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If we take it as a given that the Israeli state is an apartheid colonial state based on the dispossession of the Palestinians -and we do – the question arises of how to provide the most effective solidarity to those oppressed by that state. The international campaign for boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) against Israel is a movement with growing international support, not least because it has the backing of  the Palestinian General Federation of Trade Unions, the General Union of Palestinian Teachers, the Federation of Unions of Palestinian University Professors and Employees, the Palestinian Engineers’ Association, the Palestinian Lawyers’ Association and a total of 170 organisations representing Palestinians living under Israeli occupation and Palestinian citizens of the Israeli state.

 Socialist Appeal/the IMT have come out in opposition to BDS asserting that “this campaign does nothing to weaken Israeli imperialism and in fact pushes Israeli workers and youth into the arms of imperialists”. In fact they go a bit further and  make the true but one-sided observation that  " not a single Palestinian family has ever been saved from having their house knocked down thanks to a letter to the Toronto Star or the Montreal Gazette.”

The main elements of Isa Al-Jaza’iri and Alex Grant’s rejection of BDS are that:

  • It takes the approach that the Israeli state is one monolithic reactionary bloc
  • The class struggle inside the Israeli state brings together Palestinian and Israeli workers and is the principal threat to Zionism, the ideology that the state uses to divide the working class.
  • BDS plays to the Zionist myth that the Israeli state is being isolated because it is Jewish.
  • A labour movement campaign of targeted sanctions would be more effective.

There is no doubt of the authors’ unconditional support for the Palestinian people but their approach is strongly in line with the economism of the Militant tradition with an occasional lapse into  fantasy. Writing of the Intifada the authors say “The Israeli capitalists’ worst fears were that Israeli workers would make the connection between cuts to their wages and services, and to the attacks on the Palestinian masses. “ The hypothesis seems to be that a a group of people who materially benefit from the national oppression of the Palestinians would suddenly conclude that the entire ideology of their state was wrong simply because the local clinic was closed down or they’d had to take a pay freeze. In the absence of a mass working class party which was anti-Zionist and offered the perspective of a different sort of state in the territory that is a very implausible outcome.

The rather abstract theoretical basis for this approach is “ that the Israeli working class – objectively speaking – has absolutely no interest in oppressing the Palestinian masses”. It all depends on what you mean by “objective”. Housing in Israeli cities is very expensive. You can get a European standard home pretty cheaply in the settlements with first world amenities and don’t need to come into any contact at all with the Palestinians who have been displaced into open air prison camps. Being determines consciousness.

imagePart of Israeli mass consciousness is that they are a European style liberal democracy. One of the big positive impacts of the BDS campaign is that it is starting to shift that perception. It is impossible to sustain this facade if produce from the country is being boycotted across the world as a direct reaction to the dispossession, mass murder and cultural strangling of the Palestinians. This point was understood by the Israeli financial daily, The Marker, which said of the siege of Gaza “the horrific images on TV and the statements of politicians in Europe and Turkey are changing the behaviour of consumers, businessmen and potential investors. Many European consumers boycott Israeli products in practice.” The economic and political isolation which follows mass action like this abroad are much more likely to cause Israeli workers to reflect on the state that they are living in than a revelation of the intimate bond between cuts in social provision and the oppression of Palestinians.

  There are two aspects of the strength of BDS that Isa Al-Jaza’iri and Alex Grant gravely underestimate. The first is its power as an instrument to build a mass solidarity movement with the Palestinian people. Only tiny numbers of those who are in sympathy with the Palestinian struggle will ever be able to visit Gaza or the West Bank. Everyone can be part of a movement which boycotts Israeli clothes, food or technology. The recent  gains of the BDS movement in North American and European unions are proof that this can be made into a working class method of struggle, in exactly the same way that boycotting South Africa was once a point of principle in the workers’ movement internationally. To use the authors’ own example of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers, there is no reason it can’t call on its members to both boycott Israeli goods and to refuse to deliver any mail to SNC-Lavalin or similar  companies that build weapons for Israeli capitalism.

This will impact on the politics of the Middle East too. A core theme in the Islamist propaganda is an undifferentiated Western support for the Israeli state. Union boycotts, consumer boycotts and academic boycotts give the lie to that and strengthen the hand of socialist forces in the region who are able to point to active solidarity from the international workers’ movement.

