Dave Packer and Jane Kelly have asked me to publish this contribution to the recent discussions.

The whole of the left in Britain, from those few still in the Labour Party to far left and revolutionary groups is in crisis. For twenty-five years, since the defeat of the Miners’ strike of 1984-5 we have been mostly on the defensive and the class struggle, measured in strike actions, or TU involvement in campaigns, compared to other European countries such as France, has been at a very low level. Only the anti-war mobilisation – for a time – and the growing movement against climate change have generated significant momentum, while the anti globalisation movement, or action against debt, have been a pale reflection of that in Europe. Attempts at left unity to fill the political space vacated by a right wing Labour Government, have either failed or at best found it difficult to make an impact. Most have floundered due to typical British sectarianism and bureaucratic and undemocratic manipulations of the movement

In this context, the crisis in the SWP is significant for the whole of the left. To understand and learn the lessons of this crisis we have to analyse the situation and place it in its historical context. It is not adequate to blame this or that leadership or individual.

The divisions in the SWP which led to the formation of the Left Faction – now dissolved – has not yet led to a major split and most members of the faction remain in the group. However this process is not over. The resignation of Tony Dowling after being ordered to resign his membership of the North East Shop Stewards Network followed by the resignation of eight members of Tyneside SWP shows that the crisis continues and is leading to a haemorrhaging of members. It is both a sad reflection of the politics of the SWP, but also highlights the failures of the British far left in this period when capitalism faces the unique twin crises of the collapse of the banks, severe credit restrictions triggering a general economic down turn and the accelerating effects of climate change.

The failure of the left in Britain to come together in the face of this double crisis of capitalism and its immediate failure to offer some form of united socialist alternative in the coming General Election is alarming. This needs some explanation and solutions. The two factions in the SWP, while proclaiming the need for some kind of broad unifying left party, fail to offer a serious balance sheet of their past errors in the Socialist Alliance and Respect and consequently fail to outline any credible perspective. But first we have to ask why their internal discussions have led to such extreme conflict of split proportions. It can’t just be explained by clique politics but comes down to the nature of party democracy and functioning.

Tendencies and factions

The right of dissent in the SWP has always been severely curtailed with tendencies and factions only allowed in the three month period leading up to the conference. Tendencies hardly ever exist and instead differences seem to go immediately to the formation of a faction – but the right to organise around either is limited. This flawed democracy in itself creates explosive tensions. In the recent past Molyneux has taken a different position to the leadership, but failed to be integrated into the leadership. A genuine revolutionary democracy will always try to integrate loyal minorities. It would also promote the right of self organisation of youth, black people, LGBT, women, etc., in the organisation.

Whether the left faction was really a faction is questionable, the issues seem closer to those of a tendency suggesting this may be more about personal resentments than politics. The faction’s claims of undemocratic practices in the election of delegates to conference, which apparently included some full-timers for example, or the fact that Rees was dropped from the leadership slate at the last conference, are disingenuous, as for many years the faction leadership was part of that same regime. There is no balance sheet of this lack of internal democracy in the faction’s documents.

Why is this important? Partly because the practices of the SWP and their wrong interpretation of democratic centralism (often described as Leninism in the debates on the blogs) give these terms a very bad name indeed. As some have pointed out, you’d be very wary of such a leadership gaining power after a revolution. But more importantly in the present context the leadership (and membership) of the SWP have consistently imported these over-centralist, top-down methods into the labour movement, campaigns and recent attempts to build broad parties to the left of Labour. It is a methodology learnt inside the organisation, which they wrongly think of as combative, Leninist party building.

The need for a broad party of the working class and the oppressed.

In fact both the SWP and the Socialist Party have a lot to answer for over the past decade. Without going into the ins and outs of the evolution of the Socialist Alliance and the first attempt at building Respect (let alone Scargill’s SLP) the necessary attempts to build broad class struggle parties to the left of Labour have been stymied by undemocratic methods (this includes No2EU and its successor TUSC), sectarian responses to other organisations with legitimate rights to be part of the process and confused understandings by so called, or self styled Trotskyist organisations, of the relationship between revolutionary parties and broad parties. The SWP’s use of the term ‘united front of a special kind’ was indeed simply used to treat the Socialist Alliance and Respect in the same way they treated campaigns – to ensure they dominated and got through whatever policies they had decided on. This is not to deny some objective problems connected to their size, which meant that they numerically dominated Respect, but there was blindness to this issue as well, which was therefore not tackled.

The question of how to build a revolutionary Marxist organisation in the context of broad parties, and the importance of democratic practices both inside and outside the revolutionary current and the fundamental organic link between them are key elements in the crisis in the SWP. If there is no internal revolutionary democracy, all you can build is a top-down sect, however large, because training in undemocratic practices is inevitably taken into the movement of the class and ruins everything. This is what has happened in the recent attempts to build anything substantial. Democracy is not ‘icing on the cake’, but essential for the successful building of revolutionary or anti-capitalist parties.

