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RMT, Communist Party, Socialist Party come together to fight EU election

This comes from The Morning Star. EUROPEAN elections on June 4 will be electrified by new left-wing electoral alliance No2EU – Yes to Democracy, which launched on Thursday. Candidates are set to reach out to millions of voters across Britain, forcefully challenging the neoliberal economic onslaught from the authoritarian EU. Rail union RMT general secretary…

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This comes from The Morning Star.

EUROPEAN elections on June 4 will be electrified by new left-wing electoral alliance No2EU – Yes to Democracy, which launched on Thursday.

Candidates are set to reach out to millions of voters across Britain, forcefully challenging the neoliberal economic onslaught from the authoritarian EU.

Rail union RMT general secretary Bob Crow, who is convener of the new platform, said millions of working people “feel abandoned by the main political parties.”

At the Westminster launch event, Mr Crow warned of a grave danger that, in the midst of the economic crisis, too many voters will be duped into voting for far-right parties such as the BNP. He denounced the EU as “basically an arm of global capital designed to extend privatisation and make bigger gains for big business.”

He explained: “No2EU – Yes to Democracy is an electoral platform, not a party, and our candidates will not sit in the European Parliament in the event of winning any seats.”

Coventry councillor and former Labour MP Dave Nellist said that, once the EU elections were over, supporters of the new platform would hold a convention to discuss tactics for the future.

Mr Nellist declared that the new alliance would “shake up the political establishment” and that, otherwise, there would only be a “sterile debate” in the EU elections. He added that “you cannot get a cigarette paper” between the three major parties.

He warned of “the risk of the rise of xenophobia and the far-right parties unless a working-class alternative is put forward in this election.” The risk was particularly strong in the West Midlands and Yorkshire, he reported.

The No2EU website went live yesterday morning. It exposes the EU constitution, now called the Lisbon Treaty, as a vehicle for imposing Thatcherite economic policies at a time when “this discredited neoliberal agenda is falling apart.” A host of political activists and trade unionists have already signed up to support the new alliance.

Communist Party of Britain general secretary Rob Griffiths is among prominent supporters, along with Young Communist League general secretary Ben Stevenson.

Morning Star circulation manager Ivan Beavis joined Thursday’s launch, declaring that the paper’s support was consistent with its “long record of solidarity with the labour movement.”

Socialist Party deputy leader Hannah Sell slammed the Lisbon Treaty as a “bosses’ charter” and hailed the new electoral alliance as “part of the process of helping to solve the crisis.”

The British people “do not want a return to the 1930s,” she said.

Indian Workers Association vice-president Avtar Sadiq slammed the EU internal market rules for creating “a race to the bottom in terms of wages and conditions inside the EU and a fortress Europe mentality.”

Mr Sadiq said the association’s support for the new platform was in line with its 70 years of anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist struggle.

Visit www.no2eu.com for more information about the platform.

33 responses to “RMT, Communist Party, Socialist Party come together to fight EU election”

  1. Duncan Avatar
    Duncan

    Interesting that they won’t take their seats if elected. What do people think about that?

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  2. Jim Monaghan Avatar
    Jim Monaghan

    I am a bit concerned that the CPB seemed to be vetoing membership iof the SWP. I am no fan but the idea of the CPB having veto rights sticks in my craw.

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  3. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Hey Jim, what makles you think the SWP have been vetoed? I notice that, for example, Respect isn’t in the project either – and Galloway and friends have much better relations with the CP. Maybe its because the SWP and Respect didn’t want to take part.

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  4. Liam Avatar
    Liam

    Sometimes chickens come home to roost.

    On Duncan’s point telling voters that you won’t take the seat that you want to be elected to is not the strongest motivational tool for getting people down to the polling station. From that point of view it is a mistake.

    Of course there are problems with this initiative, not the least of which is the opaque manner in which it has emerged and a fairly limited level of consultation with potential partners.

    The big thing in its favour is that a major union is actively collaborating with two radical political organisations to challenge New Labour. This is new and welcome.

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  5. chjh Avatar
    chjh

    As I understand it, the SWP is excluded from the initiative because we took the ‘wrong’ position on the Staythorpe and Lindsey disputes. Didn’t Socialist Resistance have the same position as the SWP on those disputes?

