Nick Wrack of Southwark Respect wrote this piece for the current issue of The Respect Paper.

No2EU – yes to democracy

Southwark Respect has decided to support to No2EU in the Euro Elections in London. Other branches of Respect have also voted to back it.

The NO2EU list in the capital is headed by Bob Crow, leader of the rail workers union, the RMT and the most militant union in the country.

Other candidates in London include Kevin Nolan, convener of the Visteon workers in Enfield.

NO2EU is an important initiative that seeks to pose an alternative for working class people to vote for across the country. It is backed by the RMT, many other trade unionists, the CPB and the Socialist Party.

The European Union is a bosses club. Its purpose is to create a Europe in which there are no barriers to big business and to allow the free rule of the market.

It is the EU that has been the greatest force for deregulation and privatisation across the continent in recent years.

Laws passed by the European parliament and the decisions of the European Court have undermined workers’ rights. The posted workers directive, which was at the centre of the Lindsey dispute, is only the best-known example in this country.

The neo-liberal Europe being pushed by the EU must be opposed.

Up until now in this country the arguments against the EU have mostly come from the right.

They create fear that it is scheming foreigners who want to undermine our way of life and whip up feeling against migrant workers.

Yet it has been British governments, whether Labour or Tory, that have pushed most enthusiastically for privatisation and deregulation in the EU.

No2EU stands for international workers solidarity. It is an opportunity to undermine the racist lies of the right.

Mainstream politics is dominated by a deadening consensus. Despite the economy sliding into the greatest crisis since in fifty years the differences between the major parties are miniscule.

Rather than reject the economic policies that have led to this crisis Gordon Brown’s government is giving us more of the same. Rather than taking the failed banking system into full state control and using it for the good of ordinary people they have thrown billions to the bankers.

And we will be paying for this for a generation to come. Whoever forms the next government they will push for massive cuts in public spending and services.

New Labour has betrayed the working class and accepted the bosses’ agenda lock stock and barrel.

They have betrayed the hopes that millions put in them in 1997. This has created conditions for the growth of the BNP and other parties of the right.

To resist the shift to the right, and to defend working class people against the crisis and the inevitable attacks on jobs, wages and conditions that it will bring, the working class needs a political alternative that can gain mass support. The working class needs a new party to represent it.

In 1900 the RMT (the NUR as it then was) became one of the founding members of the Labour party because it realised the labour movement needed its own political voice. In 2004 it was expelled from that same party.

The fact that it is now one of the main moving forces behind No2EU is of massive importance. It is a sure sign that many in the labour movement now see the necessity to pose an electoral alternative to the neo-liberal consensus.

NO2EU is a temporary platform for the European elections, not a new party but we hope that it will also be a step towards the new workers’ party we so desperately need. That is why we welcome this and support every step taken by the labour movement to find its own political voce again.

That is why in these elections we will be campaigning for No2EU.

For more details on the campaign email: southwarkrespect@yahoo.co.uk or call 07930 534 448

36 responses to “No2EU – yes to democracy”

  1. I trust the Respect Paper will also be carrying articles on North West and Birmingham Respect’s support for the Green Party candidates in their regions.

    And the fact that other Respect members in London will be campaigning for and voting for the city’s excellent Green Party MEP Jean Lambert .

    Nick Wrack and his co-thinkers may think a last minute lash up between the RMT, CPB and SP that is No2EU is some kind of step forward. Plenty of others don’t.

    Mark P

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  2. A lash up that was set up by a trade union and two socialist organisations. As opposed to the Green Party that is a middle class pro capitalist environmental pressure group that dusts off all its other formal policies at election times to fool the gubble so-called left.

    Congratulations Nick to you and your comrades. Hopefully, the sounder elements of Respect will take a full part in any moves to a new workers party. The others can join the likes of Perryman and Newman in blind allies elsewhere.

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  3. Mark – Nick’s article is on page 9. Kay’s article calling for a vote for the Greens in the north west is on page 8.

    Doug – there do seem to be rather arbitrary and unhelpful criteria set about which organisations are allowed to “officially” support No2eu. More on this later.

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  4. Whatever the criteria had been, there would still have been the ‘Vote Green’ and ‘Vote NL’ sections of Respect because those elements don’t believe in class politics.

