps I have misread the above but to dissolve the LCR is in my view a mistake. I guess my fear is that “Anti-Capitalism” is clearly a massive step forward but dare I say in the final analysis may not be enough.

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  26. What “break” precisely did “the CWI in Berlin” fail to engage with? And I presume that redbedhead means “the WASG in Berlin” rather than the CWI, which was only one component of the WASG there.

    Far from “failing to engage” with a left break from the SPD (which is in part what the WASG was), the CWI joined it and sought to build it. Where they differ from Lord Callinicos’ followers is that they – correctly – saw that any merger between the WASG and the PDS could be on better terms than those desired by the PDS leadership. The PDS leadership wanted a merger which would form a larger PDS with a new name and a base in the West, still committed to neo-liberal government coalitions with all the attendant cuts and privatisations. The CWI were of the view that the PDS desperately needed the WASG, which was after all founded precisely to be an opposition to cuts and privatisations, and that if the WASG leadership could be forced to strike a harder bargain, the PDS would have little choice but to accept it.

    In my view they were correct about that. But even if you think that they were wrong tactically, there was no “failure to engage”.

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  27. Irish Mark
    What is this “Lord” Callinicos nonsense?

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  28. It’s an old joke, stemming from the good Professor’s appearance in Burke’s Peerage. His relatives tend to have names like Maria Anna Ludmilla Euphrosina von und zu Arco auf Valley or the Hon. Aedgyth Bertha Frances Lyon-Dalberg-Acton.

    It does not of course disqualify him from being a good socialist activist, any more than Tony Benn’s own pedigree disqualifies him.

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  29. yep I agree, he’s worth a thousand of that scab Hatton I am sure we would all agree.

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  30. I’m unaware of Derek Hatton ever having scabbed or ever having denounced the views he once held – although he certainly doesn’t hold them now. Tell me though Blake, do you think that you’re scoring some kind of point by defaming someone entirely unconnected to this conversation?

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  31. The big problem of course is in viewing the LCR as the most significant player in French left politics. rather than the PCF.

    Actually it is not true that ” the PCF has remained committed, despite the punishment it has received at the polls for this, to participation in neo-liberal governments”

    What the LCR are demanding of the PCF is that they renounce in principle the idea of coalition with the Socialists – something that the PCF cannot do.

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  32. There are two different ideas here:

    1) Seeing the LCR as the most significant player on the French far left in terms of membership numbers, elected officials, apparatus and the like.

    This would be clearly wrong and in fact the LCR might not even take a distant second place as both the PT and LO are of roughly similar orders of magnitude. All a long way behind the PCF obviously.

    2) Seeing the LCR as the main organised force on the far left currently capable of having a significant effect on wider French politics. Of playing a role capable of contributing to changing the situation in other words.

    This latter idea can’t be dismissed as easily. Here the LO and PT are not really an issue as both are to some extent committed to business as usual strategies (it’s a bit more complicated than that in the case of the PT, but that’s for another discussion). The PCF is caught in a seemingly endless decline and can’t be expected to break out of their dependent relationship with the PS. If they move to break out of that relationship, or even to change it significantly, they run a very serious risk of losing almost all of their elected officials and consequently the bulk of their apparatus. The leadership of the PCF will not under any forseeable circumstances take that risk.

    The LCR is much organisationally weaker than the PCF. On the other hand it is capable of gathering higher votes at a national level and it has gathered around itself a milieu that can be organised. It’s not that it has greater forces than the PCF, but that it is at the centre of wider forces that are in motion. The only way the PCF can be described in those terms is if you count entropy as motion.

    If you are interested in an advance for socialist organisation in France at the moment, the NPA is where the action is. It would be great if some wider party including the PCF, LO, PT and other forces could be built. That would change the argument about what is possible in French circumstances. But it can’t unless the forces outside of the PCF agree to become electoral appendages of the PS or unless the PCF changes its strategy significantly. Neither of those options seem to me to be viable.

    It seems to me, and I could be wrong here, that Andy agrees with much of this but thinks that the rest of the left seeking to form a new party with the PCF, on the terms of the PCF leadership, is a better path to take. The best that this could result in, in my view, is a party similar to Die Linke in its solidly reformist politics but much more tightly and irrevocably bound to a larger social liberal party. I don’t think that the long term prognosis for such a party is very good, as ultimately people tend to prefer the organ grinder to the monkey over a succession of elections and the smaller party declines. So we would get a temporarily reinvigorated PCF which would then slowly head back into the same pattern of endless decline.

