To the Central Committee of the Socialist Workers Party (GB) and the International Socialist Tendency from the Steering Committee of the International Socialist Organization (U.S.)


5 December 2008

We write as the world economy faces its greatest turning point in decades. A crisis of imperialism has become intertwined with grave ecological threats and a profound crisis of capitalism itself. This is a moment of challenge and opportunity for the revolutionary left, in which intensified, and more politicized and polarized social, political, and ideological struggle will be the order of the day. In this context, it is important to address the relationship between two of the largest revolutionary Marxist organizations in the English-speaking world—the SWP-GB (the leading organization in the International Socialist Tendency) and the ISO-U.S.

This is not the time to reopen the discussion about the rift between our organizations. For the record, we still believe that the basis for our expulsion from the International Socialist Tendency (IST) was mistaken. Our parting of ways involved no questions of political principle, but rather only conjunctural and tactical questions. But any continuing disagreements notwithstanding, it would be sectarian for us not to have relations because of different assessments of the 1999 “Battle of Seattle” anti-WTO protests and the “anti-capitalist movement” or because of differences over the “theory of the 1930s in slow motion.”

In the current period, the fragmentation of revolutionary socialist organizations with common political traditions is particularly damaging—and is, given the absence of principled differences, inexcusable. It is incumbent upon revolutionary socialists to forge ties with revolutionary forces internationally as fully as possible. We do not claim that our judgment in all matters has been infallible—no revolutionary organization in the world today can or should, and certainly neither the ISO nor the SWP and IST can pretend otherwise. It should be possible, however, to examine and debate these issues in a comradely and open manner. Since our expulsion from the IST in 2001, we have established relationships with a range of revolutionary organizations and tendencies, both from within and outside historic Trotskyist currents.

The obvious gap in our international work is the lack of any formal or systematic collaboration with the IST. Despite a history of close collaboration—from the ISO’s founding in 1977 until our expulsion from the IST in 2001—contact between our organizations all but ceased. In our view, our organizations should share the same type of relationship that the ISO enjoys, for example, with the Ligue Communiste Révolutionnaire and the Fourth International—exchanging speakers at educational conferences, writing for one another’s publications, and regular contact between our leadership to discuss perspectives and to raise the profile of revolutionary Marxism internationally. We have similar relations with several other groups internationally. Over the last few years, our organizations have recruited comrades who did not experience the polemics of the past and for whom the lack of relations between our two formations is incomprehensible.

For all the reasons stated above, the ISO Steering Committee seeks to reestablish formal and comradely relations with the SWP-GB and the leaderships of the member groups of the IST. It is impossible to politically explain—or justify—why organizations that share so much in common have had no relations while our respective governments launched— and continue—an imperialist project to reshape the Middle East and the world.

To be clear, we are not seeking to rejoin the IST. While we welcome any opportunity to work with IST comrades, we believe that the task of rebuilding the international revolutionary left is best carried out through an approach that promotes genuine collaboration between all currents committed to the socialist transformation of society.

We trust that the leaderships of the IST organizations will seriously consider this proposal. In view of the crisis and the speed with which it is developing, we believe that it is best to reestablish ties between our organizations sooner rather than later. We propose three concrete steps in an effort to reopen collaboration:

1. Establish a formal means of communication and collaboration between the leaderships of our respective organizations.

2. Establish a procedure for inviting speakers to each other’s annual internal and educational conferences.

3. Exchange articles in our publications and, if appropriate, exchange views—of course, along with others—on perspectives, in the context of the larger debates on the revolutionary left in Europe, Latin America, Asia, and elsewhere.

Comradely, and awaiting your response,

The Steering Committee of the International Socialist Organization

37 responses to “Let's be friends”

  1. No Marvin Gaye?

    Let’s get it on…

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  2. Whether we be reds, pinkos or greenies, lefties must band together against our common foes: capitalist scumbags and the US imperialist and build together a political social and ecological environment we will be proud to hand on to our great grandchildren’s children.

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  3. Well I would be happy if we could have an ideological and organisational offensive from the USFI to ecosocialise the rest of the far left!

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  4. I did tell one of the SWP comrades on Saturday that the 90s had seemed a lot more like the 80s in slow motion. But who am I to say?

