By virtue of not being at the planning meeting I ended up with the job of speaking for Socialist Resistance at yesterday’s event we organised with Green Left. Someone else can do a fuller assessment but there were lots of faces I’d never seen before and those who sat through the day were very positive about it at the end. All the sessions were recorded on video and will be available over the next several days.

Here’s a, more or less, verbatim record of what I said. If I were preparing the same speech today I would integrate the points that were made in the discussion about feminizing the movement and giving women’s role a more central place.

The opening gambit took quite a few participants by surprise but it worked.

I’d like to begin by doing something that speakers in a closing plenary session don’t usually do. I’m going to shut up for a minute or two. I would like you to turn to the person beside you and say what struck you most about today’s discussions. Was it something that you hadn’t known before? Was it a fresh insight on the tasks that face us? Was it something about the ways in which people organise?

There are serious reasons for that little exercise. The first is elementary pedagogy. You learn a lot more by talking, reflecting and doing than by passively listening. You’ve had to take in a lot of information today without necessarily getting a chance to process it. Giving you a little bit of time might help with that.

The second reason is bound up with the politics of the way we organised today’s event. We very deliberately set out to make it internationalist and pluralistic. As you will have seen it was a genuine collaboration between Socialist Resistance and the Green Left. Both of us brought something of our own approach. Neither side was interested in “poaching” a couple of the other’s members. I’m not privy to their inner secrets but I’m guessing that Green Left is not planning entry work in Respect anytime soon and we won’t be joining the Green Party either. It has been a genuine example of two currents who agree on the importance of ecosocialism working together.Nothing more and nothing less.

The result has been a better event than either of us could have pulled off left to our own devices. Being in separate organisations is a lot less important than agreeing on many aspects of the politics and the event today shows that it is possible to organise together around those parts of politics on which we have a shared understanding.

Learning needed

That’s significant because if we are to are to build a mass movement to successfully challenge the climate change that capitalism is creating those of us on the traditional Marxist left have to admit that we have a great deal to learn from those individuals and organisations which have taken the issue much more seriously than we have for a great deal longer than we have. We need to become as familiar with the science, the debates and what the possible solutions are as some in this room are with what to many people, er, most of the working class, are the arcane debates in the Bolsheviks before 1917. You don’t do that without listening to our guests from the Climate Camp, the Campaign Against Climate Change, Harcan Clearskies and the experiences of those for whom climate change is already a life or death in the global south.

Marxism was greatly enriched by the women’s movement. It has as much to learn from the environmental movement if it is to retain its relevance as an instrument for changing the world in the coming decades. If you have not realised that today you can’t really have been paying attention.

It also means that Marxists have to get away from the increasingly bizarre and unsustainable idea that integrating ecology in a meaningful way into political practice and programme is in some way a retreat from class politics motivated only by a desire to either recruit a tiny number of members of the Green Party or an abandonment of class struggle. In a very modest way Visteon and Vestas have shown us that an understanding of the link between capitalism and climate is penetrating the minds of workers who come into struggle.

Fragile understanding

This is a fact which confronts us with a dual problem.

The first is that we are still in a situation in which tiny disputes like Visteon and Vestas absorb the whole left’s attention because they are still so exceptional. All the evidence is that the working class in Britain is responding to the recession by accepting cuts or freezes in their pay, carnage to their pensions and working conditions. This current crisis of capitalism is being accepted almost as a natural phenomenon over which workers have no control.

The second is the fragility of the ecological understanding. Tony Woodley, top bureaucrat in Unite, took to the TV a few days ago saying that the British government really must do something about protecting the jobs of the car workers in Ellesmere Port. This rather throws open the question of just what Woodley thinks his job is but we can explore that point another time.

I learned a couple of days ago that, given the scale of world car output, if you parked all the cars being built today on all 6 lanes of the M4 from London to Bristol and back it would take you just 40 hours to fill the whole motorway. The next time you’re on a date and conversation is flagging you might want to drop that into the conversation.