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  5. Thanks for that Liam, glad to hear that those Respect members calling for a Green vote are being given space too.

    Doug before you drown in your own sea of pomposity perhaps you could itemise the voting record of Caroline Lucas and Jean Lambert in the European Parliament that reveals them as shoddy traitors of the working class with their support for privatisation, clampdown on asylum and migrant worker rights, attacks on civil libertises, not to mention shameful support for both the war in Iraq and Israel’s assault on Gaza.

    And while you’re at it do detail the breadth of support the CPB and SP bankrolled by the RMT’s £50,000 have managed to attract since the launch of the campaign. Strangely enough this support doesn’t seem to have registered even 1% in the polls so far, blasted capitalist media for you eh?

    Mark P

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  6. Mr Perryman, why is it that anyone who disagrees with your insipid politics is accused of being pompous? For your information your Green chums did support privatisation in the European Parliament – when their amendment was defeated, they voted for the substantive motion, whose main thrust was -wait for it, privatisation!

    It has already been pretty well documented what the Greens get up to when elected to various bodies – in this country and elsewhere. That isn’t because of personal failings or naivity it’s because they’re a petit bourgeois radical capitalist party. To suggest otherwise is nonsense. Then again, nonsense is what we’ve come to expect from you.

    I’m not sure what you mean when you ask what breadth of support the No2EU campaign has attracted? Do you want attendance figures at public meetings, numbers of posters in windows? Or are you talking about other leftist organisations or individuals? If so, the kind of breadth you’re probably referring to is some mythical progressive alliance i.e. fudged anti-socialism. I know which organisation I’d prefer to be involved in – one with working class trade unionists having key roles in it, not clueless middle class hippies. Perhaps Green people are more tolerant of your ‘reclaim the flag of St George’ blather (do you still sing ‘Rule Britannia’ at England matches?) And regarding NO2EU’s poll ratings, the campaign is just picking up a head of steam and in most regions is around the 3-4% mark – sorry to disappoint you.

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  7. Your pomposity is rooted in your politics, this strange idea that you and any organisation you happen to be a member of/support is the sole repository of working class politics.

    Yes, yes Green Parties in other countries sell out. Now get down to specifics, cite where the Green Party MEPs in England we can vote for have backed privatosation, anti migrant workers, pro Iraq War votes.

    I would have thought it was pretty obvious the question on No2UE’s breadth, or lack of. Has a single other trade union join in this alliance, how many of the candidates are beyond the SP and CPB, who’s doing any leg work. Working Class Trade Unionists? Perhaps you know something I don’t about three universiy professors on number one or two on the regional lists. Whats the scale of support even in the RMT beyond full time officials?

    No, I;ve never once sung Rule Britannia, unlike you I;m willing to argue the case against it tho amongst football fans not in the security of some left wing group’s branch meeting, and if you’d bothered to read anyhing I’d ever written before criticising it you would know I also specifically reject the idea of ‘reclaiming’ a flag, its a symbol to be contested not claimed.

    3-4%. You are deluding yourself. I’ll make this promise if No2EU tops 3% in any region I’ll never contribute to this blog again, are you willing to match that wager?

    Mark P

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  8. No2EU is just the left-wing of UKIP.

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  9. the vote is not really that important an issue here. of course it will get a low vote and be well beaten by the greens, ukip, bnp etc etc.

    the main issue is that a militant union is backing a new coalition against new labour. maybe nothing will come of that. maybe it will lead to a new working class political party, uniting sections of the left and the more militant trade unions.

    the greens, for many reasons, have no class appeal and therefore there are not a serious vehicle for the mass of workers to fight in their interests, let alone for socialism. they never will be. yes there are socialists in the greens, and at some point they might split with the pro-capitalist wing.

    socialists shouldnt go over to the greens though, or to plaid, english democrats(!) etc etc. they should continue to fight for an independent workers party on a socialist programme.

    some sections of respect seem to be very keen on the greens, so why don’t they just join them? if the greens are so progressive, and you have better career prospects in them, then i think they should just join and get it over with!

    whatever elements of respect still see the working class as central can maybe link up with militant unions and others on the left to attempt the creation of a workers party.