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  6. Duncan Avatar
    Duncan

    How is the SWP excluded? Are you prevent from voting for it? From supporting it in the pages of Socialst Worker? Preventing from distributing leaflets? Just because you’re not asked to speak at the press conference, that doesn’t mean that you can’t support the campaign.

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  7. Derek Wall Avatar
    Derek Wall

    Obviously I would say vote Green, Caroline Lucas and Jean Lambert do any excellent job as MEPs who do take their seats, lets not lose them, it only takes a relatively small number of votes for the RMT list….

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  8. non-partisan Avatar
    non-partisan

    So what’s SR’s take on this? you supporting it? involved in its preparation?

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  9. Prinkipo Exile Avatar
    Prinkipo Exile

    The “Liberal Party”, the rump of the original party who refused to join the LibDems back in the 1980s appear to be supporting this. They have 29 councillors and stood in the north west in 2004 under the slogan “No to the Euro”, winning 90,000 votes nearly 5%.

    Liberals and stalinists in an electoral alliance? Does this make it a popular front?

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  10. Duncan Avatar
    Duncan

    So long as the demands reflect the interests of working people, then the participation of the Liberal party isn’t automatically harmful.

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  11. Prinkipo Exile Avatar
    Prinkipo Exile

    Duncan – Liverpool Liberal councillor Steve Radford is a listed sponsor of No2EU. He topped the list for the Liberal Party in the North West with 92,000 votes in the last Euro elections and won a personal vote of well over 2,000 in Liverpool last year. Presumably he would be interested in standing in the Euro elections again, and if all supporters of No2EU were equal he would have a pretty strong case for being on its slate. Suppose in whatever dubious selection for a North West slate for No2EU, he mobilised his supporters and were to be chosen as the number 1 candidate. Would it then be reasonable to call for trade unionists and socialists to vote for that slate headed by him, against the Green Party slate headed by the admirable socialist Peter Cranie? Think about it.

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  12. Flea bite Avatar
    Flea bite

    As Laim says

    “Of course there are problems with this initiative, not the least of which is the opaque manner in which it has emerged and a fairly limited level of consultation with potential partners.”

    When is the Left ever going to learn?

    I hope the platform can attract a broad swathe of support but it´s a bit rich going on about the wholly undemocratic nature of the EU only to be undemocratic yourself.There was no open public or even broad left, democratic discussion, debate or even pretence at wide consultation in the drating of this platform policy.

    The whole of the British Left has had years,literally yeeeeeeeeeeears, to get it´self together,to come together to fromaulate a coherent viable policy on Europe and form a united platform which would be recognisable and credible in campaugning over a long period,in the run up for the European elections only for a secretive cabal to produce a rushed,ill thouhght out programme with only a few months away from the voting day and then to say that it wont stand in the European parliamenmt if elected is just plain stupid!

    A united,viable and sustainable socialist European vision is needed !

    While,of course, it is vital to FIGHT THE BNP at every level and every opportunity and draw as much support as possible away from it´s vile fascism and racism, this platform doesnt appear to me to really propose a suitably attractive and viable socialist alternative vision which is urgently required..

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  13. Liam Avatar
    Liam

    Our information confirms what chjh says. The SWP were ostensibly excluded due to their position on Lindsey and the SP were quite firm on this point. My hunch is that if it hadn’t been Lindsey they would have found another pretext. This is a very bad method and is the curse of the British left.

    By extension SR’s views on Lindsey would seem to exclude us from this project but we were not asked. Respect was told that it could participate but all the policies were already agreed.

    However hurt feelings and wounded pride aren’t enough for a political response. We had meeting of SR supporters today at which this was discussed. The short version is:

    We will support Respect candidates where they stand. A decision on this is to be taking at the upcoming national council.

    We support the decision by Respect in the north west to throw its weight behind Peter Cranie.

    We are supportive of the RMT’s decision to get involved in the European elections and see this as a welcome part of the process of realigment on the left. We will actively engage in this process.