The unitary character of the British labour movement

However, it is simplistic to blame the difficulties in building the SA or Respect solely on the crimes of this or that particular grouping. The SWP crisis and its organisational character needs to be placed in a broader political context, in particular the nationally specific unitary character of the British labour movement and the historic difficulty of the Marxist left to deal with it. Even the Communist Party in Britain was unable to build the kind of mass base it achieved in France, Italy or Spain. The character of the labour movement may be changing, but today it combines with the current economic crisis and the coming to then end of the refo
rmist politics of the post-war settlement. We now live in a period of counter-reform. We have seen the adoption of neo-liberalism and the abject failures of New Labour (and most of the trade unions) to fight for working class interests and the rights of the oppressed, or their failure to take the necessary measures to do anything meaningful to combat the effects of climate change. This has resulted in demoralisation and disorientation in the working class and the oppressed. There is a desperate need for new political alternatives, broad class struggle, and if possible, anti-capitalist parties in England, Wales and Scotland, built in a non-sectarian and democratic way. Only the creation of such a broad party or organisation, can overcome the relative marginalisation of ALL the current forces of the ‘Left’, who are still confronted with the strong traditions of a unitary labour movement (reinforced by a low level of combativity) which has made this task particularly difficult in this country.

The SP/Militant current once understood the problem of ‘Labourism’, but chose to politically accommodate to it, before it finally broke from deep entryism and did a political flip-flop arguing that the Labour Party was a bourgeois party, while the SWP banged its head against this British phenomenon, maintaining a long term, ultra-left sectarian and ‘rank and fileist’ attitude to the workers’ movement, for example, failing to understand the political character of the shop-stewards movement in the 1960/70s and failing to properly understand the method of the united front. This sectarianism, necessarily reinforced by a tough undemocratic regime – they always are – was not always applied consistently, for example, when the SWP built the ANL, or played a leading role in the Anti-War movement, or made the important turn to building broad parties, the Socialist Alliance/Respect. However, they have shown they could not sustain such an orientation. This is not simply due to a particular leadership but to their flawed sectarian and undemocratic tradition.

Recent history of the labour movement

The problem is, however, that the past decades – probably at least since the defeat of the great miners’ strike of 1984-5 – the labour movement has been on the defensive and the vanguard increasingly dispersed and heterogeneous compared to some other European counties. In the 1980s the growth of New Realism in the trade union movement meant that the unions refused to confront Thatcher’s anti-working class policies and the development of New Labour and the election of Blair – according to Thatcher, her ‘greatest achievement’ – has led to a halving of TU membership, bringing to an end the era of post war reformism on which traditional Labourism was based. Young people especially have been deeply affected by this process. Few are in a trade union, and few, even those radicalising over for example climate change, look to the labour movement for support or solidarity.

This is not to argue that a vanguard does not exist in Britain today, just that it does not automatically turn to trade unions for solidarity, as for example, sections of the women’s liberation movement did in the 1970s. In fact there have been a series of issues which have engaged young people in particular, from the anti-road campaigners to Reclaim the Streets, from anti-globalisation protesters to climate campaigners, many young people have become actively involved in fighting what are effectively anti-capitalist struggles, but few have seen the labour movement or the ideas of socialism as a way forward. At the same time few trade unions have gone beyond narrow sectional interests to support such campaigns. This is not to say it cannot happen, as the initial successes of the TU section of the Campaign against Climate Change shows, just that it is exceptional and unusual over the past period.

European broad parties

This history goes part of the way to explain why it has been possible to build anti-capitalist and broad left parties in other parts of Europe – the NPA in France and the Left Bloc in Portugal, The Red/Green Alliance in Denmark, even the left reformist Die Linke in Germany, while here it has been much more difficult. It can’t just be reduced to British sectarianism as important a phenomenon as it is. In fact the British left has been marked by both sectarianism AND opportunism, a situation that has its roots in the material and historical conditions outlined above – not in the peculiar psychology of the British!

Although part of the same overall trend, these left parties in Europe are not all the same. They are based on different social and political conditions, forces, organisation and platforms. Clearly a plurality of tactics is needed for different national conditions. Forces of the Fourth International have been in the forefront of addressing the need in this period to organise and build broad parties, sometimes anti-capitalist/revolutionary vanguard parties like the NPA, but also in some cases politically broader formations within which they are organised tendencies. There has been a recognition that in this conjuncture, in most countries the forces of revolutionary socialism are too small and too politically narrow to hegemonise the broad vanguard at the highest political level.

Further, in some countries the conditions for anti-capitalist vanguard parties do not exist, nor are we strong enough in most European countries to organise them, except possibly in France. Here in this country we are trying to build a potentially broad, anti-imperialist but otherwise left reformist formation – Respect – quite unlike the NPA. In some ways the Left Bloc in Portugal might be more of a model for us, and if we can’t achieve that or similar in the English context (and we certainly can’t construct an NPA in the foreseeable future), we should rather be part of an organised left tendency inside Respect (or in Germany, Die Linke) or, speculatively, participate in the formation of a new left after the general election. But this is mostly out of our hands. All these organisations require different tactics by revolutionaries.

Today in England, in the run up to a general election, now unofficially launched, probably for May 6th, we are building Respect, ‘warts and all’, because it is the only broad-based, nationally organised, working class left alternative going. We have called for the left to be united, strikingly illustrated on a recent cover of Socialist Resistance, preferably behind Respect, but if that is not possible, in alliance with other initiatives, such as the recently announced platform TUSC, coming out of the No2EU current but even narrower than before, or any initiative by the SWP, or other important local initiatives, such as those in Cambridge, Wigan, Lewisham, Tyneside, Liverpool, Barrow & Salford. If there are no credible left candidacies on offer we call for a critical vote for Labour.