Finally, the authors are correct when they say that it is only the working class which can transform the situation. But again this has a rather abstract quality. Palestinians in Gaza are living on 2 or three dollars a day and Mahmud Abbas is running a puppet  state with the active support of the CIA. The one message that everyone who returns from Palestine brings back is that the solidarity of the outside world is one of the things that adds to the will to resist. A mass BDS movement adds to that.

Thanks to Brad for this video of an action outside the Israeli state’s consulate in San Francisco.

48 responses to “In defence of boycott, divestment and sanctions”

  1. “There is no doubt of the authors’ unconditional support for the Palestinian people”

    Are you sure? When the slogan was “Isolate Apartheid! Sanctions Now!” (wrt South Africa), you wouldn’t have found many trumpeting their unconditional opposition to apartheid while simulataneoulsy arguing against sanctions on the grounds that it “pushes white South African workers and youth into the arms of imperialists”.

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  2. The “Militant tradition” has always been more sucessful at building sections in South Africa, Israel-Palestine and Ireland than the “USec tradition”.
    Discuss.

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  3. lets build the boycott!

    Rather than debating different left groups record on recruitment in Derry or Gaza

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  4. Jodley:

    “Are you sure”?>/i>

    Yes. And the insinuation that those who disagree with you on this or that tactical issue are somehow beyond the pale, or not really on the left or not really committed to supporting some struggle says more about you than about the objects of your indignation.

    Liam, to his credit, takes the IMT view seriously and argues against it in a fraternal manner.

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  5. Indignation? Hardly.

    Why should ridiculous positions be viewed seriously and treated fraternally? At best they are a distraction and a waste of time.

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  6. “The “Militant tradition” has always been more sucessful at building sections in South Africa, Israel-Palestine and Ireland than the “USec tradition”.
    Discuss.”

    Relative success means nothing unless we know what absolute level of success we are talking about in each case. Even twice or thrice times “vanishingly little success” remains “vanishingly little success”.

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  7. Boycott is a useful tool, my self i dont purchase armaments and with my limited budget cannot afford expensive olive oil or orange juice Would it be possible to inform what other commodities does Israel export.

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  8. The BDS campaign is certainly important and I agree with Liam’s overall analysis. However, it’s also important to not let our own governments off the hook – for instance raising the demand to recognize the election of Hamas in Gaza and to end the murderous blockade, including of aid.
    As for CUPW telling its members not to deliver to SNC Lavalin, that’s just an abstraction – like raising the call for a general strike – in the present context. It would be totally illegal and there’s not the level of struggle to sustain it. What’s more, Lavalin is a massive, diverse corporation and, in fact, provides site management for many Canada Post facilities.

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  9. “Never mind the politics, just build it” doesn’t answer the questions raised in the original article.
    Adopting such an approach in South Africa and Ireland led to the failure to build anything to the left of the ANC or Sinn Fein leaderships.
    It’s telling that many vulgar liberals simply reference the anti-Apartheid struggle as though it’s outcome was entirely unproblematic.

    This is the politics of an uncritical solidarity movement, but not an international working class organisation.
    It meant supporting the bourgeois nationalist elements in the ANC, while failing to build an effective left opposition within it.
    Those who tried to do so were regularly slandered by the Stalinist-influenced ANC leadership as “agents of imperialism”.

    But it was the right approach in South Africa and is the right approach in Ireland.
    Exactly the same considerations apply to the Israel-Palestine conflict.

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  10. “It’s telling that many vulgar liberals simply reference the anti-Apartheid struggle as though it’s outcome was entirely unproblematic.”

    Are you arguing that active opposition to sanctions (on grounds that they alienated the white working class) would have led to a less problematic outcome in South Africa?

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  11. Or, to put it another way, it’s not clear to me how “building an effective left opposition” (some specifics would be nice) is undermined by supporting BDS. Perhaps you can clarify.

    Or do you mean that an effective the left opposition cannot exist without the inclusion of Israelis who might be alientated by BDS? That the any movement of the oppressed must be tethered to the level of consciousness of the oppressor?

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  12. The article by Isa Al-Jaza’iri and Alex Grant doesn’t oppose sanctions.
    It argues for them to be based on working class politics – a union boycott, targetted specifically at Israeli military and government officials.

    But one which encourages Israeli workers to take sides against their own rulers, rather than driving them into their arms.
    Such an approach will be more effective than one which is a de-facto declaration of war on the whole Israeli population.

