“Brethren I would say from this platform today to any Orangeman who wants to attend acts or ceremonies of Roman Catholic worship like weddings or funerals – get out of the Orange Order.”

I though it worth reprinting this from the Newsletter, the voice of sensible loyalism. (Thanks John).

AHEAD of today’s Twelfth demonstrations, leading figures in the Orange Order have publicly clashed over attempts to modernise the traditional commemorations.

Speaking at the Rossnowlagh Twelfth parade on Saturday, Robert Saulters, the Grand Master of the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland, strongly defended efforts to re-brand the Twelfth as a carnival.

But, as Mr Saulters spoke in Donegal, a leading dissenter from the ‘Orangefest’ strategy, the Rev Stephen Dickinson, told a Twelfth demonstration in Airdrie that Protestant Reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin would be “ashamed and disgusted with some of the leadership that is being given today under the name of Orangeism and Protestantism”.

But, during his remarks in Rossnowlagh, Mr Saulters defended the Order’s approach: “Over the past three years this Institution has been reaching out to people who perhaps do not agree with our Protestantism.

“We have tried to make the day of celebration acceptable to as many people as possible and it is good to see visitors returning to our celebrations of culture.

“There are those within our own ranks who do not accept having floats or displays in a parade is the right way to go, but I support those who go to the trouble of broadening the appeal of the Twelfth.

“Grand Lodge does not organise Twelfth celebrations and we should not therefore interfere in a district or county making their own arrangements.”

But Mr Saulters also said that he was opposed to current attempts to repeal the Act of Settlement, which prevents a Catholic from becoming sovereign.

“Grand Lodges of England, Scotland and Ireland have been working closely to educate MPs at the highest level and even the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom seems to be unaware of which countries within the United Kingdom signed up to the Act of Union.”

Mr Saulters spoke warmly of how the Order had been received in the Republic of Ireland.

“It is amazing the reception we receive when visiting ministers or leaders of political parties here in the Republic of Ireland as the membership of our brethren who organised this magnificent celebration can confirm,” he said.

Referring to the formation of a new Orange Lodge on the Banks of the Boyne in May, he added: “We were all very thankful to the Garda for all their work in controlling traffic and generally looking after our security for that weekend.”

But in a ferocious attack on Orange leadership, Mr Dickinson told the Airdrie demonstration: “Today some Orange leaders and members are weak and are wanting to change the rules of the Institution – they want Orangemen to be able to attend the Roman Mass at weddings and funerals without being subject to discipline and expulsion.

“Such men should get out of the Orange Institution because they are only going to bring it down.

“Brethren I would say from this platform today to any Orangeman who wants to attend acts or ceremonies of Roman Catholic worship like weddings or funerals – get out of the Orange Order.

“You took a vow, you made a promise and if you aren’t prepared to keep it – get out – you’re no use to this Institution.”

The Rev Dickinson, a Presbyterian minister in Glenarm, also attacked Loyal Orders’ leaders for meeting Archbishop Sean Brady – “the representative of the Pope in Ireland”.

“They didn’t meet him to contend for truth against error, they didn’t meet him to present the claims of the Gospel of Christ to him – they met him as a publicity stunt.”

Meanwhile, DUP leader and First Minister Peter Robinson said this was a time of year when rank-and-file unionists think of “what unites us rather than what divides us”.

Mr Robinson told the News Letter: “Over the course of the last few weeks, I have attended a considerable number of public events including those organised by or for the loyal orders. The constant message that is coming back to me from grass-roots unionists is that they are fed up with unionists attacking each other.”

12 responses to “Get out of the Orange Order – youse liberals!”

  1. splinteredsunrise Avatar
    splinteredsunrise

    Good old Rev Dickinson. You can always rely on him to do the Super-Prod act.

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  2. decent interval Avatar
    decent interval

    I don’t see anything particularly wrong with this. He isn’t proposing violence or discrimination against Catholics, simply that believing Protestants should not attend Catholic services. Many strict confessions have similar rules, Wee Frees in Scotland or Orthodox Jews for example, it isn’t equivalent to bigotry. Indeed prior to Vatican II Catholics weren’t allowed to enter Protestant churches (remember how at Douglas Hyde’s funeral the entire Irish cabinet had to wait outside in the rain during the funeral service), and I know many who still won’t. By all means combat real discrimination and bigotry where you find it, but don’t demand of everybody that they should subscribe to some touchy feely Kumbaya singing powder puff version of religious belief in order to receive liberal absolution.

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  3. Decent Interval – no one can object if a group of religious believers tells its followers that the rest of humanity is destined to eternal hellfire. One of them might even be right. What makes the Orange Order distinctive is that it feels that it has the right to take over the streets and receive state protection for its parades and the orgy of sectarianism that accompanies them.

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  4. Foraging in the depths Avatar
    Foraging in the depths

    Actually, religious believers sometimes go out onto the high street and tell passersby that if they don’t listen to them, they will go to the bad fire. It’s not something they just tell their followers.

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  5. decent interval Avatar
    decent interval

    “What makes the Orange Order distinctive is that it feels that it has the right to take over the streets and receive state protection for its parades and the orgy of sectarianism that accompanies them”.
    Yes, but your focus here is not on that, but a statement of religious principle and internal organisational norms which is in itself unexceptionable.

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  6. Did anyone else get the feeling at the end of that article that Peter Robinson is really afraid of Jim Allister?

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  7. splinteredsunrise Avatar
    splinteredsunrise

    Sunny Jim seems to be having that effect on the DUP. Robbo sounded calm enough immediately after the Euro-election, but evidently panic at the grassroots is working its way up. This by-election in Ballymoney can’t be helping the jitters either.

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  8. Is this Airdrie in Scotland they are talking about, or is there another one in Ireland?

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  9. splinteredsunrise Avatar
    splinteredsunrise

    No, that would be Airdrie in Scotland. It’s a bit of an Orange citadel.

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  10. New developments :

    Critics form new Orange Order group

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Critics-form-new-Orange-Order.5462096.jp

    i agree with the comment above about the the DUP’s fear of Jim Allister’s Traditional Unionist Voice.

    Their common political goal is crystal clear – Allister wants a “voluntary coalition” government in Stormont – in other words, a return to Unionist majority rule.

    TUV got over 14% of the vote in the recent Euro-parliament poll – the question is ; will they repeat that result in the next Westminster general election?

    Allister himself intends contesting Noth Antrim, presently held by ian Paisley Senior.

    The British and Irish governments will then, probably, allow the power-sharing system to collapse and revert ot direct rule.

    Unless they allow a 21st cxentury repeat of the pre-1968 doomed experiment of a Protestant State for a Protestant People – I could be wrong, but i don’t think they would risk it.

    In the meantime efforts are under way to shore up the Stormont power-sharers with a mixture of coercion and kindness (bribes) –

    But the targerts of coercion may not co-operate, especially the rank andvfile of Sinn Féin.

    Things are stirring – see this article :

    http://www.irishnews.com/articles/540/5860/2009/7/15/622612_387645701545Aggressive.html

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  11. The Reverend Dickinson is the religious front for Jim Allister. Instead of attacking others he should look at his own heart and ask God to shower him in His love. The reverend should also look at his organisation that calls all members ‘brethern’ even though many are unsaved. Gives the title to some ‘Most Worshipful Master’ yet berates Catholic titles. Is sexist. Has physically attacked the security forces. Aligns itself with the heretical Black, Purple etc. He who is without sin Rev. Dickinson.

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  12. The Orange Order has undermined policing and justice for over 200 years. See my orangecitadel.blogspot.

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