Have you ever had that experience of looking at something everyone thinks is dead brilliant and not understanding what all the fuss is about? Football and Strictly Come Dancing would be two examples for me. It was the same with Barack Obama. In the days just before and just after his election it was if everyone else on earth had joined some cult and I hadn’t been invited. In fact I was scolded by several people who took umbrage at a decision to have Obama on the front cover of Socialist Resistance with the strapline “Palestinian blood on his hands”. One remarked “you couldn’t sell that outside Brixton tube”, something no one had any intention of trying to do.

It did not require any special prophetic powers to work out that if someone get elected as head of state of a huge imperial power with “commander in chief of the armed forces” as part of the job description that there was a fair chance he might go in for a bit of war fighting. While I appreciate that a lot of Obama’s electoral base and people who persuaded themselves that by not being  George Bush he might herald a new age of prosperity, demilitarisation and anti-imperialism it was never a plausible thesis. He is really socking to his the anti-war activists who helped get him elected by sending another 30 000 troops to Afghanistan. Since taking office he has doubled the number of United States troops there.

In a marginally more sophisticated version of the September 11 / Iraq / Afghanistan link that Bush used to bang on about he rummaged in his sock drawer for the old united national purpose chestnut: “It is easy to forget that when this war began, we were united–bound together by the fresh memory of a horrific attack, and by the determination to defend our homeland and the values we hold dear. I refuse to accept the notion that we cannot summon that unity again. I believe with every fibre of my being that we–as Americans–can still come together behind a common purpose.”

How unexpected was that?

29 responses to “Whatever happened to that nice Mr Obama?”

  1. You are asuming that those of us on the left who supported Obama’s election are suprised and disappointed.

    Have you any evidence of that?

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  2. Well if you’re not surprised or disappointed why did you support him?

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  3. Well Andy if you talk to people on the American left they attribute the demobilisation of the anti-war movement there to the Obama effect. A lot of those to the left of the Democrats were pretty delusional about what he represented. Naturally this disappointment won’t be as great outside the US but it’s a useful reminder of why you should remain critical of organisations like the Democrats.

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  4. I don’t agree with that Liam. Whilst it might have been true of a lot it wasn’t true of all who supported the election of Obama.

    The election of a left liberal black president in America must rank as the greatest cultural and political event in that country since the Civil War. You didn’t have to be uncritical of him or his politics not to see that and support his election. Unfortunately many of the sects not just took a neutral stance but were so venal about Obama that it made it impossible for the left to have any kind of conversation with his base and his supporters. Imagine had Lenin’s April thesis consisted of a critique of the February Revolution that called for the re-throning of the Tsar because his overthrow did not represent a proper revolution! Or perhaps if the Bolsheviks has thrown a cordon of its supporters around the Tsar’s palace in February to protect him against the misguided and deluded people.

    Yes, Lenin realised instantly that those that the February revolution had thrown up would quickly hand power back to the old feudal apparatchicks as soon as they could but he didn’t go around saying I told you the February Revolution was crap. Instead he called for the defence of that revolution and its deepening and consumation which occurred in October.

    Now this is only an analogy but Obama’s election was a momentus event. The back lash against this `revolution’ is gaining and yes we must expose how the left democrats are capitulating to that backlash and even supporting it in many aspects but it needs to be done with a clear understanding that Obama’s defeat either on the streets or in an election in four or eight years time by the right as opposed to the left will result in one of the most virulently dangerous counter-revolutionary governments around. As usual a programme of transitional demands and a strategy for forming united fronts for specific ends must be worked out.

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  5. You can recognise Obama’s election means all sorts of things. That doesn’t mean you should have supported his campaign however. Working class independence should be more than a phrase.
    One can prefer – I would – the election of a Tory/Liberal/Green or whatever – instead of a fascist, but that doesn’t mean I would support voting Tory/Liberal/Green or whatever.
    Tactics need to flow from principles, not from sticking your finger in the air and developing some other rationale.

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  6. billj: once again you prefer abstract correctness to making a connection. There is no way that radical socialists are going to make connections with Tories, Liberals etc by pandering to them however Obama’s oppressed constituency is a different thing. Without them there is nothing unless you just want to wait for it all to come to you.

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  7. Once again you ditch principles for tactics.See nothing ever really changes does it?

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  8. which principles have I ditched?

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  9. billj has it spot on with supporting candidates vs principles.

    I think it would have been possible -but wrong- to critically call for a vote for Obama- and to have argued as such.

    But people like Andy Newman, and now it seems- surprisingly David Ellis- turn this back to front and demand that everyone uncritically support whoever their chosen candidate is, and denounce all those that would argue against such support as being ultra-lefts. Obama and Livingstone are perfect examples of this.

    ABUSE DELETED – LIAM

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  10. Not quite sure why David Ellis thinks Obama is a left liberal – he declared he was going to increase troops to Afghanistan before his election, rolled over on health care after it, and has done absolutely nothing to alleviate poverty and unemployment since he came in, especially amongst black people. Indeed Lyndon Johnson did more with his Great Society, and he was no left liberal either.