    KS

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  10. What do you mean maybe?
    Its got no organisation now. What sort of organisation do you think it’ll have after its been crushed at the polls?

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    “the main issue is that a militant union is backing a new coalition against new labour. maybe nothing will come of that. maybe it will lead to a new working class political party, uniting sections of the left and the more militant trade unions.”

    The RMT has had loads of opportunities to back, and be central to, left wing formations for the last few years. Its leadership refused to get involved essentially because the leadership wasn’t at the very core of it.

    The truth is, if a new party comes out of this, it will do so only if the trade union bureaucracy has tight control over it.

    The beginnings of No2EU show how they intend to operate. Space for rank and file movements will be so tight, I don’t believe it will be possible to open it up – too many experienced bureaucrats are already involved, and they know how to close down debate.

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  12. “too many experienced bureaucrats are already involved, and they know how to close down debate.” That’s certainly a groundbreaking development on the British left.

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  13. yes there are dangers when a union bureaucracy, even if they are a left one with a good record, creates a new party, so on that i agree.

    i don’t think that would be a reason not to engage, especially if a new party was a pole of attraction to workers and those on the left.

    incidently though i think some of the rmt exec are more in favour of a democratic multi-tendency party than you think, with freedoms to publicise different viewpoints, have delegates at conferences and so on, because of their negative experiences in the slp.

    anyway we’ll all have to wait and see what happens…

    ks

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  14. If a new party was formed that was a ‘pole of attraction to workers’ then I agree with ks that socialists should engage- encourage it, argue for policies to be decided by the rank and file, orient it to class struggle methods of fighting and argue for socialist politics.

    The main problem with no2eu is not that its politics are a mish-mash of ineffectual reformism and inchoate anti-EU little England patriotism. If there was a party or even a campaign that had sufficient purchase on sections of the working class in struggle then some form of critical support may indeed be called for.

    The problem with no2eu is that it is just a delcaration of policies from on high with no involvement of working class communites or rank and file trade unionists.

    If we are serious about a workers’ challenge to the bankruptcy of Labour, to use class struggle against the threat of the BNP etc then a step should be to argue for and convene meetings of rank and file trade unionists, left groups (including respect, swp, cnwp, no2eu) and campaigns in the autumn to:

    1) form a rank and file network of activists up and down the country to plan, co-ordinate and prosecute militant campaigns of occupation against job losses, against privatisation, cuts and other attacks on working class communities

    2) chart out a timetable for the formation of a new organisation/ alliance/ party with full democracy, rights for platforms and tendencies etc.

    3) encourage th emergence of workers’ candidates for next year’s council elections as a dry-run for the general election to mobilise and organise local working class militancy and campaigns or if a general election is called sooner then for that

    The main oint of such a co-ordination and party is to organise and co-ordinate working class resistance; standing in elections is only useful insofar as it contributes to that

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  15. A Plaid Councillor in Wrexham reported popping into a No2EU meeting and there were only about 6 local people there & Despite Bob Crow speaking, the local RMT branch secretary knew nothing about it!

    “the main issue is that a militant union is backing a new coalition against new labour. maybe nothing will come of that. maybe it will lead to a new working class political party, uniting sections of the left and the more militant trade unions.”

    This is misleading, some stalinist bureaucrats in the leadership of the RMT are sponsoring No2EU with no consultation or even knowledge of the members. As stated an RMT branch secretary (incidentally representing a branch that donated money to Forward Wales before it imploded) didn’t even know that the leader of his union was speaking on their watch.

    Apparently there will be no mailshot leaflet from No2EU in Wales ‘cos they can’t afford it. And with zero media coverage this suggests that the miniscule vote they receive will probably be from people who see the name and think they are voting for a UKIP type outfit.

    The whole thing is a joke from start to finish & contains some very nasty nationalistic pap. You go to the section on ‘Workers rights’ and its mostly about foreign workers, not the first issue that would come to most socialists mind when talking about rights for workers. In fact, even more disgraceful is there is not a single line on the website defending asylum seekers and migrant workers – that’s shocking! This must be the only ‘left platform’ that doesn’t have standing shoulder to shoulder with immigrants and opposing racist scapegoating on its platform – something that you think would be in the ‘Vote to keep out the BNP’ section perhaps.

