John McAnulty’s recent article on the Visteon occupation has provoked some controversy both on this site and at Socialist Unity. John replies to some of the points here.

There is a certain light-headedness about comments on my recent Visteon article that I find astonishing. There is really little that is more fundamental Visteon Belfast Protest by norman_briggs.in working class politics than questions of victory and defeat that arise every day in the course of class struggle.

One would expect that socialist activists would have some formal schema, some common agreement about something as basic as winning and losing, rather than rely on off-the-cuff impressionism or dogmatic assertion.

Two definitions of victory have been offered. The new SWP line – that struggle is itself a victory – is just plain daft. The other, that any improvement is victory – does not stand scrutiny. In the case of the Visteon workers they lost jobs, pensions and redundancy rights and were given a few moments to leave the factory. At the end they received redundancy and holiday pay and a severance payment. The individual payments varied with length of service. This is clearly an improvement on nothing, but to claim that workers who have lost jobs and pensions have won a victory is hard to take.

The claims of victory are a standard response of union leaderships anxious to obscure how little they have achieved for their members and are increasingly taken at face value by leftists wedded to a strategy of unity with the bureaucrats.

One left critic of my article illustrated this perfectly, falsely claiming that my view was that only the full restoration of jobs would have counted as victory and arguing that, because police and courts had forced workers out of the English factories, a deal had to be struck before bargaining chips slipped from the workers hands. But this is a wild distortion. There are plenty of workers available to testify that they were not forced from the factories by police, but coaxed out by the union bureaucracy. So the steely negotiators determining the best moment to strike a deal are also those removing cards from the workers hands!

It is of course the case that a battle can end without meeting its objectives but can generate a strategic advantage. In order to establish this it is necessary to look at the nature of the employers attack.

In the Visteon struggle Ford used shell companies, creative accounting and specialist administrations who more and more use the shock tactic of instant dismissal to force workers out.

All of these remain intact. Even when the ‘bankrupt’ Visteon came up with severance pay no questions were asked. Both the unions and the local political parties remain committed to sweetheart deals with the transnationals

The other direction in which gains might have been made is in the development of broader forms of organization able to force back these kinds of attacks in the future. Unfortunately the Visteon struggle remained in-house, with offers of support from local NUJ and INTO activists not taken up and official demonstrations almost comic in their insincerity and ineffectiveness.

The sorts of attacks represented by Visteon will become more and more common. The pressure on workers to defend themselves will become more intense. That’s why it is so essential that questions of victory and defeat are dealt with fully and honestly.

9 responses to “Internet critics trash Visteon article”

  1. The SWP line is ‘that struggle in itself is a victory’?
    My impression is that this was some comment Eamonn Mcann made in a public meeting. I haven’t seen it argued in print either publicly or internally, or heard anyone argue it on the street or anywhere else. The rational heart of it is that to get any fight-back off the ground is better than no fight at all, but that’s about it.

    You know what, I reckon it was just Eamonn going off on a bit of a freestyle riff in a public meeting.

    Bottom line is Ford had to cough up 5 figure sums for a group that they said they had nowt to do with. That’s a victory in my book.

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  2. The actual position of the SWP is found on their website. It basically argues that it was a partial victory, but more could have been won if the union had done more.

    “The Visteon occupation has ended in a victory, but for many workers it is bitter sweet. For most of those involved in the occupation this was a struggle for jobs. It was a fight to keep the plant open.
    The jobs could have been saved. The Occupations, pickets and solidarity forced Ford to the negotiating table. Had Unite the union supported calls for workers to black parts and stop production throughout the Ford group, the outcome and result would have been far better, including the plant being re opened.”
    http://swp.ie/index.php?page=89&dept=News

    Initially John suggested that the SWPs approach was to support Jimmy kelly, he based this on something he had read on indymedia over a year ago rather than anything the SWP was actually saying.
    Now he says the SWP are arguing that struggle itself is a victory. Honesty is indeed needed

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  3. […] Liam Mac Uaid has since replied to this, as follows, though for some reason he did not link to my article to say what he was responding to: One left critic of my article illustrated this perfectly, falsely claiming that my view was that only the full restoration of jobs would have counted as victory and arguing that, because police and courts had forced workers out of the English factories, a deal had to be struck before bargaining chips slipped from the workers hands. But this is a wild distortion. There are plenty of workers available to testify that they were not forced from the factories by police, but coaxed out by the union bureaucracy. So the steely negotiators determining the best moment to strike a deal are also those removing cards from the workers hands! […]

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  4. John’s entire position on this is ultra left posturing. The logical extension of it is that any strike that does not generalise into a world revolutionary moverment is a failure.

    If the dispute is taken in it’s proper context, can we say that: a) it was able to force Ford into a humiliating climb down and offer a massive pay out; b) that it is a bigger victory than any of the other disputes that have arisen as a consequence of the economic crisis in Britian and Norn Iron; c) that it proves, concretely, that militant action, even illegal action, can get results; or, d) that other people, whether through hearing about it on the grapevine or through the direct interventions of socialists, might as a consequence be more likely to take action when faced with attacks in the future?

    I think the answer to all four is yes, which is why, although the Visteon workers didn’t get everything we (or they) would have liked to have gotten, it is a concrete advance for the working class movement. There won’t be many people (other than whining ultra left loons) who will look at the massive payout the worker got and think, “Oh bugger, yet another reason why there’s no point fighting during the crisis.”

    Frankly, given Andy’s fawning and fulsome loveletter to the Unite bureaucracy who tried to de-escalate the dispute at every opportunity, I think it’s a bit of a stretch to include him as a “left critic.”

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  5. John’s position is that the strike was not a victory because the jobs were lost.
    That is unfortunately true.
    And thats why notwithstanding the improved conditions etc. it can’t really be described as a victory, not only did it not save the jobs, but this workforce one of the best organised in the UK will be smashed, scattered to the winds and their tradition of trade unionism destroyed.
    34 ultra left loons at Belfast realised that and voted against the deal, including most of the lay officials.
    Whining moaners never happy. And after all that Woodley had done for them and all.

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    Having gone to some trouble to try and explain what victory and defeat might mean in terms of workers struggle and move beyond insult and impressionismit is a bit disheartening to be answered by “Yo! they got somthing and that’s victory – youse is nothing but an ultraleft!

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  7. Trivialising and dismissing other people’s arguments is also disheartening.
    We haven’t seen a series of militant occupations for a long time. And yes, they did get something , something they had to fight hard for and proved it wasn’t futile to fight , that you can win . Not an ideal outcome but if they didn’t fight they would have got nothing . I don’t see why pointing that out is insulting or impressionistic.

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  8. “34 ultra left loons at Belfast realised that and voted against the deal, including most of the lay officials.”

    You know when you play a game of football and you win by 1-nil? That’s a victory. You know when you win by 3-nil? That’s a bigger victory. You know when the next team goes into a game and looks at those people who won 1-nil and thinks, “Hmm, if we learn from that 1-nil victory and do things differently, we might win by more than 1-nil (and therefore have more chance of qualifying on goal difference)? That’s drawing inspiration from the previous victories and understanding what mistakes were made so as not to repeat them, learning from the class in struggle.

    That’s right, I decided to drop the analogy because it’s so bleeding obvious.

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  9. […] and making them vulnerable to Ford/Visteon double crossing. Socialist Democracy’s John McAnulty takes issue with claims that the occupying Visteon workers had no option but to leave the Enfield factory: […]

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