    A cross-class santions movement also tends to strengthen the hold of the Palestinian bourgeois nationalists, who simply want use it as leverage in a diplomatic game.
    (Just as the ANC leadership ultimately did in S.Africa)

    An effective left opposition within a nationalist movement doesn’t just mean having more militant nationalist politics, it means having explicitly socialist politics!

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  13. An effective left opposition within a nationalist movement doesn’t just mean having more militant nationalist politics, it means having explicitly socialist politics!

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    Did I suggest otherwise? Again – some specifics would be nice. In particular, how does BDS undermine such an opposition? How does opposition to BDS help build it? Can we have that discussion with reference to real communities of human beings and the choices one might make about to whom you lend support.

    In practice, trumpting support for limited union boycott of Israeli military and government officials as a better alternative to BDS is by definition opposition to BDS. I have no objection to the argument that, within BDS, one might prioritize trade union action over consumer action, or target Caterpiller and intel rather than retailers of chanukah candles. That’s a different kind of argument.

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  14. “There is no force on Earth other than the Israeli working class that can destroy Israeli imperialism.”

    That’s an extremely unfortunate statement.

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  15. It’s obviously mistaken to say that “There is no doubt of the authors’ unconditional support for the Palestinian people”. The Palestinian people are raising this demand, and the IMT is not supporting them. Therefore their support is conditional on the Palestinian raising the demands which the IMT considers appropriate: demands which relate to the bread and butter interests of Israeli workers who, it seems, the IMT considers to be the key to the revolution in Palestine.

    Perhaps the Algerian nationalists should have focussed on demands that were amenable to the French workers?

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  16. Shug: “Would it be possible to inform what other commodities does Israel export.”

    Indeed it would, however it would take a long time and you would have had to turn off your computer before I was barely started. Practically every major international company either supplies the Israeli state, produces goods from there or does R+D there.

    I’ll make a short list that hopefully the idiot boycotters can sign up to today and this stupid debate can then fall silent within cyberspace:

    Intel, microsoft, cisco, sun/oracle, nokia, motorola, vodaphone, o2, hp, the major british telecommunications company (who I can’t mention because of my employment), on and on the list goes.

    If you were to allow yourself to google (they run on technology jointly developed with the Israeli military) the make of your computer/ISP/wireless provider + Israel, you might find they are involved in some pretty unsavoury business.

    This website itself runs on computers that contain chips made in the Intel factory in the occupied terrortories. Come on Liam, put some effort into your boycott and close down this site.

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  17. prianikoff. I have argued for the same inside my union branch, although it is almost impossible to get any sort of debate around what would be effective working class action; comrades would rather not have the debate and simply pass a motion re-affiliating to the PSC.

    One of the major effects of the planned boycott inside the college lecturers union was to shut down contact with left-wing pro-palestianian academics inside Israel; these were the very people doing the most practical solidarity work with their palestinian peers. All very sad and self defeating.

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  18. Great article Liam. It is tiring to hear this economism whilst completely disregarding the colonial-settler state context. It is also childish to talk about the boycott as the person above has. Its an INSTITUTIONAL boycott, it doesn’t mean we are never going to talk to Avi Shlaim or Ilan Pappe, it means not working with universities, which prop up the occupation.
    Boycotts are strategic, it doesn’t mean we boycott everything that has had Israeli input, it means targetting arms companies, food retailers, areas which can hit the economy and allow for mass participation. And as if it is this, and not the subisidised settlement housing, racist ideology of the state etc etc, that is pushing the Israeli working class into the arms of the Zionist state.

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  19. Most people are not often in a position to impose sanctions targetted specifically at Israeli military and government officials. I’ve not had a chance for weeks.

    On the other hand you can win the argument for boycotting agricultural produce grown on stolen land in almost any union branch in Britain and it’s an easy conversation to have outside a supermarket.

    The reduction ad absurdum approach is not really a rebuttal. It’s a fairly straightforward case to make that firms should not invest in the Israeli state or that pension funds should not ride the property boom there. That’s more a matter of detail.

    Unlike Jodley and Duncan I’m willing to give the IMT comrades the benefit of the doubt on their attitude to the Palestinian struggle. They offer a more robust defence of it than their tradition ever did in similar circumstances in Ireland. However you can’t help thinking that at the back of the writers’ minds was “how do we make this case in a union meeting in Tel Aviv?”

    Thanks to Alf for this report about a protest against the theft of more Palestinian homes.

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/events/1264295157

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  20. Liam, it’s wierd that you can win the argument to boycott oranges and not intel chips, since the latter would require some real effort and the former is just tokenism.