    As I posted before on here. If this bureacratic last minute platform had been launched with a better name – ‘No2Bankers – Yes2Workers’ or ‘We Won’t Pay for Their Crisis – Bailout People not Banks’ and a not particularly radical old labour type programme – Tax the rich to rebuild the welfare state, nationalise lots of stuff, free education for all, defend asylum seekers and migrants, decent pensions, it could have – despite the problematic way it was set up – achieved something and I might have considered voting for it.

    But as it stands, no socialist can vote for No2EU.

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  16. It’s hilarious seeing Swappies bitching and ultra left posturing about No2EU because they didn’t get invited to the party. Utterly isolated and loathed by the rest of the left, they’ve got nothing else to do except churning out useless apolitical UAF/Hope not Hate leaflets, acting as a de facto PR department for the capitalist parties, who are largely responsible for some working class people turning to the BNP in the first place. For all its imperfections, No2EU is a united front electoral alternative to the BNP and hopefully the start of a process that will end in a genuine workers party. No2EU has trade union militants from Lindsey and Visteon in its ranks and others like Rob Williams. You’ve got Peter Hain and Nicholas Soames. Good luck with that.

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  17. So you have to be invited to the party now? Be part of some exclusive club?

    Never mind the SWP- what about rank and file trade union members or people in working class communites? Why not hold open organising meetigns rather than behind closed doors secret gatherings needing an invite?

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    “Mark P, on May 21st, 2009 at 8:04 am Said:

    I trust the Respect Paper will also be carrying articles on North West and Birmingham Respect’s support for the Green Party candidates in their regions.”

    I think Mark is well aware that there has been no vote of support for the Greens from the Birmingham Respect members at a meeting that was held to make a decision.
    The North West decison was made prior to the formation of No2EU – Yes To Democracy campaign.

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  19. But hasn’t Salma Yacoub Respect Birmingham Councillor endorsed a vote for the Greens?

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  20. Talking garbage. The North West decision was discussed on two occasions at branch meetings and one branch committee after NO2EU was announced. There was overwhelming support for the Vote Green – Join Respect position to the point where the alternative position was withdrawn after debate.

    Why? Because, far from being renegades from class politics as some infants wish to suggest, we recognize that the Green Party is a complex formation that changed fundamentally with most of the worldwide movement after Seattle in 1999. In 1989, it may have been correct to claim it as a ‘petty bourgeois party’ (never right to talk of a ‘bourgeois party’ – how you love arcane rhetoric).

    After Seattle and into the anti war movement, it became clear that the Green Party became a key repository of these movements giving rise to a complex series of relationships within its ranks (that we feel is worth a long term dialogue) and making the Green Party a partial expression of resistance to the system. In the North West areas where Respect has not stood, we find our supporters will largely vote Green as the closest left alternative to Labour.

    This is without the undoubted tactical necessity in the face of a genuine threat from the BNP in the North West. No2EU was too late and too specific to answer that threat, whereas Cranie’s anti-fascism and pro-Palestine positions made the case for tactical support clear to us. Thus, the Respect branch instructed two members to approach the Green Party in November 08.

    No2EU may be more ‘working class’. One big problem for it and its supporters is the very old fashioned language that does not relate to Respect’s supporters or many of the angry, anti war and Seattle influenced people that are looking for a marker at this moment.

    Our experience of the last four weeks is that we have dramatically widened the appeal and audience of Respect over and above the already huge strides of Viva Palestina, another project roundly ignored and abused by some of the very same people that now jump to tune.

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  21. Chris may have a point about some activists in the Green party- there does seem to be a certain section of the anti-capitalist movement who support Green, some of whom are involved in the Green party.

    That doesn’t take away the lack of roots or connections with working class organisations or that the party is a pro-capitalist party with Green councillors in office often not having a particulalry good record in opposing cuts, privatisation etc- the main point though is that voting Green does not have a siginficant base in the working class.

    Yes a small proportion of activists do and we should have a dialogue with these people- through joint campaigns etc. However I am far from convivnced that critical support for Greens is a way of ahving a frutiful dialogue or of helping the working class organising politically.