However the left of the labour movement is in the process of closing ranks behind the traditional lesser evil, the Labour Party, in order to stop the Tories. This is true to form for Labourism, and has put considerable pressure on trade union leaders, including those leaders on the left such as in the RMT, other TU forces in the CPB, for example, and of course active unity behind Labour is promoted by the inside/outside Socialist Action. This right wing unity is reinforced as Brown has created some detachment from the Tories. Looking both ways, Janus-like, Brown is both implementing unacceptable cuts, as demanded by international finance and their cre
dit rating agencies, while at the same time taking some pages from the neo-Keynesian bible. He recognises the importance of fiscal stimuli, quantative easing, etc., in other words the importance of maintaining demand within the economy, both for stabilising the capitalist economy itself and for saving jobs. Sections of the ruling class, mainly manufacturing capital, know this and if he has the political courage to carry it through against the media barrage, it is Brown’s secret weapon against the Tory policy of ‘slash and burn’ to balance the books. Not surprisingly things are looking bad.

Conclusion

What we are saying is that it is simplistic and apolitical to explain typical British sectarianism and democratic weaknesses by reference to bankrupt tacticians, or odd personalities. To make a serious analysis of the failure of the left, which is more than just descriptive, it is necessary to get to grips with this historic phenomenon. The leadership of the SWP – Callinicos, Rees and German, et al – are products of the SWP methodology and regime and they also reproduce it. But the SWP (and the Socialist Party) is also a peculiar product of the British labour movement and the difficulties that Marxists have always had in relating to it.

The historically determined character of the British labour movement makes it very difficult to build more than punctual united fronts with this or that section of the worker’s movement. To support alternative candidates in elections means breaking from Labourism. Even in its decay, such a course of action is a very, very big decision for them, as history has shown us. Even the RMT, currently one of the most militant unions, is under huge pressure from the Labour bureaucracy, a wing of the CPB, and from sections of its membership, to fall in line behind New Labour in the general election.

We do not claim to have all the answers, but the task is to develop a flexible line or tactic. We need to sustain tactical flexibility with programmatic intransigence on the key class issues, which must involve some form of the united front method and democratic functioning. Only this approach can unlock this problem for revolutionary socialists. History shows that all leftist adventures, or rightist tail-ending of the Labour bureaucracy are doomed to failure.

57 responses to “Some Lessons of the Recent Events in the SWP”

  1. Plenty of food for thought there. Heres something that is spectacularly missed in this lament- the composition of the left in Britland particularly its leadership- be it so called revolutionaries right through to the social democrats- is stacked full of university lecturers/academics and public sector professionals/white collar types and students. Me and most of the workers i know are not attracted to the left organisations when we feel like fish out of water with this millieu.
    Also the rampant social imperialism and downright timidity and cowardice of the left- inspires no-one.

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  2. the crisis in the SWP is significant for the whole of the left.
    Translation: because they are a significant force on the left and you’re not.
    The divisions in the SWP which led to the formation of the Left Faction – now dissolved – has not yet led to a major split
    Translation: the crisis if there ever was one is actually over.
    the resignation of eight members of Tyneside SWP shows that the crisis continues and is leading to a haemorrhaging of members.
    Translation: some a few of the Left Platform members have left the party.
    The failure of the left in Britain to come together in the face of this double crisis of capitalism and its immediate failure to offer some form of united socialist alternative in the coming General Election
    Translation: we’d like to pretend that its us that are involved in a united socialist altenative at the election and not the SWP.
    fail to offer a serious balance sheet of their past errors in the Socialist Alliance and Respect
    Translation: they haven’t agreed with us about what went wrong.
    A genuine revolutionary democracy will always try to integrate loyal minorities. It would also promote the right of self organisation of youth, black people, LGBT, women, etc., in the organisation.
    Translation: that’s how we’d do it if we were the SWP’s size, so it has to be the right way.
    the leadership (and membership) of the SWP have consistently imported these over-centralist, top-down methods into the labour movement,
    T: They used there size to get their way sometimes, which we went along with when we thought it suited us, but now it doesn’t we’re going to present it as an overwhelming political error.
    The SWP’s use of the term ‘united front of a special kind’ was indeed simply used to treat the Socialist Alliance and Respect in the same way they treated campaigns – to ensure they dominated and got through whatever policies they had decided on.
    Except when they didn’t.
    This is not to deny some objective problems connected to their size, which meant that they numerically dominated Respect, but there was blindness to this issue as well,
    T: it gave us problems reaching our objectives that they were so much bigger, but a little blindness to an undemocratic coup in Respect seems to have sorted that out.
    failing to understand the political character of the shop-stewards movement in the 1960/70s and failing to properly understand the method of the united front.
    They’ve been wrong so Goddam long, it’s surprising they’ve ever got anything right.
    we are building Respect, ‘warts and all’, because it is the only broad-based, nationally organised, working class left alternative going.
    Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. Broad-based? Nationally organised? Working class? Left alternative? Going is a possibility.
    What we are saying is that it is simplistic and apolitical to explain typical British sectarianism and democratic weaknesses by reference to bankrupt tacticians,
    And so it would be unfair to explain Socialist Resistance just in that manner.

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  3. “Dave Packer and Jane Kelly have asked me to publish this contribution to the recent discussions.”

    Couldn’t you have politely explained that they really ought not to have bothered? I mean, how much more of this abstract voluntarism do we have to suffer?

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  4. The SWP uses bureaucratic centralism as its method and is a middle class liberal guilt ridden cult. If you see it – cross the street. Hari Krishna.