    In reality most of the people involved in the UK with directly supplying the Israeli military are in unions- cwu, gmb, t+g, rmt. Why is it possible to pass motions in these unions which commit to absolutely nothing more than urging members to avoid marks and spencers or particular food brands?

    This isn’t solidarity -it isn’t even a boycott in any meaningful sense.

    It’s all very pointless anyway. No solution will come from a boycott or sanctions, the only two possible solutions are either some form of military conquest of Israel and it’s forcible dismantling or some sort of meaningful peace process involving both sides. At this stage sanctions seem unlikely to move Israel to peace negotiations, but even if it did, who would they negotiate with?

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  21. Sanctions is a response to Palestinians for international solidarity. Yes in some areas it may appear a token jesture in other areas more substantial in outcome.

    The struggle for Palestinian self determination requires that we respond to requests by Palestinians for support in the face of horrendous acts against them on a daily basis.

    Israeli dissenters, refusniks and those opposing their own government are not themselves calling for abandoning of the boycott weapon so why should we? In fact it would be outragious to stand by not boycott.

    The labour movement should go further and boycott the Histadrut, (Israel trade union movement), on the grounds that it is based on apartheid-Jewish Labour only. We must demand our own representatives recognise that the link with the Histadrut legitimises the racist nature of the Israeli state.

    The fight for the withdrawal from all occupied territories and lifting the seige of Gaza will be strengthened by the international campaign of solidarity. Quibling over petty points will simply give credence to the Zionists.

    Who Israelis must negotiate with should be left to the Palestinians to decide on and whether we like it or not, they must be free to select their own representatives. We must not pick and chose because we may not like them, unless you are seeking an imposed peace which will fail.

    What is tokenism is to say we dont like the situation, we dont agree with their leaders, we dont want to do anything, so we will just wait. In the meantime we ask them to elect who we would like. It has never worked out like that. An oppressed nation has the right to self determination and that means to chose their own leaders.

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  22. Martin

    In reality most of the people involved in the UK with directly supplying the Israeli military are in unions- cwu, gmb, t+g, rmt. Why is it possible to pass motions in these unions which commit to absolutely nothing more than urging members to avoid marks and spencers or particular food brands?

    I think you would need to check, but I don’t think it is true that GNB supports Boycott, disinvestment or sanction.

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  23. They may not support but we need to campaign as internationalists that they do. We also need to ensure that it is just not a paper exercise but they take concrete actions in support of Palestinians.

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  24. At this stage sanctions seem unlikely to move Israel to peace negotiations, but even if it did, who would they negotiate with?

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    The elected representatives of the Palestinian people (the PLC, with Hamas as the largest minority). This is what the Israeli peace movement call for, btw “Peace is made with enemies. Speak with Hamas.”

    Do you have a problem with that?

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  25. I don’t have a problem with the Israeli state negotiating with Hamas, I think it is Hamas who have the problem, at least according to their charter.

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  26. The BDS campaign is so important as unlike in Apartheid South Africa without US support the Israeli state would collapse. Therefore it critically requires international “sympathy” in order to exist. Hence the really vociferous objection of its state to any attempts no matter how mild to bring its legitimacy into question. The boycott maybe limited to “moral” pressure but paradoxically, that’s why its so dangerous. Without moral legitimacy Israel collapses.
    The points about the IMTs softness on the national chauvinism of ruling minorities in Israel, Ireland, South Africa are all true. They’re obviously not as bad in that regard as Workers Liberty. But that’s not saying much now really is it?

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  27. Scrub that. I don’t think it will get under Liam’s “offensiveness” wire. (TSK TSK JODLEY. TWO COMMENTS REMOVED – LIAM)

    Suffice it to say: one would not repeat the convenient slogans about the Hamas charter, if one had any genuine knowledge of Israel, Palestine, Hamas or the prospects for peace with or without justice.

    I wouldn’t normally defer to Gush Shalom, but in this case the Q&A is useful

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1204410372/

    Especially…

    “All this matter of “recognition” is nonsense, a pretext for avoiding a dialogue. We do not need “recognition” from anybody. When the United States started a dialogue with Vietnam, it did not demand to be recognized as an Anglo-Saxon, Christian and capitalist state.
    If A signs an agreement with B, it means that A recognizes B. All the rest is hogwash.
    And in the same matter: The fuss over the Hamas charter is reminiscent of the ruckus about the PLO charter, in its time. That was a quite unimportant document, which was used by our representatives for years as an excuse to refuse to talk with the PLO. Heaven and earth were moved to compel the PLO to annul it. Who remembers that today? The acts of today and tomorrow are important, the papers of yesterday are not.”