    Chris may be against NO2EU’S ‘old-fahsioned language- I’d suggest a much bigger issue is its lack of roots, lack of rank and file involvment and its pandering to patriotism in its idenitification of membership of the EU and foreign workers as being problems. However, Chris has not got over the old-fashioned and destructive tendency to call political opponents ‘infants’ and ‘talking garbage’- not a particulrly good tactic for opening dialogue or encouraging debate, I’d suggest.

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  22. There’s nothing complex about the Green Party – they’re a capitalist party that is fundamentally an environmental pressure group. For some reason it contains a small number of socialists – being an old Trot I thought the main reason socialists would join a capitalist party would be to relate to workers, not vegan cafe owners.

    I know the Greens will point to the raft of policies they have but let’s face it most of these are dusted off at election times. Throughout the country the Green Party’s main activities largely revolve around environmental issues, particularly recycling. As for their records as councillors, coaltions with anyone who promises recycling facilties and votingf for all manner of anti-working class measures e.g. cuts in public services, are the order of the day.

    It seems to me that Respect members will increasingly have three choices. On the one hand class politics that people like Nick Wrack and Neil Williams clearly believe in (and, I suspect Jerry Hicks etc), those moving closer to the Green Party and its pseudo-radical blind alley, or the Galloway/Newman wing desperate to (re) join New Labour.

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  23. Chris C remains wedded to the old SWP schema that “everything changed with Seattle”, unfortunately it didn’t.

    Is the Green Party “a partial expression of resistance to the system”?

    Well not in Lewisham where its just voting with Labour to privatise a school despite a parents occupation. Not in Leeds where it used to be in coalition with the Tories. Not in Ireland where in coalition government it has just voted through an austerity budget that, amongst other things, halves unemployment benefit for young people. And then of course there is Iceland where in coalition it is forcing through an IMF austerity programme. Clearly some change since Seattle!

    Chris its easy to appear “radical” when you are out of power or in opposition. The nature of the Green Party is shown when it is in power – remember Joschka Fischer in Germany and his active support for the Afghanistan invasion?

    By suggesting that the Green Party is somehow represents opposition to the system and calling for a vote for it Respect is just helping a pro capitalist, yes bourgeois party, get a leg up.

    PS And anyone who thinks petit bourgeois radical parties can’t become bourgeois parties should read a bit of history. Starting with the SR’s in Russia, working their way through the Sandinista’s and the ANC, and ending with the German Greens.

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    Stuart King, on May 25th, 2009 at 9:57 pm Said:
    “But hasn’t Salma Yacoub Respect Birmingham Councillor endorsed a vote for the Greens?”

    Yes Salma did but as far as I am aware from people who have posted on the web who were at the Birmingham meeting ther was no vote to support the Greens. Salma was speaking for herself but as the official “leader” of Respect some people may have mistaken this as support from Birmingham Respect as a whole and even Respect at national level. The same occured with t he published picture of George and the North West Green candidate.

    There is no national support from the Respect National Council for either Nick Wrack in London or Dave Hill (No2EU No1 in South East) both Respect members other than any support from branches or regions. This was a huge mistake in my opinion.

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  25. Neil – did you raise this issue – this ‘huge mistake’ at the last Respect national Council meeting at the weekend? If so what did they say? Did your position demanding national support for Nick Wrack and Dave Hill get defeated?

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    The Respect position on the Euro elections was made at the last Respect NC and not Saturdays pooly attended meeting.

    As you are well aware there was only 13 members from 50 at Saturdays Respect NC with almost all the No2EU supporters out on election work (and quite right too) – I would have been rather stupid to have raised it it such circumstances would I not?

    As it was I did raised an objecton to the idea that Respect should stand alone in the next election in lotsof new areas ( a figure of 100 seats was mentioned) without at least attempting to form a working coalition with others as you know.

    TLC why do you not think it was “any sort of mistake” to not offer Nicjk Wrack and Dave Hill national support (rather than local) when they are Respect members?