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  5. This is all very abstract, still.

    A particular question, though. On the socialist resistance site the list of local campaigns worth supporting included links. How much do you know about any of these initiatives? For example, does SR really support TUSP in Liverpool, and if so why them above any of the other initiatives that have come and gone over the years? Do you actually know anything about them?

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  6. in the words of ‘groovy’ greil marcus –

    “what is this shit?”

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  7. I thought I was reasonably familiar with FI-speak, but I’m completely thrown by the idea of a ‘punctual united front’ (penultimate paragraph, second line). Translation, anyone?

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  8. I loved fiannanahalba’s complaint about the left being middle class and talking to itself and then suddenly throwing ‘social imperialism’ into the mix. Whats this when its at home?

    As to the rest its a bit samey and dreary really. Our lot always say about your lot that you’ve got a tendency to try and hitch a ride on broader formations. Your lot say about our lot that we’re too narrow (and also a bit big). Same old, same old.

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  9. “because it is the only broad-based, nationally organised, working class left alternative going”

    funniest thing Ive read all year

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  10. splinteredsunrise Avatar
    splinteredsunrise

    I think it’s something like a conjunctural united front.

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  11. I thought this was a useful article with many good insights. Looking at the weakness and fragmentation of the left challenge in the coming election, aside from the real possibility of a win or two for Respect (and maybe Caroline Lucas for the Greens), I do think of the wasted opportunities. As an ex-member of the SWP I remember of the hopes I had when the Socialist Alliance was gaining momentum and then to look back at the last decade – with the SWP now standing under its fourth electoral umbrella in ten years – it’s no wonder people don’t vote left if the left can’t even present a consistent name for more than a couple of years. To read the article in the current Socialist Worker calling on a vote for Labour where there is no credible left challenge, it seems like we’re back in the 1990s except now it’s a Labour Party that has exceeded every bad expectation we had yet still the call comes – “vote Labour without illusions”. Without hope more like.

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  12. The new SWP slogan is Vote Labour with illusions.
    Johng social imperialism is a very revolutionary brit left trait- your mob has been well practised in it for years.

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  13. skidmarx’s stream of irony is basically an ‘ad hominen’ attack: the authors are outside the SWP and, because the SWP is successful, they should be discounted. The comrade obviously isn’t pausing to take much time to really evaluate their view: the idea that the SWP is participating in TUSC but SR is not is rather countered by the fact that the SWP and SR are both listed as sponsors of TUSC and both have comrades running as TUSC candidates. And, more to the join, despite the fact that the SP, SWP and SR are involved we really must admit that it’s not a very unitary gathering of the left.

    chjh picks up on ‘punctual united front’. It’s not a common form of words, but the basic idea is that it’s a united front that appears when its needed. Punctually, as it were.

    On TUSP: the article isn’t saying that SR supports TUSP but that a left coalition needs to be open to all the left – including other comparatively successful local socialist projects.TUSP has certainly been strong and has fallen sharply over the last couple of years. They don’t dominate the Liverpool left, in which the SP, Respect and Green Left are all important. Needless to say, SR recommends folk help build Respect on Merseyside rather than TUSP. But excluding a meaningful socialist current from activity in a left coalition weakens the whole left.

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  14. Duncan – I’m afraid I can’t resist a little more irony: is a “punctual” united front one where the wheels have started to come off?
    It isn’t an ad hominem attack as I understand the term. The authors are claiming that what is wrong with the far left is down to the subjective activity of the SWP and the SP, yet the relative success of these organisations is simply not part of the equation. If the views of the authors were balanced and coherent then they shouldn’t be discounted, but when they are claiming there is a continuing crisis in the SWP because about 0.1% of the membership has left is laughable.
    Needless to say, SR recommends folk help build Respect on Merseyside rather than TUSP.
    And they call the SWP sectarian.The idea that Respect is just as much based on working class politics as the left is a fantasy that is becoming increasingly difficult to engage with seriously. [Clearly it’s narrowly-based in one community and noticeably organised in less than 1% of the country]. And when Respect is still presented as being an appropriate umbrella group for the left in can hardly but distract from building an actual left grouping. You may think that riding two horses at once is doable, but you’re liable to end up on your arse.
    After the next election, even if no Respect candidates are elected, Salma and George will still almost certainly have got higher votes than any of the TUSC or other left candidates. Which will be used by those still in Respect to say that it is still the best vehicle for the left, will be used within Respect to adjust even more to a cross-class politics within the Muslim community, and will be ever more the obstacle to uniting the left around common class politics.It may be understanble that SR thinks that it has more influence as part of Respect and more opportunity to recruit than it would ever have outside, but that doesn’t prevent its course from being a disastrous one a left group to continue on, and its labelling of other left groups as sectarian disingenuous at best.
    Incidentally I understand it was SR’s forerunner the ISG that moved the OMOV policy in the Socialist Alliance that caused the SP to do a runner, a further way, if true, that the recent history of the left is being rewritten to present all the problems as the fault of the SWP regime (and I could go into detail on the Respect split, but I think Liam would almost prefer we discussed the football).

    I don’t think this is the only article that over-rates the subjective factor of the SWP too much in considering what’s wrong with the left:
    http://www.davidosler.com/2010/01/the_far_left_and_the_general_e.html#comment-41212

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  15. chjh – if you really knew your FI-speak you’d realise that a punctual united front is needed to deal with late capitalism…

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  16. Skidmarx:

    1) The article actually locates the problems of the SWP not in their “subjective activity” but in the fact that the labour movement has historically been a unitary one. The whole of the left in Britian has had trouble dealing with that, as the article argues.