Anyway the point is that Woodley could have said something along the lines of “there are already enough cars in Britain. Let’s use the skilled workers producing for a market that is saturated to make things that are socially useful and carbon neutral.” If I can put in a plug for the current issue of Socialist Resistance the Lucas workers came to that conclusion over thirty years ago. You can see what the man meant when he said “the world political situation as a whole is chiefly characterized by a historical crisis of the leadership of the proletariat”. Nothing much has changed.

Those of us who are supporters of Socialist Resistance are, by and large, also members of Respect. More than once we’ve all been asked why. The short version of the answer is that we are committed to building a mass class struggle party to the left of Labour and that we see Respect as a future component of that party. We know that Respect will be standing in next year’s general and local government elections in some parts of the country. Exactly where is still to be decided.

Elections plus

We also think that it is necessary to offer the largest possible electoral challenge to the three neo liberal variants that will be on offer. Not just that. In some parts of the country UKIP and the BNP will be offering the solutions of the far right to unemployment and poverty. Now we can relativise the importance of electoral politics all we like at but we cannot get away from the fact that in Britain, a country with a long established Labour Party, elections are still an important part of the way most people think about politics. Socialist Resistance supporters will be getting involved in a range of left electoral challenges across the country and the Green Pa
rty too will be standing. In some areas such as Tower Hamlets and Salma Yaqoob’s part of Birmingham it is obvious who the left challenge to New Labour is and it is reasonable to expect the left in those areas to support Respect candidates. In other parts of the country there will have to be a lot of discussion. In the European elections both Respect and Socialist Resistance called for a vote for Peter Cranie of the Green Party. No doubt our call for a vote for Labour’s John Mc Donnell will guarantee that he is certain to get re-elected next year.

One of the smaller things at stake in next year’s elections is the left’s ability to show that it can get its act together and begin to produce a coherent message to millions of people at election time. This message will be about defending public services, tax hikes for the rich and so on. It also needs to be making easily understood demands that connect with the environmental crisis. The Manchester campaign for free public transport can teach us something there. In Tower Hamlets and many more inner city areas the demand for environmentally sustainable public housing has to be part of any manifesto, along with so many of the idea that we’ve heard about today.

We will use our involvement in these elections to bring ecosocialist politics to a working class electorate. It’s a modest step but a necessary one. But election campaigns are short lived and even if you do get someone elected we all know that it doesn’t mean you have much clout when it comes to what they do and say later. It’s what you do with the election campaign that can make it important and we can use these upcoming elections as part of the process of building a mass movement against climate change. Those of you who don’t fancy getting involved in any the electoral initiatives can still organise hustings and local meetings, getting together a group of people locally who will get the climate into the broader discussion, using some of the concepts and solutions that you’ve heard about today.

Three parts

There are three essential parts to building a global movement to prevent catastrophic climate change.

At the moment its leadership is to be found in the global south. The people who die to prevent deforestation and strip mining.

We saw the second at the Climate Camp on Blackheath. These are the young people who have grasped that all the horrors that have been described today can happen in their lifetimes. They have no memory of past defeats and are irrepressible in developing new forms of political action. They are learning the power of organisation and the state is determined to teach them that it cannot be ignored..

The third is the organised working class.

Next year again the Campaign Against Climate Change will be organising its third conference. It is likely to be pretty upbeat, uplifted by the example of the Vestas struggle. We have to make sure that next year’s is the largest ever. The union movement cannot just allow the debate to be dominated by greenwashers, Woodley, Mandelson and Milliband.

Ecosocialists need not just to start organising delegations to Copenhagen from their union branches, though that has to happen too. At every level in the labour movement we have to begin fighting to win not just handfuls or dozens but millions of people to an understanding of the need to offer a working class ecological solution to climate change.

This is the class which produces. It is the only social force which is capable of creating a response to catastrophic climate change which benefits the overwhelming majority of humanity. It is the working class on which we have to rely and it is among that class and its organisations that we have to make our programme its common sense.