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    Adamski on May 25 above:
    “A Plaid Councillor in Wrexham reported popping into a No2EU meeting and there were only about 6 local people there ”

    There were 2 from the local Alliance for Green Socialism there, Bob Crow and Pete Skelly from the RMT, Rob Williams and three other SP delegates to the Wales TUC, 3 Deeside TUC officers (all CPB), Rob Griffiths and a woman CPB member from (I think) Cardiff, 3 local postal workers, one local anti-fascist football fan, 3 local CPB members, one Unison official, one CPB full-timer etc .. that’s at least 22 that I can remember. An excellent meeting.

    That should give some measure of the honesty and credibility of the rest of Adamski’s bile about No2EU.

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    Forgot the local Plaid Cymru member (same person as the councillor?) and Morning Star editor John Haylett … so that’s at least 24. Not quite the dismal affair that Adamski is so desperate to portray.

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  29. If Rob Williams was standing as Socialist Alternative, I’d vote for him & urge others to, as he is a fine trade unionist and internationalist. I might consider voting for Rob Griffiths (incidentally I was reading a good article by him yesterday written years ago about ‘The Mountain Fox’ . . .) despite the differences I have with the CPB – particularly as in the very recent past he was urging us to reclaim Labour – a Labour of Sisyphus methinks! But I can’t vote for No2EU given that in the section on ‘Workers Rights’ it mainly concentrates on foreign workers in a very dodgy way & contains no explicit defence of refugees, asylum seekers and migrant workers to compensate, is nationalistic & the sectarian, bureaucratic and undemorcratic way it has been set up. Maybe the forces involved in it can become a positive part of building a new anti-capitalist party in Britain in the future – I hope so.

    How about actually addressing the issues No2EU supporter rather than referring to ‘bile’? The people criticising your project are not those who stand on the sidelines of the working class movement, but people involved in a wide range of grassroots politics and community activism. Personally if I was an activist in No2EU, I’d find it difficult to relate the programme to the needs and concerns of the social movements I am involved in and know – For example, the people I work with, the campaign against the scrapping of humanities evening courses and adult education in my city, the people being made redundant and losing their jobs, the anarchist bookfair I attended last week, the students & young people who occupied a lecture theatre at thelocal university in solidarity with Gaza, my family who were once traditional labour voters, the activists setting up a new feminist group, the anti-deporation protest I’m just off to attend. The programme doesn’t connect with people on the doorstep (accept the opportunist populism of pinning the blame for everything on the EU – hardly a class conscious vote) or in social movements. Which is hardly surprising because it wasn’t created by people democratically, but stitched up in a backroom.

    As it happens I was clearly misinformed about the mailshot as I received a No2EU – frontpage headline ‘The EU isn’t working’ this morning. Probably the best of election leaflets I have received except bizarrely implying that the EU is the main source of our problems. Kinda lets the British government, Welsh Assembly and local councillors off the hook.

    This is the exact wording of the Plaid Councillor’s report:

    ‘I hope this meeting is better organised than the Wrexham one on Monday, which seemed to be a staging post for people on their way to the Wales TUC conference in Llandudno.
    About half a dozen local people present with the rest from Deeside and S Wales.
    Despite Bob Crow speaking, the local RMT branch secretary knew nothing about it.
    Very strange way to build support.’

    Are No2EU supporters going to continue to smear any criticism from the Left as from ‘ultra-lefts’ ‘sectarians’ etc? Actually the criticism comes from fairly mainstream quarters, for example, Marc Serwotka, the leader of a major trade union, at a meeting in Cardiff made it clear that while having respect for Bob Crow (whom he described as the best trade union leader in Britain today ) and others involved in No2EU he couldn’t vote for the project as 1) The programme was flawed and nationalistic 2) It wasn’t democratic and you shouldn’t take short cuts when building an alternative to Labour.

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  30. “TLC why do you not think it was “any sort of mistake” to not offer Nicjk Wrack and Dave Hill national support (rather than local) when they are Respect members?”

    Neil. I have no idea whether it is a mistake or not as I have no idea what you mean by ‘national support’. And since it appears you did not ask the national council when you had the opportunity then I suspect that nor do they.

    It appears according to you that much of the National council was out campaigning for No2EU – is that not giving national support to Nick? There are articles on the Respect national website supporting No2EU – is that not giving national support? What is ‘national support’?