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  14. Adamski Avatar
    Adamski

    Video footage of Straythorpe has now emerged showing the march being headed up by workers marching with union banners chanting ‘What do we want? Foreigners Out! When do we want it? Now’

    In West Wales – shockingly – wildcat strikers invited a member of the BNP to address the strike rally.

    This movement was clearly ambiguous.

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  15. Duncan Chapel Avatar
    Duncan Chapel

    Prinkipo Exile and I seem to be talking at cross purposes. He points out that the Green party’s lead candidate in the North West is a socialist. That’s great news, and it’s even better news that Respect is supporting him. However, that’s really a tactical choice. I was offering the opinion that the Liberal party’s support does not turn no2eu into a popular front.

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  16. Prinkipo Exile Avatar
    Prinkipo Exile

    Duncan – the question is: what is meant by “support”? Can I make the issue clearer … would the presence of Liberal Party members on the electoral lists of No2EU make it a popular front., and hence unsupportable?
    Liam – thanks for the further information. Whether this is the RMT supporting independent electoral campaigns, or simply throwing its weight behind the CP remains to be seen.

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  17. Duncan Chapel Avatar
    Duncan Chapel

    For me, the presence of Liberal party members on the list of no2eu would not make it a popular front. The key fact is that a pro-capitalist popular front’s programme supresses the objective interests of working people. The Popular Front in France, for example, subordinated working people to the programme of the ruling class. You have to gauge it by looking at the demands. They are supportable and, therefore, it’s a tactical question – rather than a principled one – about when and where it can be supported. In Scotland, the north-west and in London we might have stronger socialist candidatures – from people who will take their seats and who run for party-type organisation. Elsewhere, I think Respect should consider advising its members to vote for no2eu.

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  18. David Ellis Avatar
    David Ellis

    There’s no doubt the CPB are always grubbing around looking for bourgeois approval and who can say what their motives are for getting involved in this. The best way to drive the liberal element out is to push forward the socialist demands and they will leave. The worse thing about the campaign is that it calls itself No2EU and then goes around telling everybody it is actually pro-EU. If anything is designed to drive workers and potential middle class supporters into the arms of the right wing populists it is this kind of duplicity and the platform itself is one retreat after another from the name. CPB are probably motivated by the need to circumvent the growth of Respect. Certainly that would be my best guess for the SP involvement too and the indecent haste behind this lash up. If anything was going to unite the divide and rule sects it was to foil their transendence by Respect even if it meant bringing in a liberal sect to help.

    All that said, the RMT are heading it up and I like the RMT and the left-anti EU position needs to be heard. This cack-handed effort needs to be supported simply because it opens up that debate and poses the question of who rules Britain quite starkly. No doubt the CPB will not be prepared for its consequences but we should. A pre-revolutionary situation is most definitely on the cards and the ruling class are far more aware of that than the working class and certainly its self-appointed political spokesmen. In fact, I think the powers that be, especially in New Labour, are genuinuely surprised that there hasn’t yet been mass unrest. The army are apparently on standby according to Richard Ingrams in the Independent last week and the depression and malaise in the political elite is palpable. They know the game is up even if we don’t.

    Respect should get involved and pick up the pieces when this electoral front folds after the election and take forward the anti-EU position on a more coherent basis.

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  19. bill j Avatar
    bill j

    Its a half baked campaign with a reactionary programme. Socialists should not support it.
    These are the same union leaders who have not organised a single official strike against the recession. It is a utterly misconceived to believe that standing in the Euro elections, on a nationalist, not left wing at all platform, is a step forward.
    They will get a derisory vote. And while all the fuss is going on the recession will be claiming more jobs.
    The RMT should save their 45K and donate it to a strike fund.

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  20. Liam Avatar
    Liam

    David – “A pre-revolutionary situation is most definitely on the cards”. Yes to the extent that we are in a situation where a revolution hasn’t happened. More generally there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that any of the wage cuts, job losses, unpaid overtime are being seriously resisted. The response has been very weak. Hard times don’t necessarily make people revolutionary.

    Bill – it’s only being so cheerful as keeps you going. There are some problematic formulations in the platform. That’s a secondary issue. A major industrial union is challenging Labour and is working with a section of the left. That is a significant development and it’s shortsighted to dismiss what could prove to be an important step in the development of a new party.

