The document which John Rees has written for the upcoming SWP conference is an attempt to come to terms both with the split in Respect and the impact of the SWP’s involvement in systematic electoral work and the movement against the imperialist wars. It is a thought provoking document in terms of some of his descriptions of his own comrades’ behaviour, his account of the history and the conclusions he draws.

In setting the context of the debate John says that “the crisis in Respect is being handled in and personalised and destructive way”. Two paragraphs later he says that the central committee (CC) is “personalising the issue”. Further on he says that Lindsey German was “attacked so forcefully” at a CC meeting that the chair of the CC apologised for not stopping the attack. Note that it was not her ideas that were attacked. It was her. From the outside this looks like absolutely standard SWP procedure for dealing with dissenting voices. It is a technique that many former members of the SWP describe either receiving or witnessing and sends a clear signal to the rest of the organisation that an individual has fallen from grace. The alternative is to allow a thorough discussion of contentious issues and allow the membership to decide for itself. For an organisation which has the unofficial motto “bend the stick” the production of additional pre-conference discussion bulletins to allow the membership a chance to gauge the issues should not have presented a great challenge but John reports that this suggestion was voted down by the CC majority. Even at the best of times a leadership controlling and limiting discussion is an unwelcome constraint on internal democracy. At a moment when an organisation is looking to draw the experiences of a rich period of recent activity it creates an impression that there are very well defined limits to how free discussion can be.

The interpretation of events in Respect is skewed and defensive. John writes “political differences in Tower Hamlets and Birmingham especially turned into acrimonious disputes over questions such as selection of candidates”. The sub committee which selected candidates in Tower Hamlets was numerically dominated by SWP members. They seemed to have a clear brief on who should get selected and why. A complication was that a new organisation had to find enough candidates to fight in every ward and many of the people who put themselves forward were almost totally unknown to the selection committee or the bulk of the membership. That was inevitable. What was avoidable was causing Bengali members to feel that they were being outmanoeuvred by socialist activists who had a much better grasp of procedure than they did. This was made worse by a perception that the serious political brain work had to be done by a small core group and that the function of the rest of Respect was to follow its orders. By trying to build and politically develop a cohesive and distinctive Respect political culture this could have been avoided. More usually, and perhaps to some extent understandably, the SWP’s way of working was simply grafted onto Respect.

Moving leftwards?

OFFU is given as an attempt to pull Respect “leftwards”. It was, and is, beyond question that Respect’s links with the unions are weak. OFFU looked like an attempt to kill them off completely. An event which had the ostensible purpose of engaging with rank and file trade union militants so completely resembled a SWP rally that it antagonised the very people in the audience it should have been pulling in. It painted a picture of an unappealing, stage managed, bureaucratically controlled front organisation. Its political impact was completely negative.

George Galloway’s letter was the catalyst which resulted in the split. John makes no mention of its contents and just asserts that George was reacting against a “left” turn. That’s not what the letter said. It was the work of a man who felt like many others that a summer election was a real possibility and was alarmed at how weak, small and disorganised Respect was. Articles saying pretty much the same thing had been carried in  Socialist Resistance in the preceding months and the MP’s letter said nothing that anyone with eyes to see could deny. To borrow a phrase the SWP’s response was “handled in and personalised and destructive way”. By Christmas this had resulted in four of the SWP members most prominently sympathetic to Respect being expelled. The obverse of this was an attempt to “strengthen the Respect office politically” by asking two SWP CC members to work in it. Having a discussion through the structures of Respect of how to politically strengthen the office is not mentioned as an option.

Missing from the document is any discussion of why Respect was set up and, more importantly, if the period in which it is possible and necessary to build a broad class struggle party to the left of labour has ended. For John “the real question before the party is how we handle this reverse”. Yet that is a question which can only be answered properly by an organisation that has reached a conclusion about what is happening to New Labour and what sort of challenge the left can offer to it. The closest that the document comes to judging this is an assertion that “there will be no opening for a left of Labour electoral project until after the next election.” Even if we accept that this is true it offers only the hope of scrabbling around after the next election to create something new after a divisive and demoralising experience. It takes time to build up an organisation, recruit members, establish structures and a profile and this is not done in the weeks or months before an election. The Left List / Alternative is proof of that and its non-SWP members are left wondering why in the space of a few months the landscape of British politics has changed so dramatically that one week Lindsey German has a real chance of getting into the London Assembly and before Christmas the organisation is put in the deep freeze with Globalise Resistance and a bunch of other forgotten front organisations.
 
