Over at the SUN site there’s a lively debate going on about just how essential Sir Winston Churchill was to the victory of the British People’s Army against Nazism. It’s good to revisit controversial historical figures and see if the conventional wisdom that paints them in dull monochrome can be transformed into the vivid colours of real historical experience.

My contribution to the debate is The Prince William, Duke of Cumberland the victor of Culloden, a battle which he won in little more than an hour. That’s some going you’ll have to agree.

William Augustus, born in 1721 was the third son of George II and Caroline of Ansbach. He was created the Duke of Cumberland in 1726 and commanded the British, Hanoverian, Austrian and Dutch forces at the Battle of Fontenoy.

These days the only people who know much about him are the ones who chose to dwell on what they see as his nasty side. To judge a man’s life by the actions of a few days when he was only twenty five rather obscures both the span of his whole career and his more durable historical contribution to the creation of modern Britain.

Isn’t it rather one sided and narrow minded to focus on his order to execute the wounded on the field of battle after the fighting had ended or his, to our modern minds, harsh decision to deprive prisoners of food, water and medical aid? Ordering troops to commit acts of large scale rape and murder of a civilian population might not be how we like nation builders to behave but in the eighteenth century there was no Geneva Convention or Channel 4 News and they played by different rules.

There is so much on the plus side of His Grace the Duke of Cumberland. His victory allowed the destruction of feudalism in the Scottish Highlands. The barony courts were swept aside and every man and woman was entitled to the rights granted to them by Magna Carta. The tenants farmers and cotters no longer had to worry about being called into military service by a clan chief they had not been able to elect. Management of the land became much more efficient as long established practices were replaced with modern methods which allowed millions of people to be kept warm by sheep’s wool and dozens of others to accumulate the capital to develop the industry which made Scotland famous.

As if that was not enough you can still travel through parts of Scotland on the roads that the British People’s Army built to link the forts and barracks which still generate so much tourist traffic to this day. It’s easy to understand why, despite being given the sobriquet “Butcher Cumberland” by a handful of resentful begrudgers so many of his contemporaries nicknamed him “Sweet William”.

27 responses to “Reassessing The Prince William, Duke of Cumberland – nation builder”

  1. according to German Wikipedia, he (or better his horses) made an important contribution to the development of the English Thoroughbred

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  2. Well said Liam. Princess Fergie visited the estate where I work recently for a docu-drama. The community centre she established is actually in the next building to mine. Don’t you think all this mindless negativity is so cruel?

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  3. Well, that’s Progress for you – that hideous pagan idol, according to Marx, which drinks the nectar from the skulls of the slain. Although he looks pretty innocuous in the picture… It was also great that, after Culloden, Highlanders could now fight and die for a different set of unlected people. Even better, a lot of tenant farmers and cotters no longer had to worry about being… tenant farmers and cotters! The Clearances took care of that. True, the Clearances were usually carried out by clan chiefs – but these were modernising clan chiefs, following the latest maxims of Improvement. So that’s all right then, especially since some of the displaced people became members of the Scottish urban working class.

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  4. I’m glad to see that despite some other disagreements Liam’s blog has finally rejected trotskyite whinging and utopianism in lieu of a bracing and refreshingly un-pc worldview that will appeal to millions beyond the small groups of evil maniacs who don’t recognise the enourmous contributions of the no nonsense approach to politics embraced by all rightthinking people and epitomised above all by Joseph Stalin. Clearly once this is recognised the whole left will be swept along in a vast tide of enthusiasm. Could we have some t-shirts of the famous duke please?

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  5. You used our oppression as a cheap debating point.
    Cheeky c&%t.

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  6. I missed the Sun’s discussion of Churchill but someone, somewhere has clearly decided that we need to reassess the man. Max Hastings(?) ex Telegraph editor was interviewed prominently in the FT last week about Churchil and it makes interestign reading. And the New Statesmen had an advert for a big shiny debate about whether Winston was any good. Perhaps there are debates going on upstairs about our place in the world. Below is a letter from Sylvia Pankhurst describing Churchill’s welcome in Bristol in 1909:

    From ‘Shoulder to Shoulder’ – a documentary of the militant suffragette movement by Midge Mackenzie, Penguin 1975

    Sylvia Pankhurst: November 9th 1909

    ‘A few days later, on November 13, Mr Winston Churchill visited Bristol to speak at the Colston Hall. Miss Theresa Garnett, the woman who had been twice through the hunger-strike, and whom the Home Secretary had wrongly accused of biting, resolved to humiliate Mr Churchill, both as a member of the Government which preferred rather to imprison women than enfranchise them and to torture them rather than extend toward them the ordinary privileges of political prisoners; and also on his own account for his slippery and disingenuous statements in regards to the Votes for Women question.

    She therefore met the train by which he was arriving from London and found him on the platform in the midst of a large force of detectives who formed a semi-circle around him. She rushed straight forward, and the they either did not, or would not, see him coming, but the Cabinet Minister saw her, he paled and stood there as though petrified, only raising his arm to guard himself. She reached him and with a light riding switch, struck at him three times, saying, “Take that in the name of the insulted women of England.” At that he grappled with her, wrested the switch from her hand, and put it in his pocket. Then she was seized and dragged away to prison.