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  5. What it doesn’t explain is what is the point of the lash up? What does it aim to achieve? What actions does it propose?
    Or are they just feeling chilly and any old holey blanket will do?

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  6. Yes, Bill- I wonder why they aren’t leaping to get under your fluffy, warm duvet instead?

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  7. Bill – what’s the problem about two currents on the far left wanting to talk to each other. They say “we believe that the task of rebuilding the international revolutionary left is best carried out through an approach that promotes genuine collaboration between all currents committed to the socialist transformation of society.”

    What’s wrong with that? You were advocating something like it at the Conference of the Left.

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  8. Well nothing per se – they’re welcome to talk to whoever they want – but my question is – to achieve what?
    I was a member of an “international tendency” for a long time, from my recollection it never did anything at all.
    There were plenty of international meetings and even an “international secretariat” but in at least the last decade of its existence it produced no theory to speak of and did no common action at all.
    It made certain comrades fell warm inside, but that was about it.
    So my point is why is it necessary to establish “formal means of communication” in order to talk?
    Doesn’t it reveal something about the sect like nature of the left that in order to talk – not even do anything – then they need to establish “formal” relations?
    In other words isn’t it a load of worthless posturing?

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  9. Here’s a reason to talk. Let us suppose that there is a meeting of the G8 or some such body gathering, let us say, in Vancouver.

    There is to be a protest and that will include socialists and others from across the border in Seattle and beyond. If on the Canadian side one group of socialists are refusing to talk to another group of socialists on the US side because of some spat in the past then the overall mobilisation will be diminished.

    If it takes having ‘formal relations’ to stop this stupidity then surely it is better than refusing to cooperate – because some other socialists in the UK fell out with the American’s over their analysis of the 1990s and the global justice movement.

    Sometimes you have to have ‘formal means of communications’ otherwise others simply refuse to anwer your emails.

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  10. Well if its only a question of semantics “formal” means of communicationis likely to get you very far.
    As you say Clive there’s every reason to talk, why not, more the better, but why does it have to take place in a constricted and restricted framework designed to exclude the uninitiated?
    This is just the sect politics of the SWP all over.
    If there’s a meeting of the G8 and its necessary to organise against it,then something much broader than an SWP international will be necessary, and given the appalling practice of that group, then it will probably be better organised, more open, with greater debate and more direct action, without it.

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  11. That should say “is *not* likely to get your very far”.

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  12. Nothing in the ISO proposal says “We want to talk formally to the SWP / IST and no-one else”, Bill.
    I am sure the ISO has formal and informal communication with other tendecies already and these would be unchanged and undiminished.

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  13. In which case then it means nothing?
    Actually I don’t think it means nothing – essentially it follows the method of the post war Trotskyist movement – in promoting an “internal” life i.e. the discussions between the initiated and excluding the uninitiated.
    Do the SWP and the ISO have the answers to the crisis all on their own? Has no one else got anything useful to add to the debate? If they were serious they would launch an open discussion not limited to the SWP.
    But they’re not serious.
    The discussions aren’t the point of the process. The lash up is.

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    I don’t think it’s a question of a lash up, much less of actually rejoining the Pomintern – something the ISO specifically say they aren’t interested in. The ISO have contacts with all sorts of tendencies – notably the USec and the Morenistas – without actually being a member of any tendency. What’s perhaps more to the point is that the SWP and its affiliates still (seven years later) refuse to speak to or collaborate with the ISO even when there’s a strong practical case for it.

    The Seattle-Vancouver example actually does have some basis in reality – I believe that at some point it was conveyed to the IS branch in Vancouver that they shouldn’t have any contact with the Seattle ISO branch unless this was cleared with the national leadership in Toronto. And on top of that, you’ve got Pope Alex still dishing out the anathemata…

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  15. Indeed, that’s why I used the example. The stupidity of so-called marxists refusing to cooperate with other socialists with whom they are in broad agreement but happily engaging with and working alonside those with whom they fundamentally disagree is one of the more foolish aspects of the modern socialist left.

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  16. “it was conveyed to the IS branch in Vancouver that they shouldn’t have any contact with the Seattle ISO branch”.