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  21. charliemarks Avatar
    charliemarks

    It strikes me as a good idea to divert votes from the fascists who will be saying that they are the most anti-EU, knowing that there’s little support for EU membership let alone futher integration or the adoption of the Euro.

    The Green MEPs to a good job on workers’ rights and it would be a shame for them to be unseated – but quite honestly I doubt the RMT list will be in competition for votes.

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  22. David Ellis Avatar
    David Ellis

    Now Liam, don’t play fast and loose with serious scientific concepts. A pre-revolutionary situation means that transitional demands become very attractive and the potential for rapid buliding of the movement has arrived. Between the writing of the Communist Manifesto and the defeats of the late 1840s and 1870 Marx and Engels concentrated on theoretical development as the political system had settled into prolonged stasis. This was broken by the economic collapse of the 1870s which brought the two straight back into the fray to build the 1st International. It was butchered by the sects but the 2nd grew exponentially in the pre-revolutionary situation. The only thing that prevented the revolutionary situation becoming a revolutionary one was the emergence of imperialism the super profits of which were used to create a labour and trade union bureaucracy across the planet. The Cold War and the years following the collapse of the Soviet Union were also a period of prolonged stasis especially in the imperialist heart lands. That period has definitively come to an end with this economic crash. The building of revolutionary socialist movements suddenly becomes possible and this time it cannot be headed off by imperialism which can only now bring global destruction as opposed to super-profits.

    I don’t think the SP, CPB, RMT lash up is an important step to building a new party. The SP have opportunistically subordinated their programme to a genuinely rubbish platform. I think the big shame is that Respect couldn’t get its act together to stand in the Euro elections. I understand there were other pressing issues such as the brilliant Viva Palestina convoy but Respect’s inability to get something together is responsible for the cack-handed, opportunistic NO2EU campaign which is designed more than anything to circumvent the growth of a class struggle party left of Labour independent of the sects whose `birthright’ is the leadership of the working class. The only reason I would support the initiative is not because it can lead to the development of a new party, it cannot, but because it opens up the debate about the EU in the labour movement. Respect should participate and make itself a home for RMT activists in the future as it is for all working people in struggle. Certainly, ordinary citizens cannot join the RMT it being a railway workers union and nobody in their right mind will join the CPB or for that matter the SP. They don’t want the sects tablets of stone, they wan’t a place to go and have a serious discussion on the way forward.

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  23. skidmarx Avatar
    skidmarx

    Liam – I can’t get the presentation on the other thread to load.

    David Ellis – I’m reluctant to waste any more time explaining to a cesspool why it’s full of excrement, but I wonder sometimes how you can have such a lack of self-consciousness that you want Respect(minority) to participate in the cack-handed opportunistic NO2EU campaign while explaining that noone in their right mind would join any of the other participants, while claiming they are the sectarians. Incredible.

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  24. David Ellis Avatar
    David Ellis

    I don’t get it. Who’s the excrement? Who’s the cesspool? What’s incredible?

    I would like Respect to adopt the left anti neo-liberal EU position but also it is the only movement that can pick up the pieces from this hastily concocted lash up when it folds after the election. It has branches that can incorporate and take this discussion forward which transcend what can be offered by the propaganda sects of yore. Plus I don’t think Respect should simply ignore what a union as important as the RMT is doing but should support it best it can.

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  25. JimPage Avatar
    JimPage

    How is the SWP excluded? Are you prevent from voting for it? From supporting it in the pages of Socialst Worker? Preventing from distributing leaflets? Just because you’re not asked to speak at the press conference, that doesn’t mean that you can’t support the campaign.

    Derek Wall, on March 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pm Said:

    Its a very specific exclusion by name by the Stalinist CPB, of which this a wholly owned front organisation

    An alliance of Liberal Party sadcases, Stalinists, Europhobes and the SP who disgraced themselves by supporting the nationalist and xenophobic power workers strike.

    Why exactly would socialists have anything to do with this lot?

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  26. skidmarx Avatar
    skidmarx

    Jim Page – The SWP seems to have been cautiously encouraging of the campaign and their comrades in Scotland are joining in http://socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=17465.