    She was charged with assaulting Mr Churchill, but eventually this charge was withdraw ( presumably because Mr Churchill knew he would be subpoenaed as a witness) and, on being accused of having disturbed the peace, was sentenced to one month’s imprisonment on refusing to be bound over.

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  7. Liam
    You forgot to mention that there were more “Scots” at Culloden that fought against the “cowardly Italian” than fought for him.

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  8. John Gray is of course right about that.

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  9. brilliant, just brilliant.

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  10. +1 on the brilliant. we like.

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  11. Will your next post be “NERO: Thank-you For The Music”?

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  12. Mark Victorystooge Avatar
    Mark Victorystooge

    Why Scots in inverted commas? Are they actually English, or something?
    The 1964 TV documentary “Culloden” noted that it was a civil war, and there could be brothers in each army fighting each other. Three of the 13 infantry battalions in Cumberland’s army were Scottish-raised, and there were some Scots even in English-raised regiments. There were also Highland militia on the Hanoverian side. It is impossible to know how many Scots were in Cumberland’s army. Whether there were actually more Scots in the Hanoverian army than in the Jacobite one at Culloden is doubtful, as apart from several hundred Irish troops in French service, the Jacobite army was almost entirely Scottish. Certainly Scots were a significant minority of Cumberland’s army, but exact figures are impossible to give. That it was not a straightforward Scots versus English battle is of course true.

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  13. Collins Encyclopaedia of Scotland (1994), edited by John Keay & Julia Keay:

    “Culloden will ever be more shrine than site for many Highland families; also for those nationalists misled by the cairn’s inscription crediting the Highlanders with fighting for Scotland as well as Prince Charlie. In fact, more Scots supported, and fought for, Cumberland.”

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    Mark Victorystooge

    Well, 15 (not 13) battalions of Hanoverian infantry fought at Culloden, and only the 21st, 25th and 64th were raised in Scotland. There were Scots in the other battalions, but how many is unclear. I doubt if there is a definite figure of how many Scots there were in Cumberland’s army. I have little doubt that more Scots bore arms for the Hanoverians overall. A number of battalions of Hanoverian militia or volunteers were formed in cities like Edinburgh. But these did not fight at Culloden, being used as garrisons, internal security etc. The original quote referred to those on the field at Culloden.
    Whether more Scots supported the Hanoverians is debatable, even if it says so in a reference work. After Culloden, a soldier in Cumberland’s army who suddenly declared that he supported the Jacobite cause was immediately court-martialled and hanged. We aren’t talking about freedom of speech here.

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  15. “We aren’t talking about freedom of speech here”

    This is exactly the kind of irresponsible, utopian, whinging ahistorical claptrap that makes the left unelectable. Every worker knows that the Jacobites were a reactionary bunch of feudals who deserved everything they got. All sensible people feel that Cumberland was far too soft. If only the left understood this they would be swept into office tommorrow.

    (NB. This is not a serious post).

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  16. Mark Victorystooge Avatar
    Mark Victorystooge

    Long after the Jacobite cause was effectively dead, Dr Johnson shocked Boswell by saying that if the country were fairly polled, the then king (Hanoverian George III) would be sent away today, and his adherents hanged tomorrow. He was probably referring to both Scotland and England. The whole saga illustrates the difference between passive support and active involvement. The Jacobite march into England was designed to pick up English support, but few declared for the Jacobites, whatever passive sympathy they might have had. Many of those who did, in Manchester, were formed into a regiment, were later captured and treated with special harshness after the Jacobite defeat, with many officers and NCOs being executed for treason.

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  17. I remember!

    Prebble, John. “Culloden”

    I think (can’t find link)

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  18. Mark Victorystooge Avatar
    Mark Victorystooge

    Prebble’s book is well-written ( I read it in school). Whether it is the last word on the history of the period, I don’t know.

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  19. This will throw the cat among the pigeons:

    http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=2667#startcontent

    nb note davidson’s distinction between the nectar from the skull and worshipping the skull in terms of always siding with the oppressed.

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  20. Mark Victorystooge Avatar
    Mark Victorystooge

    You don’t get nectar from skulls.

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  21. speak for yourself!!

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  22. Mark Victorystooge Avatar
    Mark Victorystooge

    You get nectar from plants.

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  23. …and of course the bees then take this nectar! I now understand … Jacobite AND Napoleon First Empire follower. All is explained.

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  24. I am no Jacobite!!!

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  25. Mark Victorystooge Avatar
    Mark Victorystooge

    “OH, NO! NOT THE BEES! NOT THE BEES! AAAAAHHHHH! OH, THEY’RE IN MY EYES! MY EYES! AAAAHHHHH! AAAAAGGHHH!” – Edward Malus (Nicholas Cage) “The Wicker Man” (2006)

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  26. typical that you would quote the re-make.

    sad.

    When will the left learn?

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  27. Mark Victorystooge Avatar
    Mark Victorystooge

    Conventional wisdom holds that the 1973 version is a cult classic while the later American version is a ghastly flop. But the left has to think outside the box, and reject conventional wisdom. The 1973 version fails to treat bees with the proper respect, while in the later version, Nicholas Cage in a bear costume is acting at its most tragic.

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