    Now assuming we are supposed to know what ‘national support’ means there is still no automatic reason to give it to members who are standing for another organisation. But there might well be. But surely that would involve asking for it and defining what it meant. That is what national meetings are for. But clearly Nick Wrack didn’t feel the need to ask the NC for any such support. Nor apparently, according to you, did anyone else at the NC.

    One another blog, on another post Neil, you said that you would not be quiet if you thought Respect was headed in the wrong direction. Well by your own admission you were quiet on this issue at the national council – the appropriate body to deliver ‘national support’ once defined – on an issue you consider to be a ‘huge mistake’. Yet having kept quiet at the meeting itself within hours you are denouncing the lack of support that you never defined to nor requested from the body the could have delivered it.

    Curiouser and curiouser indeed.

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  31. National support is giving national support. That didn’t happen. Its not curious its true.
    Agree with Adamski.
    btw there’s a PR article here on why its wrong to vote Green either.
    http://www.permanentrevolution.net/entry/2705

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  32. Bill on the PR site it says “With part of the left off on a nationalist binge with No2EU”.

    I got home this evening and honestly thought that the BNP had been round. That is not an exaggeration. The Labour euro campaign leaflet was a big union jack and something about more police. Now while in a formal sense what is on your site about the link with the unions and Labour is correct No2eu has some distance to travel before getting to be quite that chauvinist and in fact what discussion there has been has been to significantly moderate some of the worst early phrasing.

    However all this will be over in a couple of weeks and the important thing is how the experience is used as another step towards creating something beyond the Labour Party. If the discussion is conducted along the lines of “Utterly isolated and loathed by the rest of the left” and some of the tubthumping that have been part of this discussion it’s not promising. We all have a lot to be humble about in this debate.

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  33. I certainly agree with humility and not tubthumping. In my opinion, it would be good to not rush the process of trying to get something better than Labour but convene meeting up and down the country- perhaps starting with or at least including the convention of the left meetings in Brighton and Liverpool- to co-orinate and strengthen campaigns and for rank and file activists to debate and decide on policy, decide when and whether to stand and what candidates may be put forward.

    That seems fairly promising to me, don’t you think, Liam?

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  34. “National support is giving national support.”

    Thanks for that truism, Bill. But what does it mean in practice?

    I’m curious. The British left is great at demanding things. “we need a mass campaign” being the most favourite but very rather is it explained what that actually means in practice. How do you get it, who does what, etc? I think there is an onus on people who want something to explain the detail rather than just shout the slogan.

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  35. Well I think that national support might involve Respect members who are NO2EU candudates being given the opportunity to have articles in Respect’s paper, and on Respect’s web-site, and perhaps reproduced on the blogs that support Respect.

    All of the above have actually happened.

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  36. ‘“we need a mass campaign” being the most favourite but very rare is it explained what that actually means in practice. How do you get it, who does what, etc? I think there is an onus on people who want something to explain the detail rather than just shout the slogan.’

    That’s a fair point.

    None of us know all the answeres but most of us know some.

    Whether in a workplace or community it is a combination of organisation and adpatability. Lots of groundwork needs to be put in- persistent pateint work to build a union branch or an atni-racist or anti-privatisation campaign for example. We know it will be hard slog of months or may be years. But then suddenly an issue will emerge that sparks anger: such opportunites are valuable test cases.

    At this poiunt bold action needs to be proosed together with imaginative emotional propaganda- then all th epatient work can begin to take off and where we once had meetings of less than 10 we’re having meetings of hundred where ideas are discussed, voted on and acted on.

    One thing we can’t do is rush it all by just proclaiming a party or platform and expecting people to rush towards it. We need to revuild the workers’ movement and perhaps at particular junctures there may be an argument for holding big meetings on e.g. a workers’ alternative hosing a local militant who has led a strike, campaign or occupation deciding on program and policies democratically and using the lection to stand to support an exisitng struggle in the working class.

    Perhaps such opportunities will coincide with an election. But defiintely we need now in a time when bankers, capitalists, board room directors and MPs have been exposed as being a festering dung heap of corruption, when jobs are being massacred every day then we desperately and urgently need to begin to rebuild a working class cmapign of direct action and community mobilisation to save the jobs and stop our services being ripped off, cut and privatised.

    That- class struggle- is primary not elections.

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