Leading role

Lack of recruitment is identified as a key problem and from what John says the SWP’s engagement in Respect was seen as the reason for this. What is conceptually interesting is that Respect was seen as one united front among many. So what could have been an important element in the realignment of the left of British politics was, for a number of SWP members, another bit of campaigning work which had to be kept under their organisation’s control and which should be used as a recruitment vehicle.

A similar approach informs relations with other forces on the left. The Public Sector Not Private Profit initiative involving Labour MP John McDonnell and the PCS was problematical because it was “controlled by forces hostile to the SWP, notably McDonnell’s office.” It was ditched in favour of a Charter which “allowed the SWP to play a leading role.” Having the “leading role” is more important than building a broad labour movement coalition with currents one may disagree with. This is a wrong political method which can only be motivated by a conception that one’s own organisation has the absolute right to be politically or numerically dominant in every field of activity and is actively detrimental to building effective working class resistance. This is explicitly stated when John writes “Had we not formed the Stop the War Coalition then others would have protested against the war with less adequate, less broad an
d less effective forms of organisation. It was always thus.” If this means anything it means that only without the SWP the anti-war movement would have been inadequate, narrow and ineffective. This is the world viewed through a very distorting prism.

Putting a premium on having the SWP in prime position in every initiative on the British left had an impact on the organisation’s internal functioning. Convincing the membership that the next big thing is even more important than the last big thing requires the leadership to “in a certain sense, exaggerate”. This is the origin of the “bend the stick” maxim. So instead of offering a long term strategic orientation the SWP’s leadership offered the members a sequence of important new campaigns. In the past year or so they were kept busy by Respect, defending themselves against a spurious witch hunt in Respect, the Left List, Love Music Hate Racism, the Left Alternative, PSNPP and the Charter. It’s worth noting that a couple of days after the London election results two leading SWP members called a demonstration in the name of two SWP front organisations through the Socialist Worker website. The intent was clearly to give the members something to do instead of reflecting on the elections. Just as suddenly the fascist danger evaporated. This is not a serious political perspective. It’s the work of a leadership trying to control an organisation by keeping the members busy. On occasion “bend the stick” can be a synonym for “mislead”.

Conclusions

Naturally as a longstanding leader of the SWP that organisation’s welfare is a major concern for John and this leads him to frame the perspective for the future in terms of its growth. Doing this requires “polemical and dynamic methods of leadership” and redoubling efforts to recruit. The model of the Scottish Socialist Party is dismissed out of hand with no reference to the SWP’s part in that split and no vision is offered of how to relate to radicalising working class militants who want nothing to do with New Labour but are not yet open to revolutionary politics. A document by one of the people best qualified to offer a clear balance sheet of the Respect experience says nothing about it and suggests that the only perspective for the coming years is to build revolutionary propaganda groups.

John’s document closes with a rebuttal of some points made by Neil Davidson in a document which raises the issue of internal democracy in the SWP. As an architect of the SWP’s structures John rejects Neil’s suggestions for a larger democratic space and less “top down” culture. While is essential point that the objective situation has been a severe limiting factor on the far left is correct that is not a persuasive argument for refusing to build a democratic functioning into the organisation’s daily life. Those of us who witnessed the direct transferral of the same methodology into Respect saw that it suffocated the organisation and the unspoken but widely understood rule was that ultimately real decision making authority inside Respect lay with the SWP. This was never going to be attractive to other forces looking for a political alternative to Labourism and that acknowledgement is something that has been absent from SWP accounts of what happened in Respect.

The value of John’s document is that it begins to explore the Respect experience and begins a discussion about what revolutionary currents need to do in the coming years. What it does not do is offer a convincing explanation of how the SWP managed to antagonise and burn its bridges with the forces which had collaborated to produce the first modestly successful working class electoral alternative. Instead of rejecting the SWP’s bullying and intimidatory internal culture and offering an organisation in which dissent is acceptable and valued it proposes a return to “polemical and dynamic leadership”. And finally instead of explaining how a relatively small propaganda group can help construct an alternative working class party it offers a return to building a slightly bigger propaganda group.

The document which John Rees has written for the upcoming SWP is an attempt to come to terms both with the split in Respect and the impact of the SWP’s involvement in systematic electoral work and the movement against the imperialist wars. It is a thought provoking document in terms of some of his descriptions of his own comrades’ behaviour, his account of the history and the conclusions he draws.