43 responses to “Making our programme common sense for millions”

  1. I really like this piece sir. I dont think there is enough emphasis being put on the pressures that the working class is under between, (to put it simplistically) making money and coming under increased strain of environmental issues.
    It seems all the more evident in light of the economic situation that something has got to give, the working class cant be put under these stresses forever surely.
    I completely agree that the true power lies in these people, does it ever baffle you that a common sense strategy hasnt been put in place to counter this? It baffles me.
    then the liberals scream that the social care system does this, i disagree wholeheartedly, what do you think to it?

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    Good talk, sums up the issue well. By the way, congrats on making the top 100 Labour blogs. 🙂

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  3. Thanks.

    Labour???

    Drake – I’m a bit knackered but I’ll get back to your point in a day or so.

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  4. Cor blimey – it’s true Liam. You’re number 34 in the top 100 Labour blogs, as voted by readers of Total Politics:
    http://www.totalpolitics.com/blogs/index.php/2009/09/11/top-100-labour-blogs.

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  5. […] can work together.We are mobilising for the Vestas day of action on 17th September. This is from Liam’s closing speech….all inspiring stuff and the basis for more practical action.’Next year again the […]

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  6. Great event yesterday….excellent to organise events between different groups in a non sectarian way.

    Had the red rigor with a solid political stress on revolutionary politics to save the environment and some nice green touches which made it a bit more user friendly than some left events!

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  7. As if it’s not bad enough being labelled a “Labour” blog look at some of the company this site’s lumped in with!

    Frank Field
    LORD Toby Harris
    Alistair Campbell
    David Milliband (about whom I was less than flattering in the video version of the above speech)

    Include me out!

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  8. Hi comrades,
    A report/critique here:
    http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2009/09/13/two-souls-ecosocialism-report-climate-and-capitalism-conference
    (We couldn’t stay past 1pm, I’m afraid.)

    The report deals with the politics. On the organisation:

    Well done on organising the event, but I do want to query the idea that it was terribly non-sectarian and inclusive. There is a campaign, Workers’ Climate Action, which has played a big role in two of the struggles/movements which Liam’s speech puts emphasis on – Climate Camp and Vestas. Yet WCA was not invited to speak, and was rejected when it offered. (I understand the PR speaker, Helen Ward, plugged WCA in her speech.)

    You could see the contradictions here in the fact that a) no Vestas speaker (which WCA could probably have sorted fairly easily) as far as I can see and b) the Climate Camp speaker you invited is *not* from the left/class-struggle wing of Climate Camp at all! In other words, a Climate Camper was invited as a token, with no attempt to understand or engage the developments actually going on within that movement.

    The WCA conference is on 10 October. Hope to see you there:
    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/event.php?eid=160377698355&ref=ts

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  9. Given the structure of the event, the fact it was overwhelmingly a gathering of those from a Marxist tradition and the nature of Ian Angus’ talk , Sacha’s criticism of him for not addressing the centrality of the working class, is weak and forced…

    There does not appear to be any input from the other two AWL comrades in Sacha’s report but I do wonder if, had one of them written it, having attended the workshop on alternatives to the market, or on the economic crisis, they might have noted that Ian did not mention those themes either in his opening remarks. Perhaps they then would have drawn the conclusion that there is a major rift either within SR, or between SR and Green Left, on these issues too.

    As for the WCA, I had never even heard of it until I saw Sacha’s leaflet on Saturday. There are lots of campaigns around about climate change at the moment, some are more credible than others, but at a GL / SR event you have to forgive us if we give priority to campaigns with which our supporters already have some engagement (ie Campaign Against Climate Change). That would not, of course, preclude future collaboration with the WCA on areas where we had substantial agreement…

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  10. Hi Rob,

    My criticism is weak and forced? I don’t think so. And in fact, some “in the Marxist tradition”, eg Joel Kovel, are quite explicit about no longer seeing the working class as the key agency for creating socialism.
    For a more substantial critique of Ian Angus’ book, see
    http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2009/09/09/who-will-win-green-socialism-workers-or-vague-alliance

    I believe my two comrades are planning to post additions. From what they said, I don’t believe that will fundamentally redirect the flow of our critique.