    Now it may be that there is some dark secret about Seattle ISO that isn’t known on this side of the Atlantic but what sort of jumped up clown gives an order like that if there isn’t?

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  17. Good news.
    Glad to see that certain people are p***ed off.

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  18. One helping to run an international tendency that has had a nasty split with those on the other side of the border?

    I see Clive Searle does irony if nothing else. Maybe I was right when I suggested that the ISO was now embarrassed that they’d let him present such a bogus account of the split in Respect when the closest the ISO had to co-thinkers were always on the other side.

    bill j – is it possible just to take the letter at face value? Perhaps to think that the motivation is explained by this passage:
    “Over the last few years, our organizations have recruited comrades who did not experience the polemics of the past and for whom the lack of relations between our two formations is incomprehensible”?
    Perhaps those friends of Clive Searle who have attacked me in recent weeks when I’ve expressed any ignorance should now point out that these new ISO members just don’t get it.

    splinteredsunrise – perhaps what’s most to the point is that the ISO doesn’t share your anathema for Alex Callinicos, or at least wants to stop cutting off its nose to spite its face. Surely the future has less to do with what you say the SWP has done than with how they respond to this letter.
    And what exactly is Pope Alex still dishing out?

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  19. You shouldn’t assume that this has been a one-sided dispute – I’m surprised the ISO is making the first move given some of the things steering committee members have said about the SWP over the years.

    As someone who was an ISO member during the split and for many years afterward and later got to know the IST a bit, I’ve come to the opinion that the big problem, to dramatically oversimplify, was that the SWP is an organization that goes out and does things (I’m sure many here would say the wrong things, but nonetheless) and the ISO doesn’t. That’s not a reason not to talk to each other, of course, but it often puts a strain on things, and I think it’s been a problem with the ISO’s relationships with other groups as well.

    (A little irony, by the way, and I suspect one of the reasons why the rapprochement is being brought up now, is that most of the other groups the ISO has a friendly relationship with are also on similar terms with the IST.)

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  20. Liam wrote: “Now it may be that there is some dark secret about Seattle ISO that isn’t known on this side of the Atlantic but what sort of jumped up clown gives an order like that if there isn’t?”

    Or maybe you are taking a “I heard…” type of rumour and then drawing political conclusions based upon a fiction.

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  21. splintered – “I believe that at some point it was conveyed to the IS branch in Vancouver…”

    Demonstrating you know nothing about anything except how to spread rumours based upon no evidence.

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  22. I agree the letter should be taken at face value. At face value it reveals a sect like mentality.
    In order to discuss with another group, exchange materials with them, or just talk it is necessary to develop “formal” relations.
    But why is it?
    If there was an open and democratic spirit in the ISO then there would be no such need. If there is a closed sectarian mentality then there is.
    Birds of a feather.

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  23. Redbedhead – but enough about Splintered and me.

    What do you think of the letter and what guidance have the comrades in Vancouver been given about working with the Seattle ISO?

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  24. “I see Clive Searle does irony if nothing else. Maybe I was right when I suggested that the ISO was now embarrassed that they’d let him present such a bogus account of the split in Respect when the closest the ISO had to co-thinkers were always on the other side.”

    Skidmarx. You actually suggested embarrassment over the failure of my article about Respect to appear on the Socialist Worker website when in fact it does still appear – but you dressed it up under some stupid guise about search engines. But the simple fact is that you were wrong.

    http://socialistworker.org/2007-2/655/655_04_Respect.shtml

    So Skidmarx, as so often you made a stupid snide comment but when you were proved wrong you didn’t even have the decency to admit it. You just moved on to your next petty little snipe. But thankfully you’ve decided to raise the issue again so perhaps this time you’d like to admit you were wrong.

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  25. Liam – You’re dodging the point, which is about rumour mongering. Insofar as there are any general issues it would be about our different orientation to US coalitions, for instance UFPJ and making sure we’re not tripping over ourselves in relation to any such work. It’s called communication. However, feel free to bask in your apparent fantasy that the Canadian IS is run by diktat. All you demonstrate is your ignorance.

    As for the ISO letter – my personal attitude is that relations should be on the basis of other relations with the Left – ie. where they are relevant to our work in a helpful way. Just because we both have a state capitalist position on the USSR, et al, doesn’t mean we at all have the same approach to coalition/united front work or the same assessment of key organizations, unions, et al.