    2) Of course, it is possible that Respect may evolve into a cross-class fan club for its two leading members, but actually, in my opinion, the people who are most likely to lead this evolution in Respect – if it ever happens – are left social democrats. That trend in Respect would be much weaker if the SWP had not abadoned ship as soon as the seas got a little bit rough.

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  17. Lindsey German Resigns! Avatar
    Lindsey German Resigns!

    averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com

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  18. It is a real shame that the final comment from Martin Smith to Lindsay German in the email correspondance comes down to confirmation details re stopping standing orders and direct debit payments.
    What about a political balance sheet being drawn up by him on why a long standing member is forced to chose her Party or the political campaigning against the war.
    Or perhaps this is an insignificant issue for the movement according to the SWP leadership?

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  19. Philip Ward –

    1) If the article argues that, it certainly doesn’t do so at all clearly. What it does do is repeat a number of traditional SR claims about the SWP, ranging from the contentious to the silly, without any acknowledgement that these claims are only agreed by those who share the authors perspective (or where some individual allegations are agreed by others on the non-SWP left, there is strong disagreement about the rest). Nowhere is there the self-consciousness to recognise that this is a very one-sided perspective.

    2) Respect has already undergone such an evolution, it is only the desire of some of the left activists within it to justify their existence and the organisation’s desire to wield a Damoclean power over the left to ensure its own survival that keep this from being more openly acknowledged. When this process continues, as the class forces involved would suggest, it doesn’t really matter if it is those calling themselves left social democrats that lead it or not. And as to your last point, I think it’s bollocks, the SWP weren’t the ones organising separate conferences or organising public meetings under the name Respect while excluding those from the majority faction, but as I said above, I expect Liam would rather I talk about how Arsenal’s victory last night revitalised the Premiership title race.

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  20. What sort of boat is a premiership?

    The details of the Respect split have been done to death and life’s too short to rehash them for 80 000th time.

    Like Alf I was astonished by the bluntness of the acknowledgement of the comrade’s resignation. A little bit of graciousness or acknowledgement of service in situations like this would have left a less bitter taste.

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  21. After 25 years service not even a goldwatch!

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  22. Oh for gods sake. I was sad with Lyndsey’s behaviour two years ago (I was also angry with how some of the best achievements of the organisation had been dragged through the mud but there you go), but now I’m just angry. After two years of this damaging nonsense it really is enough. Lyndsey was asked to speak with the CC about something that was clearly going to be a problem (disciplined members of her faction who had set up a branch of STW and resigned from the Party and her relationship to them as both a senior member of the SWP and a senior member of STW). There was clearly suspician about what was going on. Lyndsey refused to agree to meet to discuss it in this incredibly highhanded manner. The discussion becomes terser and terser. She resigns. Not really the occassion for meaningless pleasentries. Then within hours the emails are leaked to a close collaberator who sticks them up on Military Families Against the War (we have always tried to keep internal disagreements apart from the movement etc, etc haha). Suspician was clearly wholly justified. Lyndsey had no intention long term of staying in the organisation after her political positions were defeated. She wants to go out in a way contrived to damage our organisation as much as possible. What do you want flowers?

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  23. BTW its suspicion.

    Yeah we get it. The SWP are a bureaucratic group who think they can just order people about for the fun of it. Not really news true.

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  24. Why did my very good old friend Martin have to remind this L. German person to cancel her DD to the Party? He is going soft- must be Lord Actons Grandsons influence on the boy. Martin i will be having stern words with you the next time we meet for Chateau Buckfast.

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  25. billj – you do say the silliest things. Guess that’s why your group is five members and a goldfish. Not really news true.

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  26. “The details of the Respect split have been done to death and life’s too short to rehash them for 80 000th time.”

    The problem is Liam life really is too short for some 2-3 billion people living in drastic poverty, poor health and misery because of the devastating effects of capitalism.

    So I think the idea that the left needs a good long look at itself to become open, democratic, at the heart of organising working class self-activity, to listen to workers and not be bent on building each little group but be bent on buildinbg the fighting strength of the working class and mkaing international links etc. is fundamental not some petty exercise.

    There’s a world out there and th eidea that we hav en’t got time to discuss the catastrophoic failures of the left ad learn the lessons is simply not sustainable.

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  27. @ RBH
    Just as a matter of interest how big is the Canadian ISO? I tried to google it but it didn’t appear.

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  28. tamworthalternative Avatar
    tamworthalternative

    I think its called the International Socialists, not ISO if that helps you to go&ogle

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  29. When I read the founding document of Permanent Revolution I was quite surprised to find that a split from Workers Power could number in the hundreds. And there is at least one Canadian amongst them.

    Jason – the point is that re-hashing he split again isn’t going to cast any more light on who is building their own little group, who is relating to the working class and who made the catastrophic errors.

    Liam – in Portsmouth a lot of people might think destroyer, as in become death, the destroyer of world’s. Whenever John Terry (who I understand you’re now aware of the existence of ) sees someone else’s girlfriend, he thinks “frigate”.

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  30. Well perhaps if iit was a matter that can be resolved, then why not let the cde speak at the meeting and discuss after. Surely one trusts cdes and can facilitate discussions without preventing ongoing work.

