In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,We, the people of Éire,

Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation,

And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,

Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.

Preamble to the Irish Constitution

FebFatima Rowan Williams isn’t the first mainstream religious figure who has tried to persuade the state to accommodate religious notions of legality. One of the dominant figures in twentieth century Ireland had a go at it too and there’s a strong possibility he’s a distant relative of mine. John Charles McQuaid was the Catholic Archbishop of Dublin from 1940 until he found out there isn’t a god in 1972.

John Cooney’s 1999 biography of the old bigot is a truly shocking book. Here’s his description of one day in Dublin in 1941:

In the afternoon the Lord Mayor, alderman and burgesses of Dublin Corporation filed into the library. After kneeling to kiss the Archbishop’s ring, Alderman Cormac Breathnach T.D. read out a handsomely framed address in Irish. He was followed in Latin by the City Manager P.J. Hernon, who pointed out how well qualified McQuaid was to lead the people, especially youth…

Replying in Latin, Irish and English McQuaid accepted the Corporation’s promise to build harmonious relations between the Catholic Church and the civic authorities.

Later that year the Labour Party leader William Norton grassed up a Mrs Cullen. She had written to him complaining about candle shrines in Catholic churches. The leader of Ireland’s workers sent her letter to McQuaid who would certainly have arranged for the local priest to put Mrs Cullen right.

By 1950 he was actively monitoring what was available in public libraries. One of the many branches of the Irish Taliban, the Knights of St. Columbanus, undertook the “wholesale clean-up of evil literature”. With the Archbishop’s support they set up “committees of readers” who went into the libraries looking for filth. Their big target was Dan Dare in the Eagle comic which they managed to get banned. Following that success they set up a Theatre Censorship Committee.

The lines between the state’s law and Catholic teaching were very blurred. When a mixed Protestant and Catholic couple separated and went to court for custody of their children the judge found in favour of the Catholic mother. Before their marriage they had signed an agreement in front of a bishop saying that the children would be raised as Catholics. At the time there was an article in the Irish constitution which said “The State recognises the special position of the Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church as the guardian of the Faith professed, by the great majority of the citizens.” The judge found that the statement signed in front of the bishop, certainly under huge moral pressure, was cognizbale by the High Court.SEAN T.O'KELLY AND CARDIONAL JOHN MCQUAID

Here’s one last example of gombeen sharia. Noel Browne was a health minister who wanted to introduce a limited version of a national health system to Ireland. Part of the hierarchy’s response was:

The state has no competence go give instruction in such matters (sex, chastity and marriage). We regard with the greatest apprehension the proposal to give to local medical officers the right to tell Catholic girls and women how they should behave in regard to this sphere of conduct.

Priests and bishops knew more about the subject than doctors and nurses was the skilfully hidden subtext. It’s a universal truth that there is nothing the religiously minded enjoy more than trying to control other people’s sexuality, usually in an inverse proportion to the opportunity they get to explore their own.

As Andy has pointed out at Socialist Unity there are some examples of religious law recognised in Britain such as the recognition of the Islamic Bank of Britain by the Financial Services Authority in 1994, and changes in stamp duty legislation to accommodate Islamic mortgages. The Islamic courts already give advisory judgements on other matters, but these are non-enforceable, and have similar status to any other arbitration service.”

Jewish law already operates the Beth Din courts (battei din), that can hear civil cases.

Accepting that people have the right to practise a religion and opposing any discrimination based on religion is all that is required of socialists. The clergies of all the major religions are self-selecting and self-appointed. In some communities their disapproval can cause deep shame and they nearly always err on the side of being socially conservative. If you haven’t lived in that sort of society you can only dimly understand the deference that there is to clergy. Arguing that they should be allowed to manage schools and hospitals or run a parallel legal system is a very retrograde step which can only strengthen the hand of the theological moralisers. A more coherent and consistent approach is to say that all the welfare and legal functions that should be provided by the state cannot be managed by religious bodies. For while it is true that the bourgeois state is an inherently repressive institution it still does allow room for a democratic leeway that can be influenced by political pressure and class struggle. The soi-disant interpreters of their god’s word don’t.  That’s why we should conclude that Rowan Williams was wrong.