    You’d never heard of WCA? Well, that may well be because your comrades
    a) Haven’t been involved at Vestas to any great extent; and
    b) Haven’t been involved at Climate Camp, where this year for the second time WCA organised a number of workshops and was central to organising around a class-struggle agenda (including the Vestas solidarity work), to any great extent.

    WCA offered a speaker and was turned down. We were told there would be a Vestas speaker, and there wasn’t. We were told, as justification, that there would be a Climate Camp (which you are not, btw, particularly engaged in) speaker, and instead of inviting someone from the left-wing of Climate Camp, you invite someone who, while I’m sure a good activist, has not been involved in class-oriented or anti-capitalist activity at all. Why? Because inviting someone from the left of Climate Camp would probably have meant inviting… WCA.

    This sounds more negative than I want to be. Congratulations on organising th event and it would be good to collaborate in future. But I think the criticisms are substantial.

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  11. Furthermore:

    1. I’m not claiming there’s a “major rift” in SR. Rather I’m claiming that parts of the FI are a “swamp” (the phrase is Bebel/Luxemburg’s) in which political differences are not clarified or developed but covered up or even gloried in.

    2. Working-class agency is not a ‘side issue’ which can be developed in a workshop. It is the basic material of any socialist approach to this, or any other question. The total omission of it from comrade Angus’ speech is therefore teling.

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  12. Lastly, on the implication that WCA is not credible. And yet – this is universally acknowledge – its activists initiated the Vestas struggle…
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2009/jul/24/wind-turbine-factory-protest

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  13. Sacha – there was supposed to be a Vestas worker. I don’t know why we didn’t have one on the day.

    Our sense is that WCA is a wholly owned AWL subsidiary. Being dominated by a left group will not prevent it from often doing pieces of first class work as seems to have been the case in Vestas. However the Campaign Against Climate Change is the central one and everything that WCA has done around Vestas could have been done through CACC.

    CACC is just about to start planning its third trade union conference. We are heavily involved in that and CACC has also done a lot of work around Vestas.

    The basic difference on this point is methodological. The British left has a custom of building tightly controlled campaign groups which are also recruitment tools. This is a method we explicitly reject.

    Finally, offering an assessment of a conference only having participated in a fraction of it is slightly ambitious. Ian’s introduction was deliberately a global overview. Most of us were able to draw the conclusion that by making the connection between capitalism and climate change the idea of working class agency was central. It certainly emerged as a running theme in all the discussions..

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  14. Hi Liam,

    > Sacha – there was supposed to be a Vestas worker. I don’t know why we didn’t have one on the day.

    Fair enough. One difficulty is that a number of Vestas workers are at the TUC Congress this week. But I would make the point that others on the left have been involved – or much more consistently involved – at Vestas, and might have been able to sort it out.

    > Our sense is that WCA is a wholly owned AWL subsidiary. Being dominated by a left group will not prevent it from often doing pieces of first class work as seems to have been the case in Vestas. However the Campaign Against Climate Change is the central one and everything that WCA has done around Vestas could have been done through CACC.

    WCA is far from a wholly owned AWL subsidiary. In fact, when it was set up, despite the involvement of our members, none of our committees knew anything about it! As for the CaCC, that’s fine, we also support it, but WCA has a much more specific and far sharper class focus. The difference was seen at the CaCC TU conference the year before last, when your comrades cooperated with the SWP and greens to prevent WCA motions even being discussed/voted on.

    I think basically the dominant forces in the main CaCC see stuff about workers-led just transition as fine for rallying the troops, rhetoric etc, but do not want the campaign as a whole to get too radical. Hence the role of WCA.