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  31. So that’s the website. What are the numbers? You have six branches (it claims). We have five. You’re not really in a position to brag now are you?
    By the same token I could say that we are among the leaders of the MPT in Chile which has affiliations from dozens of unions, our comrades lead the trade union faction, and several thousand members. I don’t think there are any IST members in Chile. In fact in Latin America as a whole there aren’t more than a handful. What’s that got to do with it? Absolutely nothing.
    Take a hint?
    I doubt it.

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  32. “the point is that re-hashing he split again isn’t going to cast any more light”

    perhaps. However, lessons can and should be taken by the whole left- primarily I’d emphasise the importance of listenoing, of building campaigns in ways which increase the participation and activity of working class people.

    When mistakes have been made and even friendships and trust severed it can be very useful to have a reconciliation, to admit mistakes, to say how people felt all as part of a no blame approach.

    The i9dea that people can’t be bothered to work out ways in which to begin to assemble the forces that can overthrwo the barbaric system that blights billions of lives I think is a little self-indulgent.

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  33. Jason – what you say is all well and good. But I’d tend to say that one side of the split refused to do any listening, builds campaigns in ways that marginalise the working class, never admits mistakes and wishes to cast all the blame on others. When there are no new facts to be had relating to the split, then there isn’t likely to be some objective re-analysis that everyone can agree on.
    Moving on to consider which way is best in the future to assemble forces is not self-indulgence and I don’t understand why you would wish to describe it as such. Personally I’d be happy to continue the discussion of what went wrong at the time, as long as it isn’t at the pathetically low level that was often exhibited.

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  34. The whole point is to ‘consider which way is best in the future to aseemble forces’.

    I think though for this to actually happen it is as well as to admit ot mistakes and reflect on past experience and not to avoid discussion because it’s a ‘rehash’ or whatever… we obviously ahven’t got all the answers so we need ot keep discussing with new activists how best ot advance campaigns not assume we already have the answers

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  35. Skidmarx comments that “claiming there is a continuing crisis in the SWP because about 0.1% of the membership has left is laughable.” Sadly, the evidence that there is a intense period in the SWP cannot be reduced to this. My experience is that the SWP’s ability to mobilise, the moral of its members and the ability of its members to engage effectively is dislocated.

    I think the clearest examples of this are seen on demonstrations [starting with the mobilisation In London after Barnbrook was elected] but there’s a difference in the political tone of the SWP’s middle cadre as well. A good sign of this was today’s UAF conference. Perhaps the biggest workshop was on fighting the EDL. A woman from the Socialist Party made the point [which I think most people outside the SWP would agree with] is that when the SWP decides an anti-fascist mobilisation needs national support, local organisation sometimes have the experience that UAF marginalises them rather than mobilises to support them. The reaction to this – not from Martin Smith on the platform – from the SWP folk in the audience was a sharp intake of breath, grumbling and starting a wave of chatter between themselves to drown her out and distract her. There was not an attempt to develop a real political response or discussion. It may not mean anything, but I sat right in the middle with my hand up from the start was was not called (at least one person who was called had come into the room after I had my hand up). In a space like this, where the SWP are so hegemonic, they can afford a space for more debate. Another petty example: I was congratulating a Pathfinder guy in the lobby for his contribution in the plenary opposing state bans; we were interrupted twice by people telling him he could not sell or leaflet there (he wasn’t selling: just had a book under his arm) because he did not have a stall. Meanwhile SWP people were leafleting for Marxism (and I didn’t see an SWP stall). That way of welcoming other anti-fascists into the UAF could be warmer.

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  36. Duncan – the evidence doesn’t appear to extend much beyond it. If your claim about the EDL workshop is true, it suggests that SWP members are more committed to their politics rather than less.If the Pathfinder guy had one partially concealed book and no leaftlets, how did he get confused for a bookseller/leaflet distributor? Often when a lot of people want to contribute to a discussion there will be some left uncalled, if they knew who you were and someone else representing a small minority position had made points similar to the ones you were going to, it’s sometimes just tough. I went to a meeting on China at last years Marxism where a couple of people from the International Bolshevik Tendency and a Spartacist were allowed to speak, despite the fact that they want to drag the discussion onto attack (what weren’t actually) Cliff’s views on Korea, so I know that the SWP isn’t particuarly scared of debate, unless you want to claim that they’ve all got the heebie-jeebies since the summer.
    The Right To Work Conference seems to have been a success. Perhaps your inability to see any positives in the SWP inhibits your ability to form a balnced perspective.

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  37. Duncan is describing a pretty common occurrence where non SWP members become invisible to a meeting’s chair and an endless number of people saying more or less exactly the same thing get called. When you’ve seen it happen a couple of times you work out that it’s a political decision.

    As for allowing the IBT and Sparts to speak – that’s a good way of illustrating how anyone who disagrees is obviously not to be taken seriously.

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  38. Dave Packer has written more on ‘pary building’, irank and fileism’ and the SWP at: http://socialistresistance.org/?p=835

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  39. skidmarx, the Pathfinder guy was easily identified because he had, in the plenary that had just closed, spoken against state bans and identified himself was the Communist League candidate for Bethnal Green. I think that perhaps he had been called by mistake by a chair who had not expected a Communist to be wearing a three piece suit.