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  33. “tend to prefer the organ grinder to the monkey over a succession of elections and the smaller party declines”

    well put Irish Mark, you could of course be also referring to Respect and its move towards New Labour, supporting it in by elections and the like. Indeed Andy does seem to be advocating a political move towards new labour on a variety of issues.

    My quip about Hatton which seems to have touched a nerve is of course a “Long standing joke” just like yours. Except of course Hatton went on to vote Tory and praise Thatcher, that in my book is a scab. So Mark if you are going to dish it out then be prepared to take it on the chin. lol

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  34. No one has mention the possibility of working inside the existing mass organisations in France.

    But the French IMT supporters around La Riposte managed to get 15% of the vote when they submitted their platform for the PCF to L’Humanité recently.

    Which represents more people than are grouped around the NPA, although not as many as vote for the LCR and LO.
    It’s been the case for a number of years now, that dissident PCF members cast their votes for these organisations, without leaving the party.

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  35. First, I’m french so excuse my english.

    Prianikoff seems to have a wrong idea of what is the reality of the pcf today.
    For the congress, there were 78779 registered, 39692 voters, and for La Riposte 5419 (15.04%).
    And there are more than 5419 people around the NPA right now. La Riposte are still very few (around 100 I think) even if the texte they present at the congress was a big success.
    And you know that voters in a congress cannot be mistaken with militants.

    And unfortunately for the pcf, few of the 39692 are really grassroot militants. Many of them are old, many of them are demoralized.
    In the demos, you can see now more LCR and NPA militants than pcf’s.
    When the pcf try to mobilize all its party machinery for a pcf national demos, there are less than 10000 people in the street.
    That is the harsh reality of the pcf today even if it would be wrong to say that it is dead or that there are few militants in the pcf now than in the NPA.

    I do agree with Andy Newman that the pcf cannot renounce in principle the idea of coalition with Socialist. I must add that they cannot even renounce to that in practice. And that’s the reason why the LCR now cannot build a common party whith the pcf.
    But Andy,you cannot make a caricature of the strategy of the LCR saying that “they propose unity – with only themselves and people who already agree”. That is not a good way to discuss seriously.

    The point we must discuss here is to know yes or no if “the building of a French Die Linke, in relation to the history of the revolutionary movement and to what has been accumulated by the NPA, would constitute a retreat for the building of an anti-capitalist alternative.”
    That is a serious question and it cannot be answered only by accusation of sectarism or opportunism.

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  36. “That is a serious question and it cannot be answered only by accusation of sectarism or opportunism.”

    You may have come to the wrong country’s websites.

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  37. I always liked the old joke from 1968 that even Jean Paul Sartre was fond of, to call the PCF, P”C”F, with the Communist bit in inverted commas! Let the corpse of stalinism die gracefully rather than trying to prolong life at any costs!

    Kisolo quotes Murray Smith:

    ‘I am convinced that the role of revolutionary Marxists today is to build broad socialist parties while defending their own Marxist positions within them, with the aim, not of building a revolutionary faction with an ‘entrist’ perspective, but of taking forward the whole party and solving together with the whole party the problems that arise, as they arise.’

    Trouble is that this sounds nice but it doesn’t really solve the problem anymore than any other formulation, it also fudges the question of revolution and reform. Surely, in Rees’s ‘united front of a special type’ formulation the aim would be for the revolutionaries to consult with the reformists, work alongside them and hopefully solve problems together with them & carry the whole partye tc.

    And is similar to Bertinotti’s adage, “The revolutionaries haven’t been able to get revolution, the reformists haven’t been able to get reform”. Whoops, I just voted for troops to Afghanistan!

    At a certain point ‘taking forward the whole party and solving together with the whole party’ will run into the obstacle that certain people have very different ideas of what they aim to achieve/

    As parties get positions and become succesful a debate begins to open up that ‘half a loaf is beter than nothing’ vs. ‘we don’t want a bigger slice of the cake, but to run the whole bakery’.

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  38. This is correctly put:

    The point we must discuss here is to know yes or no if “the building of a French Die Linke, in relation to the history of the revolutionary movement and to what has been accumulated by the NPA, would constitute a retreat for the building of an anti-capitalist alternative.”