    I’d also point out that CaCC, like yourselves, has played no role at Climate Camp. Once again, unlike WCA. (A brilliant example of the problem with your approach is that, knowing very little about Climate Camp, you invited someone who is not from the left-wing milieux within it.)

    In any case, this is all highly disingenuous. Who has argued that you shouldn’t have invited CaCC? That’s not the dispute.

    > CACC is just about to start planning its third trade union conference. We are heavily involved in that and CACC has also done a lot of work around Vestas.

    Well, mainly the SWP wearing a CaCC hat. That’s fine. CaCC and WCA cooperate. What’s the problem with that?

    > The basic difference on this point is methodological. The British left has a custom of building tightly controlled campaign groups which are also recruitment tools. This is a method we explicitly reject.

    I’m tempted to say perhaps that’s why you don’t recruit, but in fact WCA is NOT a tightly controlled front group.

    > Finally, offering an assessment of a conference only having participated in a fraction of it is slightly ambitious. Ian’s introduction was deliberately a global overview.

    So it’s fine to ignore the working class and class struggle?

    > Most of us were able to draw the conclusion that by making the connection between capitalism and climate change the idea of working class agency was central.

    That may be what you wanted to hear. But it’s not what is argued in eg his book; and Kovel and others quite explicitly reject it.
    Anti-capitalism is a necessary component of working-class socialism but there is no = sign. It is possible to have a woolly populist anti-capitalist that is generally progressive but not sharply class-focused. The job of socialists is to sharpen the focus.

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  15. Also, let’s say – for the sake of argument – that WCA is a wholly owned subsidiary of AWL. You invited Permanent Revolution, who have produced some good articles but not been nearly as active in environmental movements as we have.

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  16. You’re right Liam the WCA is owned by the AWL, I’m not sure where the sake of argument comes into it.

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  17. Throughly enjoyed the event. The Green Left are much different from up in Scotland and I can see why SR is keen to link up with them in joint work. Will give a very encouraging report back to Scotalnd and push Copenhagen and affiliation to the Trude Union campaign against climate change. Good to see comrades old and new. Socialist Green Greetings. Raphie

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  18. Hi Bill,

    My understanding is that Permanent Revolution supports WCA; certainly your comrade Helen Ward plugged it at the conference. It’s not true that it’s owned by AWL; but in any case you’re out of line with your group’s position. Good luck in changing it!

    Sacha

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  19. The whole of the Left needs to come together in solidarity with the Vestas workers and seriously discuss the New Green Deal and their ideas around a worker led red green transition / transformation.

    At present there seems to be a healthy momentum gathering and large number of intiatives going on despite of and inspite of eachother as the Copenhagen UN climate change summit looms on the horizon.

    If we cant unite and coordinate our actions then we simply duplicate our efforts,waste huge time and energy and continue to alienate many interested people by ever more sectarian squabbling and point scoring which is all to easy for the presently existing disparate and fractured Left to descend into.

    Lets build trust and learn to respect our differences and learn to be tolerant and actually listen to eachother but find out what we actually agree on for christ’s sake!

    What we say and how we say it just as what we say and dont say makes a huge difference.

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  20. Incidentally this year is the 175th Anniversary of the birth of William Morris

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  21. Donkey,

    Yes, “the whole of the left needs to come together in solidarity with the Vestas workers and seriously discuss… ideas… unite and coordinate our efforts”. That’s fine. I’m wholeheartedly in favour of that. However:

    1. The reality is that the forces that organised this conference have not been much in evidence at Vestas, in Climate Camp etc. This is not condemnation; I realise we all have limited resources and are involved in different things; but a little humility would be welcome.

    2. The approach you rightly suggest is not aided by a totally sectarian refusal to work, discuss with etc a group like WCA that, like it or not, has played an important role. Thus at the conference we have numerous SR speakers, a PR speaker, a speaker from Climate Camp who is not particularly of the left and has not been involved in developing a class-struggle approach in that milieu… and yet WCA is not invited.