    And on the willingness of Hamas to negotiate with Israel (i.e. de facto recognize Israel, notwithstanding any charter)

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1083183.html

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  28. So many old cliches being recycled here that it’s hard to address them all.
    Alf forgets that the “Palestinian people” includes both the bourgeoisie and proletariat.
    There is no obligation to uncritically support whatever politics it comes up with.

    Algeria was ruled by *France* and the colons were *French*, so it’s not a particularly useful analogy for the situation in Israel-Palestine.

    Having confused a Capitalist recession with a boom, Bill J now abandons materialst concepts altogether and embraces moralism.
    No wonder he tails ends the anarchists!

    The whole debate is framed in terms of the bourgeois democratic revolution, as was the case in the A.A movement.
    Whatever its flaws, at least the IMT position is part of a socialist strategy.

    For centrist tail-enders this is “nit-picking”, which is why they’ve never built a lating organisation in the past 30 years!

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  29. lasting organisation

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  30. billj, OK I’m with you on the moral pressure argument. I’m applying moral pressure on Israel as we speak; oh now I’m switching my moral pressure onto the USA. I’ll keep on with these morning, we’ll have peace by lunchtime.

    This afternoon I’m going to exert moral pressure on capitalism to abolish itself, I don’t know why we never thought of it before, so much easier and more effective than uniting the class.

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  31. “For centrist tail-enders this is “nit-picking”, which is why they’ve never built a lating organisation in the past 30 years!”
    It is worth pointing out the USFI actually did have a sizeable and influential Israeli section in the 1970s and 1980s, when Militant had nothing. And while it is true that Militant built a sizeable and useful group in South Africa, they did so not by denouncing the ANC but by working within it.

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  32. Actually you won’t exert moral pressure on Israel. You oppose the BDS campaign.

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  33. Oh no. Some feel it is ok to make cheap comments from their comparatively better off positions, whilst Palestinians struggle for daily survival.

    Yes we do support all Palestinians in their right to self determination. We also recognise that any other position strengthens and not weakens the zionist oppression taking place at the hands of the IDF.

    We also can take a view on the politics of the various sections representing the Palestinians but our support for their struggle is not conditional on them supporting our particular view of the world.

    Hopefully in our acts of solidarity we can also strengthen and support the international struggle against Zionism and Imperialism.

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  34. BDS Campaign isn’t about moral pressure. Its about isolating the Zionist regime by mobilising international public opinion against it in practical action which backs up both the struggle of the Palestinians and those involved in more direct efforts from outside to break the murderous sieges of Gaza and West Bank. Ultimately it seeks to assist the democratic socialist unification of the four constituent parts of the Palestinian nation (Gaza, West Bank, Israel and the refugees).

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  35. billj, yes of course I oppose the bds campaign, but I’m no less on the side of palestinians than you are, however much you assert the opposite.

    It’s just fantasy to suggest that we can mobilise international public opinion against anything and hope to have an effect. It’s strange to hear such rubbish coming from self professed revolutionaries such as David Ellis. What is the agency of international public opinion and how does it change the world?

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  36. `It’s just fantasy to suggest that we can mobilise international public opinion against anything and hope to have an effect.’

    I think you’ll find that international support for the criminal Zionist regime is draining away by the minute since the attack on Gaza as right thinking people everywhere turn against it and `their’ government’s support for it and the BDS Campaign will help give focus to that.

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  37. martin ohr – I’m no less on the side of palestinians than you are
    Maybe just a little?
    And have you actually tried to set up a campaign to boycott Intel chips or done it yourself, or are your objections to the BDS campaign merely a cover for not wishing pressure to be put on Israel? For some reason I’m reminded of Sammy Wilson of the DUP complaining that a crisis was being created over policing and justice in Northern Ireland when he meant that he was quite happy with the lack of progress that had taken place.

    David Ellis – I think you’ll find that international support for the criminal Zionist regime is draining away by the minute since the attack on Gaza as right thinking people everywhere turn against it
    I don’t see any reason to think that martin ohr will find that out, and if you’re the judge of what right-thinking is God help us. And while support for Israel was diminished by the Gaza attack, it isn’t an uninterrupted process, or Obama would not have been able to drop the pressure on Israel to stop settlement building.