    Given all allownaces for the different political context in France, the forces of the revolutionary left are simply too small, and too politically narrow to construct a governmental alternative.

    Mass parties need to plausible pose a strategy for acheiving government power. The achievement of Die linke is precisely that it is a left social democratic party.

    The political context across Europe has been the retreat away from social democracy towards neo-liberalism, opening a space that can be occupied by a rebirth of left social democracy, as die Linke has shown, a mass left social democratic party.

    But it is impossible to construct such a mass party and gain mainstream trade union support and social movement support unless you are also prepared to have a streatgy for actually acheiving some of your prograamme; and that means an openness to working in coalition with the right social democrats or the greens.

    It seems that the NPA turns its backs on the serious task of building a left social democratic party, a project that would have real legs, and that would inevitable have to include the PCF, and therefore debate seriously under what circumstances a coalition with the PS could ever be contemplated – which should include a clear set of ring-fenced principles that would never be compromised – no war, no privatisation, etc; as well as a shopping list of progressive demands.

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  39. Adamski: “it also fudges the question of revolution and reform”

    Sorry, at what point in the recent past has “the question of revolution and reform” had any practical relevance?

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  40. Bertinotti’s reformism led to compromises that have smashed the entire Italian left.

    Revolution is not on the agenda, but there are two orientations towards power and what and how we achieve it. One road is oppositional and based on the slow and painstaking war of position, building up working class hegemony in society based on our class. There are many people who don’t see the final goal – the war of maneuver – but nevertheless want to build up a community’/workers movement from below, and are our allies.

    The other road is based on the idea that compromises with the bourgeois state and alliances with bourgeois parties offer a short cut (and for some the original goal is forgotten), there arises an overemphasis on the bureaucrats of democracy (ie the Councillors and Parliamentarians), certain principles are set aside in the pursuit of power (a workers MP earning the same as the workers he or she represents, let’s put our more egalitarian demands on the backburner, the middle class can speak for the workers etc), hanging onto the coat-tails of rotting social democracy (I love Livingstone, we can stop Berlusconi by licking the boots of Prodi) etc.

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  41. Andy – by setting out the non negotiable items you have chosen you have made clear why it is not possible to have coalition agreements with modern social democracy.

    War and privatisation are what modern social democracy does with a lot more gusto than it nationalises and even Alistair Darling’s feeble tax hike for the very well of yesterday was accompanied by planned increases in national insurance payments. The LCR’s insistence on this point is not there as a way of stopping an alliance with the PCF but is grounded in the whole history of European left politics over the last 20 years.

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  42. “Bertinotti’s reformism led to compromises that have smashed the entire Italian left. ”

    It was a mistake for the PRC to go into coalition without clear comitments over Afghanistan.

    But the “smashed the entire Italian left.” was the result of the ultra-lefts throwing their dollies out the pram and leaving the PRC.

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  43. Liam

    The question of politics is to work through the complex minefield of those who only partially agree with you.

    Many in the PCF would agree with those pre-conditons if they were linked to credible alternataive coalition, and inded this might be an opportunity to split off the left of the PS – as mentioned in the orignal article regarding Jean Luc Mélenchon.

    A coalition of left social democrats like Jean Luc Mélenchon, the PCF and the less deluded parts of the revolutionary left strikes me as a much more credible project.

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  44. a project involving parts of the “gauche gouvernementale” which governed the country 1997-2002 wouldn’t be credible for many rank & file and social movement activists

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  45. entdinglichung – Oh? If the left – like Lafontaine – led a split of a section from the PS, it certainly would. Not only because that section would also be part of the activists of the social movements but also because who do you think is voting for the Socialist Party (or SPD or Labour) for that matter? Too often the Far Left seems to think “well, it’s clear to me that reformism/social democracy is a dead end. Obviously, everybody else knows it too.” If only life were like that… Because it’s not; because the mass of the working class – including most of its leading militants – are still wedded to reformism but anxious for a better, more principled, reformist party, revolutionaries must be boldest in seizing the opportunities to create coalition parties that challenge the social liberal dominance and OPEN THE DEBATE of reform vs revolution. You can only have that debate where you actively engage people.