In setting the context of the debate John says that “the crisis in Respect is being handled in and personalised and destructive way”. Two paragraphs later he says that the central committee (CC) is “personalising the issue”. Further on he says that Lindsey German was “attacked so forcefully” at a CC meeting that the chair of the CC apologised for not stopping the attack. Note that it was not her ideas that were attacked. It was her. From the outside this looks like absolutely standard SWP procedure for dealing with dissenting voices. It is a technique that many former members of the SWP describe either receiving or witnessing and sends a clear signal to the rest of the organisation that an individual has fallen from grace. The alternative is to allow a thorough discussion of contentious issues and allow the membership to decide for itself. For an organisation which has the unofficial motto “bend the stick” the production of additional pre-conference discussion bulletins to allow the membership a chance to gauge the issues should not have presented a great challenge but John reports that this suggestion was voted down by the CC majority. Even at the best of times a leadership controlling and limiting discussion is an unwelcome constraint on internal democracy. At a moment when an organisation is looking to draw the experiences of a rich period of recent activity it creates an impression that there are very well defined limits to how free discussion can be.

The interpretation of events in Respect is skewed and defensive. John writes “political differences in Tower Hamlets and Birmingham especially turned into acrimonious disputes over questions such as selection of candidates”. The sub committee which selected candidates in Tower Hamlets was numerically dominated by SWP members. They seemed to have a clear brief on who should get selected and why. A complication was that a new organisation had to find enough candidates to fight in every ward and many of the people who put themselves forward were almost totally unknown to the selection committee or the bulk of the membership. That was inevitable. What was avoidable was causing Bengali members to feel that they were being outmanoeuvred by socialist activists who had a much better grasp of procedure than they did. This was made worse by a perception that the serious political brain work had to be done by a small core group and that the function of the rest of Respect was to follow its orders. By trying to build and politically develop a cohesive and distinctive Respect political culture this could have been avoided. More usually, and perhaps to some extent understandably, the SWP’s way of working was simply grafted onto Respect.

Moving leftwards?

OFFU is given as an attempt to pull Respect “leftwards”. It was, and is, beyond question that Respect’s links with the unions are weak. OFFU looked like an attempt to kill them off completely. An event which had the ostensible purpose of engaging with rank and file trade union militants so completely resembled a SWP rally that it antagonised the very people in
the audience it should have been pulling in. It painted a picture of an unappealing, stage managed, bureaucratically controlled front organisation. Its political impact was completely negative.

George Galloway’s letter was the catalyst which resulted in the split. John makes no mention of its contents and just asserts that George was reacting against a “left” turn. That’s not what the letter said. It was the work of a man who felt like many others that a summer election was a real possibility and was alarmed at how weak, small and disorganised Respect was. Articles saying pretty much the same thing had been carried in  Socialist Resistance in the preceding months and the MP’s letter said nothing that anyone with eyes to see could deny. To borrow a phrase the SWP’s response was “handled in and personalised and destructive way”. By Christmas this had resulted in four of the SWP members most prominently sympathetic to Respect being expelled. The obverse of this was an attempt to “strengthen the Respect office politically” by asking two SWP CC members to work in it. Having a discussion through the structures of Respect of how to politically strengthen the office is not mentioned as an option.

Missing from the document is any discussion of why Respect was set up and, more importantly, if the period in which it is possible and necessary to build a broad class struggle party to the left of labour has ended. For John “the real question before the party is how we handle this reverse”. Yet that is a question which can only be answered properly by an organisation that has reached a conclusion about what is happening to New Labour and what sort of challenge the left can offer to it. The closest that the document comes to judging this is an assertion that “there will be no opening for a left of Labour electoral project until after the next election.” Even if we accept that this is true it offers only the hope of scrabbling around after the next election to create something new after a divisive and demoralising experience. It takes time to build up an organisation, recruit members, establish structures and a profile and this is not done in the weeks or months before an election. The Left List / Alternative is proof of that and its non-SWP members are left wondering why in the space of a few months the landscape of British politics has changed so dramatically that one week Lindsey German has a real chance of getting into the London Assembly and before Christmas the organisation is put in the deep freeze with Globalise Resistance and a bunch of other forgotten front organisations.
 