    At the start of the EDL workshop, we had around an hour for discussion. The chair said that she had noted down the 16 people who had their hands up first and would take them. As far as I can see, all those people were taken other than me and the guy from the Communist League, and then a number of other people were taken. What this suggests, and what your comment validates, is the notion that it’s better to take several SWP people rather than one or more people from another tendency? How does it avoid repetition to take the tenth SWP member rather than me?

    But the big different is this: Marxism is the SWP’s event. It’s understood that the SWP feels it has the right to manipulate it. Making the same assumption at a movement event is mistaken, and works to marginalise and exclude other tendencies. That has is not democratic, and does not help develop pluralism in UAF.

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  40. Quite a contrast to the open mike policy at Mutiny.

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  41. Of course when the boot was on the other foot, Liam had this to say:
    Congratulations on a good night’s work. Anyway most of us have had the experience on sitting in front of a SWP chair with our arm up for twenty minutes while speaker after speaker said exactly the same thing. Sauce for the goose…
    http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=1974#comment-56403

    Again without having been there, I assume that the workshop was on ways to fight the EDL and the SWP members felt that the local v national question was a diversion (chattering is a bit different from shouting down), and the chair felt that taking more contributions in the same vein wasn’t going to be useful. It can be difficult to understand that when you are a small group trying to use your interventions to score political points against the dominant group that they may not feel you’re entitled to set the terms of the debate.

    [which I think most people outside the SWP would agree with] is that when the SWP decides an anti-fascist mobilisation needs national support, local organisation sometimes have the experience that UAF marginalises them rather than mobilises to support them.
    Most Trot gorups that are envious of the SWP’s position may agree that, I don’t see any evidence that it is true of the non-aligned. It’s the case that the SP has a different perspective on anti-BNP work, such as disliking the SWP’s penchant for exposing them as Nazis (the BNP not the Socialist Party), and that sometimes comes across in this local v national paradigm, though it sometimes leads SP members to being well wide of the mark in their criticisms:
    http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=3024#comment-100739

    My question about Mr. Pathfinder was that if he was carrying any paraphenalia, why the issue. Presumably asking people to book stalls if they want to distribute stuff is a way of raising funds for UAF without letting people leech off the event, the SWP puts enough into it that it may feel entitled to a partial pass.

    To finish by answering your questions:
    What this suggests, and what your comment validates, is the notion that it’s better to take several SWP people rather than one or more people from another tendency? How does it avoid repetition to take the tenth SWP member rather than me?
    I repeat that it may advance the discussion not necessarily in the way you wished to take it.

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  42. Skidmarx:

    There are a number of problems with your arguments above.

    Firstly, the UAF conference is not supposed to be an SWP event. The SWP are not supposed to have the “right” to determine what the terms of the debate are amongst UAF members. Now, we all know that in practice they will often attempt to do just that – and not so much or at least not only by raising what they think are superior arguments, but by abusing holding a chair.

    We aren’t talking about an SWP public meeting, where that kind of argument would still be wrong but would at least be relevant. It is not relevant to an allegedly broad organisation which has never made any decision to allot special privileges to the SWP.

    Now my own view is that even at party public meetings people with their hands up should be allowed to speak. If you advertise a meeting as being open to the public and as featuring a period of discussion, then anyone who wants to should be allowed to contribute.

    The Socialist Party convened a meeting here in Dublin yesterday. There were about 110 people at it. Aside from Socialist Party people and independents, contributions were taken from the SWP, People Before Profit, Workers Solidarity Movement (anarchists), Socialist Democracy (nominally USFI but actually more like the Sparts), Labour, etc. In the order in which people put their hands up, and in the SWP’s case on about five occasions.

    Now the Socialist Party are the largest group on the far left here. Presumably you think we’d have been entitled to carve out the likes of the WSM and SD and to let the SWP in once and then talk amongst ourselves while their speaker was talking? After all, some of their contributions were about aspects of the issue which we thought were less important!

    The point I’m making is not that the Socialist Party are always and everywhere models of best practice in every regard, but that in this regard elements of the British left could do with growing up a bit. Here in Ireland there is no shortage of bickering on the left, but at least we’ve got to the stage where carving out speakers because they are members of some other left group is very unusual and where groups as a matter of course hand out leaflets or sell newspapers inside the building where some other group is holding a meeting without some lunatic trying to have them removed.

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  43. No it isn’t, but they probably think its there to fight Nazis not slag off SWP

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  44. skidmarx. The speaker from the SP was one of the last speakers, if not the last. I can’t think of any basis for thinking I would have said what she would have said: my contribution was about how we could learn from the current mobilisations in Bolton. Nor can I see any basis for assuming that anyone not in the SWP would make contributions attacking the SWP. The SP woman did not mention the SWP.

    However, the underlying assuption is that the SWP and Socialist Action, as the unelected proprietors of UAF, have the right to marginalise others. That is not pluralism, and it is not way to resolve the challenge of how to integrate the contradictions arising from our different experiences.

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  45. Skidmarx:

    That’s nonsensical.

    The two people mentioned above raised two quite reasonable strategic issues for the anti-fascist movement – whether it should call for state bans on the far right and how local and national anti-fascist campaigns should relate to each other. Whatever your views on those subjects they are clearly issues where real and honestly held disagreements exist within the anti-fascist movement.

    It is not a crime to raise views on these subjects which the SWP disagree with. You seem to think that other people aren’t entitled to express opinions contrary to those of the SWP within an allegedly broad campaign or that the SWP are justified in abusing the chair to keep them from speaking.