    On the one hand it seems pointless to have an argument over whether the SWP was initially excluded, but if there is anyone within the current set-up who feels they should be excluded from influence over the campaign and only permitted to participate as cheerleaders it might be best to get that out in the open.

    David Ellis – I think that your Respect(minority) organisation will fold after the next election, because the pre-split Respect’s success was based on it being the expression of the disgust of a significant section of voters at New Labour dragging us into Bush’s war in Iraq. There are no branch’s to pick up anyone if the No2EU campaign proves a failure, there is no real discussion when there are differences within Respect (minority) like over BJ4BW, and I can’t distinguish your “anyone who joins these groups has lost their mind from any other sectarianism.

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  27. bill j Avatar
    bill j

    So Skidmarx when you said this;

    “I’m reluctant to waste any more time explaining to a cesspool why it’s full of excrement, but I wonder sometimes how you can have such a lack of self-consciousness that you want Respect(minority) to participate in the cack-handed opportunistic NO2EU campaign while explaining that noone in their right mind would join any of the other participants, while claiming they are the sectarians. Incredible.”

    Presumably that was before you realised the SWP were joining in?

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  28. RobM Avatar
    RobM

    Steady on there Bill. You don’t want to go undermining Skidmarx credibility do you?

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  29. Joseph Kisolo Avatar
    Joseph Kisolo

    The Euro’s all seem a bit pointless to me, but I expect I’ll vote Green. I’m glad No2EU are standing because they are unlikly to take Green votes and far more likely to take BNP votes.

    I long for the day when we can stop talking about, tactics this tactics that and vote for people we really believe in as part of a process of building a real left!

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  30. skidmarx Avatar
    skidmarx

    bill j – It was David Ellis, not me, who was describing the No2EU campaign as cack-handed and opportunistic, just as it was him, not me, who said that noone in their right mind would join the CPB or SP. For one thing I wouldn’t be so casually abusive about the right-hemisphere dominant. Presumably you thought this would be a witty and apposite comment before and without joining your fingers to any sort of brain function. I know you can do better.

    RobM – unless you think there is some special category called “Skidmarx credibility”, you should be placing an apostrophe at the end of Skidmarx, with the option of an “s” following. Once again you demonstrate one of the reasons why the Respect(minority) has descended into irrelevance, most of you are unwilling and incapable of conducting a political argument, and choose instead to engage in the most petty abuse. This reflects the unfounded aspiriations for a political revival based on the belief that masses of people will start to share your hero-worship of George Galloway when they have falied to do so up until now, and you have no rational argument to suggest this will change.
    Aha! I foresee you saying, but the Viva Palestina convoy has changed everything. Nonsense. I recall when it was setting out “Strategist” claimed on socialistunity that this was a brilliant political masterstroke (and I see within the last couple of days was repeating the Respect is aiming for three MPs after the next election and then we’ll see what happens. Well that ain’t gonna happen) presumably because the idea was that the Rafah croosing would be forced permanently open. In fact the convoy ended up in a shoddy compromise within the Egyptian government with much of the aid going through Israeli controlled crossings, and there was much abuse from Galloway supporters for those who supported other aid efforts and for those Egyptian oppositionists who dared to criticise them in their own country. Good that some aid got through and bad that the Canadian government is trying to keep Galloway out. But none of this is going to stop Respect(GG)is decline into an irreleventsia.

    Joseph Kisolo – quite a good point.

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  31. Gerry Downing Avatar
    Gerry Downing

    Well done Bill J, a principled stand at last, even though you did give ‘critical’ support to the LoR workers, so, like the SR and the SWP, the ‘critical’ bit will get you excluded. Here is a stand for the 28th G20 demo from those who gave the LoR no support:

    Socialist Fight

    Internationalism Now! Down with Economic Nationalism, Bj4Bw and No2 EU Europhobia! Build a Rank-and-File organisation that fights the bosses and the class treachery of the TU bureaucracy!

    The G20 summit demonstrates the rapidity with which the crisis is unfolding. Whole economies like Iceland and Ireland are virtually bankrupt, financial meltdown has unleashed economic meltdown and no one can say where it will end. And the political ramifications for the left are equally rapid. The Lindsey Oil Refinery strikes were the August 4th for the British working class. Those like the SP and CPB who gave them enthusiastic support have now got their reward.