Leading role

Lack of recruitment is identified as a key problem and from what John says the SWP’s engagement in Respect was seen as the reason for this. What is conceptually interesting is that Respect was seen as one united front among many. So what could have been an important element in the realignment of the left of British politics was, for a number of SWP members, another bit of campaigning work which had to be kept under their organisation’s control and which should be used as a recruitment vehicle.

A similar approach informs relations with other forces on the left. The Public Sector Not Private Profit initiative involving Labour MP John McDonnell and the PCS was problematical because it was “controlled by forces hostile to the SWP, notably McDonnell’s office.” It was ditched in favour of a Charter which “allowed the SWP to play a leading role.” Having the “leading role” is more important than building a broad labour movement coalition with currents one may disagree with. This is a wrong political method which can only be motivated by a conception that one’s own organisation has the absolute right to be politically or numerically dominant in every field of activity and is actively detrimental to building effective working class resistance. This is explicitly stated when John writes “Had we not formed the Stop the War Coalition then others would have protested against the war with less adequate, less broad and less effective forms of organisation. It was always thus.” If this means anything it means that only without the SWP the anti-war movement would have been inadequate, narrow and ineffective. This is the world viewed through a very distorting prism.

Putting a premium on having the SWP in prime position in every initiative on the British left had an impact on the organisation’s internal functioning. Convincing the membership that the next big thing is even more important than the last big thing requires the leadership to “in a certain sense, exaggerate”. This is the origin of the “bend the stick” maxim. So instead of offering a long term strategic orientation the SWP’s leadership offered the members a sequence of important new campaigns. In the past year or so they were kept busy by Respect, defending themselves against a spurious witch hunt in Respect, the Left List, Love Music Hate Racism, the Left Alternative, PSNPP and the Charter. It’s worth noting that a couple of days after the London election results two leading SWP members called a demonstration in the name of two SWP front organisations through the Socialist Worker website. The intent was clearly to give the members something to do instead of reflecting on the elections. Just as suddenly the fascist danger evaporated. This is not a serious political perspective. It’s the work of a leadership trying to control an organisation by keeping the members busy. On occasion “bend the stick” can be a synonym for “mislead”.

Conclusions

Naturally as a longstanding leader of the SWP that organisation’s welfare is a major concern for John and this leads him to frame the perspective for the future in terms of its growth. Doing this requires “polemical and dynamic methods of leadership” and redoubling efforts to recruit. The model of the Scottish Socialist Party is dismissed out of hand with no reference to the SWP’s part in that split and no vision is offered of how to relate to radicalising working class militants who want nothing to do with New Labour but are not yet open to revolutionary politics. A document by one of the people best qualified to offer a clear balance sheet of the Respect experience says nothing about it and suggests that the only perspective for the coming years is to build revolutionary propaganda groups.

John’s document closes with a rebuttal of some points made by Neil Davidson in a document which raises the issue of internal democracy in the SWP. As an architect of the SWP’s structures John rejects Neil’s suggestions for a larger democratic space and less “top down” culture. While is essential point that the objective situation has been a severe limiting factor on the far left is correct that is not a persuasive argument for refusing to build a democratic functioning into the organisation’s daily life. Those of us who witnessed the direct transferral of the same methodology into Respect saw that it suffocated the organisation and the unspoken but widely understood rule was that ultimately real decision making authority inside Respect lay with the SWP. This was never going to be attractive to other forces looking for a political alternative to Labourism and that acknowledgement is something that has been absent from SWP accounts of what happened in Respect.

The value of John’s document is that it begins to explore the Respect experience and begins a discussion about what revolutionary currents need to do in the coming years. What it does not do is offer a convincing explanation of how the SWP mana
ged to antagonise and burn its bridges with the forces which had collaborated to produce the first modestly successful working class electoral alternative. Instead of rejecting the SWP’s bullying and intimidatory internal culture and offering an organisation in which dissent is acceptable and valued it proposes a return to “polemical and dynamic leadership”. And finally instead of explaining how a relatively small propaganda group can help construct an alternative working class party it offers a return to building a slightly bigger propaganda group.

 

78 responses to “The way we were”

  1. I guess you weren’t kidding that you’d get yelled at if you got too close to a computer. Looks like maybe somebody dragged you off by the scruff mid-sentence.

    Or perhaps it was the SWP secret service using “absolutely standard procedure for dealing with dissenting voices…”

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  2. ‘It is a thought provoking document in terms of some of his descriptions of his own comrades’ behaviour, his account of the history and the conclusions he draws.’