    I think that’s a silly and obnoxious way to approach a broad campaign. What message for instance does it send to anti-fascists in parties and groups other than the SWP about UAF? Not one that’s helpful in strengthening UAF that’s for sure.

    As I said above, this seems to be more of a problem with the left in Britain. It is possible to be a bit more polite and reasonable you know without losing your political edge. God knows the Irish left bicker enough and we have disagreements every bit as real, but in recent years we have managed to largely avoid some of the really petty crap which used to go on – unnecessarily huge mobs of paper sellers, ignoring hands in the air from political opponents, having people thrown out of buildings for handing out leaflets.

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  46. It’s obviously a little difficult for me to speculate about the motives of some of the attendees at a meeting I wasn’t at, especially when new detail is added. I might mention that with as many as 16 people to be called from the beginning, the chair didn’t recall you as one of them, and so with no particular right to be heard instead of others.
    I’d agree that if the chair and the SWP members present were stifling debate and acting anti-democratically then it looks bad and is bad. It’s just I’ve heard such hooror stories enough times to take them with a truckload of salt when I only hear an account from people with vested interest in knocking the SWP. Not to say that nobody outside the SWP can make a valid criticism of it,just that if and when the other side is heard anoticeably different picture emerges, as it did in the case of Phil BC v Weyman and Bad Bunny, or claims Neil (SP) made I think about Codnor. When the SWP comes up with what I find a reasonable explanation over and over, and their detractors are exposed as presenting a distorted account, I tend to hang fire on accepting what they do as wrong if I haven’t heard their side.

    Yes it would be nice if everyone acted more fraternally. Though perhaps a tendency to blame the SWP for everything that’s wrong with the Left doesn’t encourage them out of a bunker mentality (or denying them the right to keep their internal documents internal).

    Anyway, this discussion didn’t start over the details of anti-fascist argument, but over Duncan’s claim that the UAF gathering showed clear evidence that the SWP is in continuing crisis. Certainly were Liam to be believed that they were behaving there as they have always behaved, this could only support an argument that they’ve always been in crisis.

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  47. Now my own view is that even at party public meetings people with their hands up should be allowed to speak. If you advertise a meeting as being open to the public and as featuring a period of discussion, then anyone who wants to should be allowed to contribute.

    I have to say this is not my expereince of the Militant. recall farcial public meetings where there were only 12 people there, where three SWP members woud have their hands up for the whole discussion period without the chair noticing them.

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  48. Andy:

    You will note where I said that:

    “The point I’m making is not that the Socialist Party are always and everywhere models of best practice in every regard, but that in this regard elements of the British left could do with growing up a bit.”

    As it happens, almost all of the complaints I’ve heard about our sister organisation on that score date back some considerable time – two decades and more. Their general practice on that score is pretty good nowadays but I’m sure someone can come up with some recent example where some chair decided to ignore a known political opponent in similar style.

    The point I was making is that the British left has a tendency towards very petty attempts to censor each other, keeping each other off platforms, refusing to see people indicating a desire to speak at meetings, having people who hand out leaflets ejected from the building and all that sort of crap. The SWP were, in my experience, the most notable exponents of that sort of thing (during the Iraq war the Stop the War Coalition repeatedly refused to allow any Socialist Party councillor to appear on its platforms at meetings in their own wards!) but they were and are by no means the only ones.

    It’s a cultural thing. As I understand things used to be like that on the left in Southern Ireland. They aren’t any more. That isn’t because we have closer political agreement than the British left do. It’s because in the long run nobody benefits from us all acting like dicks.

    As I said, last night I was at a public meeting hosted by the Socialist Party. People from just about every left group in the country spoke from the floor. The SWP sold their paper beside the SP paper sellers (two each!). Similarly, I could go to pretty much any SWP public meeting, stick my hand up and be sure that they aren’t going to conveniently fail to see me.

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  49. “As it happens, almost all of the complaints I’ve heard about our sister organisation on that score date back some considerable time – two decades and more.”

    That is certainly not the case. At the recent Working Class Representation conference run by the RMT/SP the SWP were systematically carved out. They took none of their members in the morning, including their leading members, Charlie Kimber etc., refused to even allow an acknowledgement of Chris Harman’s death – who died that morning – and allowed one token SWP speaker towards the end in the afternoon as the meeting was starting to break up.
    The SWP and SP (in the UK at least) are cast from the same mould.
    Having said all that, in my experience of Manchester, the SP are nonetheless far more approachable, genuine and it is possible to actually do joint work with them.
    The SWP run all their fronts – UAF, STWC. RTW etc- like a bunch of bureaucrats who couldn’t care less about democracy, accountability and openness.

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  50. Billj:

    For about the thousandth time, the Working Class Representation was not hosted by the Socialist Party, nor was it chaired by a Socialist Party activist. You would be better off addressing your complaints to the organisation which actually hosted and chaired that meeting.

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  51. Over to Luna17 for the latest scoop…

    Tuesday, 16 February 2010
    Why we are resigning from SWP: an open letter
    The letter – which was emailed to Martin Smith, Socialist Workers Party National Secretary, around lunchtime today – is signed by 42 SWP members. A further 18 people who have resigned from the SWP in recent weeks endorse it too.

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  52. Thank goodness for that. Bill J can now pretend that this is the historic new left in the making. Gives him something to occupy himself with anyway.

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