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  38. skidders, on intel chips no I haven’t, because I think boycott campaigns are a stupid waste of time for marxists. They put the emphasis on consumption rather than production. Since our class actually do the production it would make sense to start there.

    My point was- having a boycott which is a pick and mix affair isn’t really a boycott at all, it’s just making consumer choices to prefer one brand of orange over another. If Liam and co were actually serious then a boycott would including arguing for some hardships on the boycotters side.

    On the other side of this, I have indeed tried to build a campaign inside my union to stop our members handling work in support of the IDF. This always stumbles at two hurdles. 1) it actually involves doing something quite difficult rather than passing bland paper policy or shelling out a couple of hundred quid to affiliate to something. 2) I didn’t limit this to action to Israel, but I included the possibility of blacking work for other occupying/repressive regimes.

    In terms of “putting pressure” on Israel, I’m against that simply because there is no effective mechanism to do such a thing, I’m in favour of building class solidarity in Israel and Palestine, and within that arguing for a consistent workable solution that doesn’t see either state obliterated.

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  39. `I don’t see any reason to think that martin ohr will find that out, and if you’re the judge of what right-thinking is God help us.’

    One thing’s for sure (WHICH IS THAT ABUSIVE COMMENTS GET DELETED. DAVID YOU KNOW THE RULES.)

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  40. One does not put pressure on an oppressive state, one works for its dismantlement in solidarity with those that it oppresses-the Palestinians.

    Boycotts as part of the move to isolate are one of many weapons of international solidarity. Class solidarity yes but the duty of the Israeli working class and their allies is to take a revolutionary defeatist position and to oppose the illegal occupation and call for total withdrawal from all those territories. Remove the block on Gaza and oppose the discrimination against Palestinians.

    If instead you mean Palestinians must wait for the Israeli working class to act then this is an excuse for non action. Ofcourse any solution must eventually involve negotiations but not at the point of an IDF gun.

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  41. alf, I think we are complete agreement, I’m interested to know however how you hope to argue this with the Israeli working class if you boycott their unions.

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  42. The Histadrut is a racist institution. The objective interests of the Israeli working class is not met by it. Yes the subjective conditions for an alternative is difficult.

    There are elements emerging on the margins of Israeli society who oppose the policies of their government. Yet at the same time there always has been a minority since before 48 who opposed the zionist project.

    The more Israel is isolated the more that these progressive forces may find others listen to them. The key though must be the struggle for Palestinian liberation which can also adopt a programme that recognises the rights of others to coexist in a Socialist Middle East. As to whether Hamas or Fatah will develop such a policy is another matter.

    In the mean time we must distinguish between the rights of the oppressed and the violation of those rights by the oppressors.

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  43. “consistent workable solution that doesn’t see either state obliterated.”

    Huh? What is this about “either state”? Palestinians have no state, geddit? The Israeli State prevents the establishment of a viable Palestinian state.

    The Israeli State does not provide equal treatment for its Palestinian citizens, still less its Palestinians residents, still less the Palestinians in the oPT whose lives it controls through occupation, or the refugees who cannot return to their homes.

    So, if we are talking about obliterating this particular incarnation of the Israeli State – (the one that oppresses Palestinians, not to mention bedouins in the Negev, non-Jewish immigrant labour, and its mizrahi and non-orthodox/secular populations (in different ways) – surely all right-minded people would be in favour of that?

    What might replace this one horrible state, is a matter of discussion. But to talk about not obliterating *either* state, when there is only one state….beggers belief.

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  44. And it is a strange “Leninist” who doesn’t want to see the state “obliterated”. Ever heard of a “revolution” anyone?

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  45. Getting back to the main point again; I would have thought that a workers boycott of the Israeli military and government is entirely consistent with ‘revolutionary defeatism’ and the political aim of replacing the current Israeli state with a democratic socialist state. Whereas the whole trajectory of the BDS campaign is consistent with liberal pressure group policies, leading to a political compromise. We only have to look at the historical example of South Africa to see that.
    Therefore, it reinforces the bourgeois nationalists on either side of the struggle, rather than providing a basis for fighting class unity.

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  46. A boycott is a boycott. It is what we do with it that counts. We need to ensure that it is linked to a principled stand on the issue.
    We supported boycott of S.Africa and campaigned internationally for the defeat of apartheid. We built up the campaign in the labour movement. We need to do the same with BDS.

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