    Some articles on William Morris
    http://www.workersliberty.org/blogs/paulhampton/2008/03/12/1-william-morris-%E2%80%93-marxist-our-time

    Critique of the Green New Deal
    http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2008/12/04/what%E2%80%99s-wrong-green-%E2%80%9Cnew-deal%E2%80%9D

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  22. My group doesn’t have a line on the WCA. People are entitled to express their own opinion. Helen can tell it how she sees it. I can tell it how I see it.
    The way I see it is that its just another AWL front like feminist fightback – or socialists for Zionist wars – or whatever you call your pro-Israeli front.
    Why would we “support” it? There’s nothing to support from what I can see. Certainly some of its supporters did some good work around Vestas. Well done.
    As for the climate camp our supporters are very involved in it. But sure enough, they don’t think advertising their group is the main priority of their work. I suppose that’s another “difference” with you isn’t it?

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  23. Sorry, I must have got the wrong end of the stick. Certainly PR supporters were at a recent Workers’ Climate Action meeting @ the RMT HQ (25 people there, only six of them AWL) and gave the strong impression of supporting the campaign.

    What do you mean there’s nothing to support? The work at Vestas. The consistent work in Climate Camp (sorry, which of your supporters have been active in it? And doing what?) The consistent promotion of working-class anti-capitalist ideas of how to fight climate change and environmental degradation.

    Sad sectarianism.

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  24. Btw, someone asked, why can’t everything be done through the CaCC. Well, one small example of the political character of the CaCC (which I’m not counterposing WCA to at all, btw). Go to the website and click “About us” – you’ll find a quotation from the campaign’s honorary president, George Monbiot, a man who wants to see car factories go out of business and car workers thrown on the scrap heap to save the environment.
    We need to build a left, class-struggle pole in the environmental movement. One way of doing that is the CaCC TU group. Another is WCA.

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  25. Oh dear Sacha- you’ve over-reached yourself now. i just looked up the Monbiot quote on the CaCC site. This is it in full:
    “”Climate change is perhaps the gravest calamity our species has ever encountered. Its impact dwarfs that of any war, any plague, any famine we have confronted so far. It makes genocide and ethnic cleansing look like sideshows at the circus of human suffering.”

    “We need to put climate change right at the top of the political agenda — it is by far the biggest threat to humanity. We have to turn this into the primary political campaign. That means keeping on the streets, keeping up the demonstrations and putting an enormous amount of pressure on our politicians.”

    Nothing about car factories let alone throwing workers on the scrap heap.

    Now, I am in favour of phasing out car factories. The workers involved in car production should be involved in producing alternatives. Unless you can find a direct quote from Monbiot saying that anyone who ever worked in a car factory should be refused re-employment in any industry, ever, or even that he is opposed to the creation of green jobs, then you should go off and hawk your sectarian idiocies elsewhere.

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  26. I would recommend Rob’s excellent article on the Lucas plan in Socialist Resistance.

    I also feel that we need to be supporting Jerry Hicks, he has made ecosocialist concerns central to his work…excellent that Liam has blogged his speech.

    It would be great if the WCA could also get stuck into work in support of Jerry.

    Conversion is the key issue, we need to shift from car production and weapons manufacture to renewables…which is why Rob’s article is so important.

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  27. Well that told me. I’ll add it to the list of my crimes.

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  28. We are back to this methodology point. “25 people there, only six of them AWL”.

    That’s effectively 1 in 4 who can be guaranteed to vote the same way, will have a line they want to win, who will swivel the discussion around their arguments and will be working out who to recruit.

    That’s how you build propaganda groups, not mass campaigns. Thanks but no thanks.

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  29. Hi Bill, Didn’t quite get that last point. Were you replying to Sacha, me, Derek or your inner Demon?

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  30. And how many were SR supporters at your “non-sectarian” conference, Liam?