    Mark P – And that (my point immediately above) is where the CWI made the mistake in Berlin, in not understanding the moment in the debate or the next key step. As a result they were humiliated in the Berlin election when they ran in competition with the L.PDS and then marginalized by the majority who wanted to continue the unity project with the PDS, not even joining it in the east until some time later.

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  46. Blimey, I find mysellf agreeing with redbedhead again.

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  47. It is interesing for example that so many of the far left find it more difficult to distinguish between Livingstoe and Gordon Brown, than ordinary labour voters do.

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  48. Well, Andy, I’d hate for you to start liking me or inviting me over for tea…

    But the thing with Livingstone, and the reason he is no Lafontaine or, possibly even, Mélenchon, is that Livingstone doesn’t have a mass following in the workers movement. This is the point upon which the orthodox Trots so often get hooked – the question of a politician’s program is not the only, nor even usually the most important, question. It is more about the forces he/she represents, their level of organization, fighting ability, etc.
    Alas, that was the problem, ultimately, with Galloway. When he was kicked out of Labour, nobody followed with him. He had significant sympathy amongst certain sectors but he could not lead a chunk of the Labour Party into a new formation (again, a la Lafontaine – who both followed others and led them). That, as I understand it, was the core of the argument viz. Respect – the SWP wanted to push to use the gains as a lever to engage with the union movement (OFFU) and pull them towards Respect. Others felt that this was either a distraction from consolidating the local gains won, which were seen as key to future electoral developments – or that the SWP was trying to impose their politics onto the organization. Without any external impetus to win the argument decisively in either direction, tensions inevitably developed. Without the intervention of the masses (at the risk of sounding hackneyed), it became a battle of strength between two sets of politics, which crystallized into factions.
    Callinicos’ argument is not, then, that Galloway is now a “right-winger”, as in some kind of Tory or New Labour apparatchik like Mandelson. It is rather that Respect/Galloway lowered its sights to the level of local politics and accepting the current set-up, rather than seeking to transcend it by making a breakthrough into the broader working class – the Big Brother stuff was an expression of that, as was the acceptance of block purchase of memberships.
    Obviously, Andy and other Renewalists will disagree strongly with this. But, if there were a party like the German PDS in Britain, or a chunk of unionists broke from Labour (like they did in the SPD to form WASG), I’m convinced that the crisis that led to the split wouldn’t have happened. All the questions that created tensions would have been solved – including the disproportionate organizational weight of the SWP inside Respect.

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  49. redbedhead:

    You misunderstand the situation in the Berlin WASG. The people making a “left break” from the SPD and the new left activists in general were the people who opposed a merger with the PDS while the PDS was still committed to operating its cuts and privatisation coalition. That was the majority of the WASG in the city.

    Fighting alongside those people was not a failure to engage with a “left break” as you earlier claimed. You may agree or disagree with it as a tactical move, but it was very clearly all about engaging with the kind of forces you were talking about. As for them being “humiliated”, they got councillors elected in most Berlin local authorities and managed about 3% of the vote across the city. Not a massive total, but something pretty far in advance of the – genuinely humiliating – results of the SWP’s latest electoral front.

    The attempt to build an independent WASG in Berlin didn’t work out, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t worth trying. Now the SAV, enlarged with activists recruited from its previous experience, is within the Left Party and, unlike the declining descendents of Linksruck, they are actually trying to build a left opposition within the party.

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  50. Redbedhead – it wasn’t like that.

    OFFU (may it rest in peace) was a wholly owned dismal SWP front without any scintilla of an independent existence. Its conference was beyond question the most depressing Saturday I ever had the misfortune to endure. Respect was largely controlled by the SWP and was a knight in a chess game but its lack of autonomy made it an unattractive partner to many critically minded militants. That’s what happens when you set out to micro manage everything you work in.

    The LCR is displaying a more liberal organisational method than I’m comfortable with but the contrast is evident.

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  51. Liam – I’m not surprised you disagree – though there are questions and contradictions with arguments you made prior to the split, some supportive of the SWPs role in TH Respect viz. block memberships, etc. But, if you’re right, then Respect ought to grow spectacularly now that the controlling SWP is out of the picture and it has its autonomy. You can’t forever argue that the failure to do so (as evidenced by a conference half the size of the previous) – or to win elections as happened recently – are still the fault of the SWP. As for depressing Saturdays, etc. you don’t really answer the question about the political tactic, simply comment on its execution. About this I can’t comment.