    If Dave has talked to anyone in the States since the election he would know that the large scale, young activist network around the vote Obama campaign dissipated quite quickly post election because the Democrats and Obama had no use for it. And how would David’s conversation with this base have gone? “Wow, this is the most momentous event in US history!”

    Saying “The election of a left liberal black president in America must rank as the greatest cultural and political event in that country since the Civil War. ” is a bit like saying the election of a woman prime minister in Britain was the greatest cultural and political event since the English revolution. I think not. Class is always more important than color or gender.

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  11. Martin Ohr: and I should take lessons from someone who is so ultra left and so consumed by the cult of which they are one of the priests they end up supporting Zionism and rationalising the slaughter in Gaza? I love the way you just casually lie. Where did I say anything about uncritical support? ABUSE DELETED – LIAM

    Stuart: it is not like saying anything of the sort because I premised what I said with `a left liberal black president’ not just any old black president. Not some republican front man.

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  12. David: “ultra-left…cult..priests..zionism..rationalising slaughter…vile…branded”, erm get a grip comrade. Perhaps you could discuss politics instead of playground name calling.

    I’m genuinely surpised at your neo-euro-communist take on the Obama election that it is akin to a revolution which needs defending. It is nothing of the sort. A basic strand of Marxism is to call things by their proper names; not to pretend that the election of another right-wing democrat is some of gain that needs defending.

    I think Stuart’s analogy with Thatcher is a good one; it’s clearly true that women in britiain where much worse off at the end of thatchers reign than at the start. Most socialists in the US expect everyone to be much worse of at the end of Obama’s term than at the beginning.

    Stuart is only part-right about class being more important than race or gender. It’s class and agency that count if you want to change the world, not sowing illusions in shit-bag millionaire presidents.

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  13. DELETED – LIAM

    If I was sowing illusions I’d have made an analogy with October and not February. You are incapable of discussing with. Your brain is adled by cultism and the desire to nuke Iran.

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  14. David: “You are incapable of discussing with. Your brain is adled by cultism and the desire to nuke Iran” I really have no idea what you are talking about. I can only presume that you are projecting your own fantasies onto me.

    Your list of my thought-crimes simply confirms that DELETED – LIAM.

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  15. Martin Ohr:

    “This flows logically from Newman’s turn via stalinism to national socialism through his worship of Galloway.”

    I thought Liam didn’t tolerate personal abuse, or is this supposed to be “political”??

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  16. Christ! You leave the house for a few hours to go to a demo and return to a load of name calling.

    The abuse rule still holds and if people want to trade insults they can set up their own site or sort it out in the pub car park.

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  17. Andy, it’s not personal abuse it’s an accurate description of your politics -in my opinion. I realise that censorship is your modus operandi, but just for once you could indulge in debate.

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  18. Martin Ohr did I hear you right? Did you just call Andy Newman a Nazi on the basis that he supports George Galloway? And did I just hear you try and claim this was’nt abuse but a reasoned argument?

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  19. Martin, you can either retract the Nazi remark or join the banned list. Most other people have no difficulty telling the difference between a BNP and a Respect supporter and I’ll not provide a forum for defamation of that sort.

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  20. Liam, tricky to retract something you’ve already deleted. But for the record I didn’t call Andy Newman a Nazi. I don’t think he is a fascist of any sort. (SILLY, POINTLESS REMARK DELETED – LIAM)

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  21. I seem to remember the CPGB / Weekly Worker used to use the term ‘national socialist’, perhaps they stiill do.

    I always thought this stupidly provocative when the users of that term said they didn’t mean to imply Nazi-ism, but obviously knew the resonance of the term ‘national socialist’.

    No doubt there is an escape route.

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  22. (SILLY, POINTLESS REMARK DELETED – LIAM)

    Liam you’ll have a much bigger job on censoring ‘silly, pointless’ remarks- where do you even start?

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  23. Ohr: clearly you are here as a disruptive sectarian mischief maker and not for honest debate. Didn’t the AWL support a vote for Obama at the time of the election?

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  24. “Didn’t the AWL support a vote for Obama at the time of the election?”

    erm no: http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2008/07/04/why-left-should-not-back-obama

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  25. Thank god for that. If I’d ever knowingly held a position remotely similar to one of yours I think I’d have to top myself.

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  26. I think that this exchange can end here

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  27. David Ellis, on December 7th, 2009 at 1:42 pm Said:
    “Thank god for that. If I’d ever knowingly held a position remotely similar to one of yours I think I’d have to top myself.”

    grow up

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    Yes, I remember “national socialism” in WW. A lot of their actions and style carry that light whiff of provocation.
    Of course, they’re not the only ones. Like AWL waving an Israeli flag while fire and death rained on Gaza, and pretending to be surprised and outraged when this was not tolerated.

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  29. Dead right. And that’s a lot worse of course than the feeble literary provocations of the WW.

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