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  26. Redbedhead:

    can you explain the Canadian IS’s approach to UFPJ (does UFPJ even exist in Canada?) and how it differs from the ISO’s?

    Shouldn’t we all be just a bit careful when we judge the practical work of socialists in a different country? Unless you live in the US or have some mechanism to systematically assess the work that a group like the ISO does, it’s difficult not to fall into exactly the sort of rumor-mongering or impressionistic caricaturing for which you’re criticizing others. You can, of course, read the material that the ISO publishes in SW, the ISR, or books by ISO members, and you can agree or disagree with this or that point. But when articles relate assessments on-the-ground experiences, you’ll have trouble judging them effectively.

    In this vein, I’m not sure why people don’t seem to get that Socialist Worker (US) published Clive Searle’s assessment of the Respect-SWP split as a letter, not an editorial or even a signed article. The next week there was another letter (by John Mullen I believe) that had an opposing assessment.

    Whatever the various feelings of ISO members, the ISO itself didn’t take a position on the split – which makes sense given that we’re talking about events that happened on the otherside of the ocean.

    Bill J – I really don’t get your point. I’m sure ISO members have talked to various ISTers often enough since the ISO’s expulsion from the IST seven years ago. But there’s no real relationship between the groups – ie, they don’t publish each other’s material, don’t send speakers to each other’s events, and leadership bodies don’t formally talk to one another (ie, as representatives of the two different groups). So now the ISO is proposing that these things happen in the future. How does that make the ISO a sect?

    Actually, considering that the SWP tried (unsuccessfully) to split, bury, and then ignore the ISO, this seems to me to be a particularly non-sectish response.

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  27. You’ve answered your own question. The only basis upon which the ISO will talk to other groups, publish their ideas, debate with their members, send speakers to each others events, whatever you fancy…is that their is a “formal” relationship between them.
    The issue isn’t one of how best to discuss and advance the class struggle, i.e. achieving political clarification, the issue is one of organisational form.
    In order to talk its necessary to lash up.
    My simple point is that this is standing everything on its head.
    The purpose should be to achieve political clarification, the extent of this will determine any further organisational relationship.
    The ISO put organisation before politics. So do the SWP. Not surprising – they’re cast from the same mold.
    But this method is also common to the rest of the left from my experience.
    There is very little actual debate, instead there’s the rivalry of sect like behaviour – we’re better than you – you’re crap and we’re great – you did this then – we did that then – you were horrible – do you remember the time when – you were wrong on this – you were wrong on that – etc.
    Combined with astonishingly abstract and vague politics which are really difficult to pin down. This too is a function of sect like behaviour – as its a yah boo sucks competition. The vaguer you are the more wriggle room you have.
    Need I go on?

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  28. Bill you’re just confused.

    You should reread (or just read?) the letter, because the ISO is explicitly not demanding that all of the issues or dynamics of the 2001 split get rehashed.

    “The purpose should be to achieve political clarification, the extent of this will determine any further organisational relationship.”

    No shit.

    A formal political relationship doesn’t mean that the ISO and SWP are going to be part of the same international. It means that the ISO and SWP are going to have the sort of broader discussions that you mention above, which the ISO and SWP both have with other groups internationally. Of course members can talk to each other right now. But formalizing the relationship helps facilitate the process of communication. If for example, the ISO, SWP or anyone else (say the FI) invites another group to their congresses or conventions, it helps expand discussion. How is that unclear to you?

    By the way, the ISO has, in recent years, published a number of books/articles by ISTers(Mieville, Molyneux, Eamon McCann) when they’ve been permitted to do so. I think they’d like to be able to publish more material put out by the SWP/IST.

    “The ISO put organisation before politics. So do the SWP. Not surprising – they’re cast from the same mold.”

    Don’t take this personally, but honestly, you don’t know dick about the ISO. Have you ever talked to an ISO member, or read any of the material the ISO puts out?

    A couple of more experienced politicos taught me a while back that it’s best not to make comments when you don’t know jack shit about the subject you’re commenting on. It’s taken a while, but I hope I’ve learned that lesson…

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  29. Steady on now Jonah!!