    Rob, oh dear, oh dear.
    “Nothing about car factories let alone throwing workers on the scrap heap.”
    “Now, I am in favour of phasing out car factories. The workers involved in car production should be involved in producing alternatives. Unless you can find a direct quote from Monbiot saying that anyone who ever worked in a car factory should be refused re-employment in any industry, ever, or even that he is opposed to the creation of green jobs, then you should go off and hawk your sectarian idiocies elsewhere.”

    I never claimed that Monbiot talked about scrapping car factories in the quote on the website. I said that was his stated position.

    Yes, I know about the concept of ‘alternative production’, thanks. It’s absolutely ludicrous – but typical of SR’s crawling to the right-wing of the CaCC approach – that you try to claim that Monbiot is in favour of such a worker-led transition to sustainable industry. Don’t be ridiculous. In fact, at the ‘alternative production’ workshop at your conference, someone (possibly Lars Henriksson, don’t remember) cited Monbiot as an example of the green ‘let the jobs go’ position.

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  31. Does make you wonder what Sacha’s socialist demand is on cars? Every worker must have one? Six billion cars in the world and the roads to drive them on. Now there’s a socialist utopia to dwell on.

    If Sacha seriously thought about climate change he might realise that we will need to phase out most car factories and replace them with bus and coach factories (and no doubt keep a few factories for electric cars). And horrors, we will have to phase out a lot of the aircraft industry as well and replace them with rail industries – I think that’s called alternative production, but then Sacha thinks that is “ludricous”.

    Clearly Workers Climate Action needs to do some education with Sacha to bring him up to speed on what socialists argue in relation to transport and climate change.

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  32. I didn’t say Monbiot is explicitly in favour of a worker-led transition to sustainable industry. However, I have no evidence that he isn’t or that he could not be persuaded to back such initiatives and he is a backer of CaCC which does call for a million green jobs by the end of 2010!

    Certainly no basis here for setting up a rival to CaCC.

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  33. Of course, without the socialist transition there can be no real serious talk about saving the planet. We can say what a more rational economy would do and must say so and certainly car production would not feature anywhere like it does now but in the meantime we should unconditionally support car workers in their struggle to defend their jobs and factories. For them, and of course under capitalism they are right, it is a matter of life and death. Survival or the scrap heap.

    Nobody should use environmental arguements to turn their backs on workers in struggle and I don’t think anyone here is anymore than sanctioning bourgeois arguements about what is or is not economically `viable’.

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  34. Sasha seems to be obsessed with sectarianism. Of course its everyone elses sectarianism. He could never be accused of that you understand.
    Just to add on car production, it has now surpassed its peaks of last year, so much for the Green New Deal.

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  35. Sacha’s note is really amusing: he and the other people from WCA could not have stayed long enough to attend the workshop on green jobs (the speakers at which included ecosocialists who’d been part of the Vestas demonstrations), but it’s supposed to be sectarian that they were not invited. Hilarious.

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  36. I see from today’s Financial Times that a big battle is brewing over state bailout’s to save the GM European car plants. This struggle incorporates many facets: the future of the EC, the use of state aid as a form of protectionism, the future of the car industry, Peter Mandelson, trans-national capital holding bidding wars between nation states, the relationship between Germany and Russia. Mandelson is appealing for the rule of the market to transcend state policy – though this arguement is possibly undermined by the state transcending market relations to save the banks. He appeals to EU commission competition rules – but the EU also requires euro members to have budget deficits less than 40% GDP – which none now have. An example of the currently dangerous hiatus in the ideology of the ruling class.

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  37. It’s good to know that having had members go to the Isle of Wight, take part in the Vestas Solidarity Groups and the planning of the National Day of Action for Vestas, be involved in CaCC and be part of the sessions at Climate Camp – with a stance of solidarity and co-operation rather than advertising our respective organisations – we are the sectarians. Had anyone from WCA attended the Green Jobs session, which focused on Vestas among other issues, they would have heard that a Vestas speaker had been invited but unfortunately none could attend.

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  38. […] flavour of the day, which was organised by Green Left and Socialist Resistance. Ian Angus, Liam MacUaid and Derek Wall have all blogged about the […]

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