    Mark P – the Respect/LA split is not in any way analogous to what happened in Berlin, so your dig is really only useful as a sectarian back pat. The WASG in Berlin had the benefit of the national profile of the organization, which is why the national WASG voted democratically to oppose its running against the L.PDS – a democratic decision which SAV ignored. Had the WASG nationally not censured the Berlin group and instead followed SAV’s lead, it would have destroyed the unity initiative and thus Die Linke. Perhaps you think that is leadership. I disagree – no matter how many recruits were gained (about which I know nothing. Ditto Linksruck/Marx 21). And, in any case, recruits or no, the difference in scale is no doubt striking when one considers that 4,000 people joined Die Linke in the weeks immediately following the unity conference. If there had been no unity, those left wingers would be unorganized and your SAV friends would have been unable to agitate amongst them for more left wing policies in Die Linke.

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  52. Redbedhead:

    Again you misunderstand the situation. The arguments of the SAV and the majority of the WASG in Berlin were not that there should be no unity between the PDS and the WASG, but that the unity should not simply be a creation of a larger PDS, still committed to the PDS policies of neo-liberal coalition and the administration of cuts and privatisations.

    The PDS desperately needed the WASG. It was otherwise doomed to slowly wither as a regional East German party, unable to get back over the 5% parliament threshold and slowly losing its large apparatus. The time when the left in the WASG had the best chance of winning on the issues of coalition, cuts and privatisation was before the merger. The WASG, a party founded to oppose cuts and privatisations, would have had the PDS leadership over a barrel. They could have pushed successfully for a united party on a basis compatible with the WASG’s anti-cuts, anti-privatisation stance. Once the merger was completed on the terms of the PDS leadership, that advantage was gone and winning the battle to change Die Linke will be a much longer and much tougher process, if it can be done at all.

    Once the merger was complete (unfortunately as an enlarged PDS) the SAV joined that party, except in areas where Die Linke was already in cuts and privatisation coalitions and where a significant number of WASG activists opposed the merger. In Berlin, the majority of WASG activists refused to join – unsurprisingly as these were people who joined the WASG precisely because they were activists against the cuts and privatisations implemented by the PDS in that area. And so, the SAV went through the process of fighting with those people to build an alternative.

    That did not work out in the end. And you can certainly make a case that it was a mistaken strategy (although I disagree) but trying to do it was precisely engaging with people who were breaking with traditional social democracy to the left. Which is what you initially accused them of not doing.

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  53. “Respect… was a knight in a chess game”

    It never moved in straight lines?

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  54. Andy,

    One first comment: your blog has a big advantage over Liam;s in that comments are numbered. You both use WordPress, don’t you? Maybe you could help Liam to add the same feature?

    Die Linke and Respect are very different parties. There’s a major strategic debate going on in Die Linke over whether and how it should ally with the SPD. That reflects the reality; Die Linke has evolved to the point where it’s posed with the option. The reality is that the strategic issue for Die Linke is rather different and broader. Because of its roots in the SPD and SED, the strategic notion is of channelling discontent into votes, and counterposing that to building an active extra-parliamentary opposition. Partly that’s why is was so easy to build Die Link during the opposition to Hartz IV, because the left of the bureaucracy found it easier to support a primarily parliamentary road rather than also build mass action.

    Britain, and Respect, are simply not in the same position. Were the situation in Britain to resemble that in France then, certainly, we (and I am sure the rest of the anti-capitalist left) would find it easier than the French left to overcome our differences. But the reality is that the opportunities open to the NPA do not exist in Britain. As a result, they have no impact (as far as I can see) on what activists in Respect should try to do, other than exploring opportunities to co-operate with the NPA and other socialists abroad.

    It’s interesting that you started this thread by suggesting that the ISG needed either to repudiate the NPA or duplicate it like zombies. Given your background in the SWP, it’s a natural first question to pose. However, neither you nor others in this thread have really developed the idea. I think that’s because it’s well understood that national sections of the Fourth International have the right to determine political line on all questions nationally, and to interpret and determine the national application of decisions made by the FI.

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  55. Duncan

    This is not a question of a nuanced different perspective responding to different nationall cicumstances.

    It is a completely different set of politics.

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  56. Article by Pierre Rousset from LCR that may be of interest also: http://links.org.au/node/747

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