    The Stalinists of the CPB, who have been the traditional bagmen for the class traitors of the TU bureaucracy, have welcomed the ‘Trotskyist’ SP into the fold of economic nationalism. Fronted by Bob Crow, with no consultation with his members, the new No2 EU platform is a straight British nationalist response which attempts to steal the votes of the UKIP. Like the infamous ‘foreigners out’ demonstration in Staythorpe this appalling political treachery has struck fear into every immigrant worker and much of the black and Asian community. If even ’lefts’ like Simpson, Crow, Nellist and the CPB are prepared to tack so far right for opportunist gains how can they fight let alone defeat the BNP?

    But divisions are not really so bad if they reveal reality in time to fight back. The SWP has swung to the left after the split with Galloway and is now recruiting rapidly on leftist demands. Despite the problems with their own capitulation to trade union bureaucracies (why back Faircloth in the Amicus election?) and the popular frontism of the UAF, etc. their members are demanding a real fight now, revolutionists should give critical support to that.

    The future of the working class and poor, particularly immigrants, is indeed grim and they will be joined by a vast section of the middle class who will be rapidly driven down into their ranks. A year or so ago every right-wing think-thank in the planet trumpeted low taxation, deregulation and privatisation as the neo-liberal model that leads to robust economic growth. The number of millionaires and billionaires has rocketed but this was “necessary” so the poor could benefit from some trickle-down, or ‘crumbs from the master’s table’ as one patronising bigot put it long ago. Today we are encouraged to hate these greedy bankers and fat cat finance capitalists but not the system itself, which the People’s Charter assures us is reformable.

    The anarchist answer is to defend localism; local communities defending jobs and fighting the oppressive state is the only way. What is wrong with British jobs for British workers, Irish jobs for Irish workers and local jobs for local workers? Down with the EU, back to fortress Britain? But the door is then opened for the far right; economic nationalism is the field of operation of the fascists of the BNP, it ties the workers to the bosses’ system and must destroy the very basis of working class consciousness, its internationalism and its objective need to produce wealth on the basis of a world planned economy. Workers are the only true global class whose interests can only be truly served by global planning; we live in a global system run by capitalists interested solely in their own greedy short term profits.
    Revolutionary Trotskyists must provide the answer then by fighting for the world revolution. If the Waterford Crystal occupation becomes fashionable then the sacred right of private property, which underpins all global oppression, will be raised again as an international tactic. Only when private property is overthrown and collective, effective human rights (not the UN UDHR) are established and when we produce food and manufactures for human need, not profit can workers begin the struggle for international socialism. We must sweep away the ‘muck of ages’: sexism, homophobia and economic nationalism which leads to racism, wars and rationalises all human oppression.

    But we cannot do it effectively when we collaborate with a TU bureaucracy which seeks to jail militant Belfast Airport shop stewards. We cannot do it when we go on marches with Lindsey Oil Refinery strikers who shout ‘foreigners out’. Just as we must not capitulate to the trade union bureaucracy we cannot circumvent them either by ‘base unions’, we must fight and defeat them to reclaim the unions as class struggle organs by building a rank-and-file organisation. Internationalists will then see their aspirations as real possibilities: no local answers, no trade union bureaucratic sell-out deals to save capitalism; occupy, organise and strike to unite the working class nationally and internationally, then the revolutionary struggles will begin in earnest. Down with Bj4Bw and No2 EU nationalism, workers of the world unite!

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  32. David Ellis Avatar
    David Ellis

    Socialist Fight sounds demented. Is the ultra-flexible Skidmarx a member? Skiddy, you really should keep tabs on the line before putting your foot in it. You are beyond idiocy or help. From cess pool to good idea in two posts. A record even for you.

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  33. Puzzled Avatar
    Puzzled

    According to Jim Page on March 26 above:

    “Derek Wall, on March 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pm Said:
    Its a very specific exclusion by name by the Stalinist CPB, of which this a wholly owned front organisation”

    Unless something has gone missing, Derek’s post said no such thing. Nor would it be true in any respect at all.

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