19 responses to “Sharia begorrah – Rowan Williams and John Charles McQuaid”

  1. splinteredsunrise Avatar
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    Banning Dan Dare? Are we sure the Mekon wasn’t involved?

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  2. Can’t argue with that.

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  3. I say, I say, I say – what’s this I hear about the Vatican? A theocratic state in the midst of Europe?

    Why didn’t Bush, on the departure of Pope John Paul II say, “I hope that there will be a transition period in which free and fair elections within the Church will be held, allowing millions of Catholics around the world to worship democratically…”

    Perhaps he thought, “Gee, I never knew the Pope was Catholic!”

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  4. I am not sure this argument is relevent Liam, as Dr Williams remarks are about multi-culturalism, whereas the influence of the catholic church in the 26 counties was the dominant ideology and identity.

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  5. Not only was it the dominant culture and identity it had a massive amount of heartfelt popular support too. Millions of people took it very seriously. This allowed the Church to insist that believers, including law makers and judges, put their views as Catholics before all other considerations and Cooney’s book illustrates that they did so willingly. This resulted in a very weak secular culture for much of the 20th century. Ireland is an extreme but compelling argument for keeping any sort of religious influence out of law making.

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  6. “For while it is true that the bourgeois state is an inherently repressive institution it still does allow room for a democratic leeway that can be influenced by political pressure and class struggle.”

    That’s a very important point to be made. Yes, under the eyes of the law we are all equal and there’s an argument that in practice it doesn’t happen. But the point is, the principle exists and we can fight for it.

    The same principle isn’t there regarding religious bodies (and it worries me deeply that they may have a hand in organising welfare reform!! Welfare should be governed by the secular state)

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  7. Yes Louise/Liam

    That is all very well, except the mainstream debate is not about secularism, but multiculturalism.

    And those opposed to multiculturalism are dressing it up as secularism.

    So it does us no favours to confuse the two arguments.

    Surely the Irish constitution would have been improved by multi-culturalism – allowing atheists and non-Catholics to opt out?

    Yet you are defending the liberal theory of the state – centralised authority and atomised citizens without allowing intermediate corporations – like religious bodies, trade unions, etc.

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  8. Andy, the liberal theory of the state allows intermediate corporations – it just doesn’t want them incorporated in the state. If you do want them incorporated, I think you’re groping for a theory of the state which has been well developed under the rubric of Catholic social thought.

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  9. Was it singularly awful of the Church of the 50s to be against “evil literature”. Child pornogrpahy, incitement to religious and racial hatred, homophobia, anti-Semitism ? – its not just the Church is against these things.

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  10. T.E. – in the 20’s, 30’s and 40’s European Catholicism’s hierarchy was mute on anti-Semitism, complicit in child abuse and actively homophobic. The Blueshirts who went to fight for Franco were blessed by priests.

    The campaign against “evil literature” was a defence of the old view of the world which was being challenged by Lorca, Joyce, Steinbeck and pretty much every 20th century writer who bears re-reading.

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  11. Can anyone tell me exactly when The Eagle (comic) was banned in Ireland and how long the ban was in force?

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  12. […] state was that it left almost all its educational and health provision in the hands of the Catholic Church. In addition to the normal school system at any one time around 6000 children were in the care of […]

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  13. […] to demo…Mark P on No2EU – yes to demo…Priests and brothers… on Sharia begorrah – Rowan …Doug on No2EU – yes to demo…Mark P on No2EU – yes to demo…Doug […]

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  14. When researching family history I was really glad to find out my grandad got done by the cops for playing football on a sunday in england

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  15. “John Cooney’s 1999 biography of the old bigot is a truly shocking book.”

    It certainly is with its false allegations of child abuse. If McQuaid had made similar claims against the Chief Rabbi of Ireland or a Protestant Archbishop, can you imagine the howls of outrage from secularists?