    The blogosphere would grind to a halt if people were required to know something about the subject on which they are opinionating.

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  30. Well that’s a valid point. I certainly wouldn’t want to say anything that might be taken as anti-blogland.

    I only meant that folks on the left should be just a bit hesitant about making such grand pronouncements…

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  31. Jonah wrote: “can you explain the Canadian IS’s approach to UFPJ (does UFPJ even exist in Canada?) and how it differs from the ISO’s?
    Shouldn’t we all be just a bit careful when we judge the practical work of socialists in a different country? Unless you live in the US or have some mechanism to systematically assess the work that a group like the ISO does, it’s difficult not to fall into exactly the sort of rumor-mongering or impressionistic caricaturing for which you’re criticizing others.”

    Read my comment. I didn’t criticize the ISO’s work in UFPJ and I have no intention of doing so here. As to our mechanism – we are involved in the Canadian anti-war movement via the CPA, the War Resisters Support Campaign, et al, some of which have formal relations to UFPJ, including attending their congresses, bringing up speakers, joint actions, etc. My one and only point was that our relation to the ISO is and should be in the same fashion as with other Left groups – we don’t orientate to the far left, except insofar as they represent something significant viz the movements. The far left spends entirely too much time, in my view, talking to themselves, rather than relating to mass struggles on the ground. The SWP relates to the LCR, for example, because they obviously represent something significant in terms of European politics.

    Jonah further wrote:
    ” the SWP tried (unsuccessfully) to split, bury, and then ignore the ISO”
    “it’s best not to make comments when you don’t know jack shit about the subject you’re commenting on.”

    You should take your own advice.

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  32. “In this vein, I’m not sure why people don’t seem to get that Socialist Worker (US) published Clive Searle’s assessment of the Respect-SWP split as a letter, not an editorial or even a signed article.”

    It’s accompanied by an advert for Respect Renewal, and there is no editorial distancing from it, which when the ISO and the SWP had been sister organizations was I think a significant omission, though hopefully that’s behind us.

    Clive Searle- The irony is that you could have said:
    “The stupidity of so-called marxists refusing to cooperate with other socialists with whom they are in broad agreement but happily engaging with and working alonside those with whom they fundamentally disagree is one of the more foolish aspects of the Respect rump I’m still hoping to resurrect”, and it would have been close to the truth.
    What I said may have been a snide snipe, but I don’t believe it was stupid. Given the way you describe the split, the ISO is clearly a long way from agreeing with your assessment of the SWP now, and it is not unreasonable to think they might be embarrassed to be associated with your views now, whether one can still access your article or not. I don’t see you up in arms about Kevin Ovenden accusing me of being a liar and then failing to apologize when shown to be uttering falsehoods. You have an Augean stable to clear out before you start worrying about my shit.

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  33. I wasn’t even talking about the split. You can re-hash it or not all you want as far as I care. From what I gather the published reasons had nothing to do with it anyway, rather it was a pretty sordid squabble which doesn’t really deserve the light of day.
    I was simply pointing out that all the grandiose posturing that goes with the left “formal” discussion and all that stuff, is the way that bureaucratic sect like organisations work.
    Your rather frosty and rude response doesn’t persuade me otherwise.

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  34. “my shit.”

    Skidmarx, I couldn’t have put it better myself.

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  35. The discussion seems to see something I cannot here. An open letter such as this is usually a polemical device and that is precisely what I see. My suspicion is that the ISO leadership has some awareness of the extent of the fall-out from the palace coup in the British SWP and the discontent being expressed in the IST. Its aim is to offer an olive branch of cooperation and communication as a means to widen the rupture developing. It is clearly for ‘public’ consumption and for other groups in the IST as much as the dissenters in the SWP.
    The fact that such small offerings can be seen as such dangerous brinkmanship and such a threat to the British SWP demonstrates the depth of the hole they have dug for themselves in the past 20 years. The delusions of grandeur….Another step in the dance of decline.

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  36. ‘An open letter such as this is usually a polemical device and that is precisely what I see. ‘

    yup

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  37. “dangerous brinkmanship and such a threat” – where? Have riots broken out, long polemics in reply? Or are you projecting your own political fantasies?

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