    John Cooney is a former Religious Affiars correspondent for the Irish Times and current one for the Irish Independent. Did the latter hire him, in spite of or because of, his gross bigotry?

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  16. I think we were shocked by slightly different things Rory. What was astonishing about the book was the level of micromanagement the southern state conceded to the Catholic Church in every aspect of public policy.

    As for child abuse – I don’t recall any allegations made against McQuaid personally but it defies belief that he had risen to the top of the organisation without having a good picture of what was happening. Again the craven attitude of the southern state allowed systemic abuse to carry on for decades.

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  17. The following is from a review of Cooney’s book written by JOHN A. MURPHY, Emeritus Professor of Irish History, University College Cork (Sunday Independent. 21 Nov. 99)

    “John A Murphy hails a vivid biography and says THE SILLY BITS SHOULD BE DISREGARDED” [!!! my emphasis] ……..

    “What a pity then that … publication [of Cooney’s biography] was preceded by a tawdry controversy about the archbishop’s alleged paedophiliac proclivities. The author was badly served by this as it diverted attention from the substance of a serious biographical study. The dustjacket does not even mention the sex allegations which in the text account for only four pages or so out of more than five hundred. Cooney was unwise to let himself be mixed in these media discussions, doggedly insisting that the allegations would be substantiated when the book appeared.

    Well, a close scrutiny of the controversial pages and their accompanying references, confirms beyond doubt that there is no firm evidence the archbishop was ever involved in any paedophiliac activity. The whole thing is a bottle of smoke. The `documentation’ is nothing more than third-hand stuff, anonymous opinions, subjective impressions, hearsay, … The notion that Noel Browne’s semi-fictional essay `A Virgin Ireland’ is a primary source is just plain silly. Browne’s notorious bias makes him an unreliable witness, and his description of McQuaid as a `pederast’ (a man who indulges in sexual activity with a boy) is outrageous defamation. In short, it was an error of judgement on John Cooney’s part ever to have dragged this grotesquely sleazy stuff into an important book.”

    http://www.alliancesupport.org/news/archives/001289.html

    While John A. Murphy denounces the lies about paedophilia, it should be noted that he praises the book in general. Imagine if a Catholic anti-Semite was to write a biography of a former Chief Rabbi of Ireland that included false allegations of paedophilia. What are the chances that a historian whould praise the REMAINDER of the book? Or that the author would then become Religious Affairs correspondent of a major Irish newspaper?

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  18. I have since created a website http://www.irishsalem.com which is (mainly) about false allegations of child abuse against Catholic clergy and religious – especially several Irish Bishops AND the Christian Brothers. Two sections of the site deal with Cooney’s allegations against the late Archbishop. The first is about Archbishop McQuaid himself:
    http://www.irishsalem.com/individuals/accused/john-charles-mcquaid/index.php

    The second is entitled “John Cooney and John Charles McQuaid”
    http://www.irishsalem.com/individuals/writers-and-journalists/John-Cooney/index.php

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  19. Ah Rory ’tis yourself in all your glory. How many chapters of the Ryan Report have you got through to date? There’s a hefty chapter of your soul mates the Christian Brothers and guess what? ,,,, seems these guys were cut from the same cloth as the De La Salle Christian Brothers … abuses committed against children on an unimaginable scale … and that’s saying something considering your over-active imagination Rory. Anyway back to the Ryan Report and your mates: The abuses by the Christian Brothers against little children that are mentioned are vomit-inducing …. I don’t say that lightly Rory considering your ‘previous’ association with the De La Salle Christian Brothers and their propensity to force children to lick their own vomit from the boots of the De La Salle Christian Brothers but I’m sure you get my drift.

    .Have you also perused the Murphy Commission Report …. a report right up your street Rory as it only samples the abuse files … if the Commission had to wade through the 60,000 individual documents that Cardinal Connell wanted kept hidden we’d be waiting years for it’s publication and its findings.

    As it’s fin de siecle time now for McQuaid and Connell’s reign of absolute terror against children could you give us your observations on their empire?

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