    It is in the same genre as the very last part of an episode of The Apprentice, when that weeks hapless soon-to-be-sacked candidate looks helplessly around for something, anything that will save their neck.

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  3. And you’re not going to please your comrades by describing the SWP as “upcoming” rather than on its last legs.

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  4. The technology let me down. This is the full version and normal service resumes on Friday.

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  5. any internal documents from Respect going to be put up here?

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    “And you’re not going to please your comrades by describing the SWP as “upcoming” rather than on its last legs.”

    He meant “upcoming SWP conference”. But carry on.

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    Lindsey German has confirmed the way that the SWP works inside its electoral operations.

    From her pre-conference document:

    “[many of the non-SWP members and some of the SWP members on the Left Alternative NC] were also not happy with the insistence of the SWP CC that there should be no Left Alternative placards on the upcoming anti-war demonstration in Manchester.”

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  8. I think you’re far to generous to Rees’ document Liam. I was struck by how apolitical and tedious it was. Basically a long moan about how the apparatus had done him over.
    I wonder what he’ll do in January after he’s been kicked out? I wouldn’t have thought his options were great.

    Stuart wrote a commentary on it here

    http://www.permanentrevolution.net/entry/2482

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  9. Liam you asset that
    “So what could have been an important element in the realignment of the left of British politics was, for a number of SWP members, another bit of campaigning work which had to be kept under their organisation’s control and which should be used as a recruitment vehicle.”

    Now I know this characterisation is wideley touted on the left and is used by some as the main reason for the split in Respect, but from my experience it is just nonsense. Not that the SWP is shy about the fact it wants to build a mass revolutionary party because it believes without one a socialist revolution it not possible. Nor that it seeks through its activity to recruit members. Yet the main reason for the SWP iniating or participating in any campaign or political project is that this forwards the interest of the working class.

    This is as true about urging all its members to join a trade union and become a steward, through to Stop the War, UAF, Defend Council Housing and in being central (with George Galloway and Salma Yaqoob) to launching Respect.

    In fact both John Ree’s and Lindsay German’s article lament the failure of Respect from the start to draw in the CPB and sections of the trade union bureacracy which would have strenghtened the project of building a left of Labour political party but weakened the influence of the SWP.

    John’s article was not an attempt to make the case for building as a broad left of Labour party, he has written elsewhere on that subject (as well as the SWP criticism of the SSP model).

    Many SWP members put a lot of time and effort into building Respect and were bitterly disappointed about the split. Whatever mistakes the SWP or individuals made the vast majority of members saw the split as being about the political direction of Respect and that George and his allies were quite prepared to split the organisation because of these differences.

    Subsequent events have for SWP members confirmed our analysis not undermined it.

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  10. Presumably Digger, Galloway’s recent forthright condemnation of Israel’s action in the Gaza and the throwing of Respect into the movement against it has confirmed that both Galloway and Respect are on a rightward path to capitulation to imperialism and the adoption of New Labour’s brand of social democracy?

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  11. Not to mention crass electoralism?

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    I’m sure Galloway’s letter to the Guardian discussing the need for electoral intervention to the left of Labour and promoting the RMT’s upcoming conference will also be ignored when people talk about his “rightward drift”.

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  13. The Digger said:
    “Yet the main reason for the SWP iniating or participating in any campaign or political project is that this forwards the interest of the working class.

    “This is as true about urging all its members to join a trade union and become a steward, through to Stop the War, UAF, Defend Council Housing and in being central (with George Galloway and Salma Yaqoob) to launching Respect.

    “In fact both John Ree’s and Lindsay German’s article lament the failure of Respect from the start to draw in the CPB and sections of the trade union bureacracy which would have strenghtened the project of building a left of Labour political party but weakened the influence of the SWP.”

    I think the whole point of Liam’s argument is that, in practice, the SWP does not put the interests of the working class first – at least not all the time – and especially not in relation to how it operated in Respect (and LA – see Lyndsey German’s remarks about her reasons for standing agaist Galloway in the GLA elections). It not a refutation of Liam’s argument just to assert that the SWP puts working class interest first: you have to explain how that is manifest in its practice.

    I thought the SWP never wanted to build a political party to the left of Labour (apart from the SWP), so what is all this stuff about “[strengthening] the project of building a left of labour political party”?

    Interestingly, you suggest that had such a political party been built, including the CPB and sections of the TU bureaucracy, this would have weakened the SWP’s “influence”. Here is a classic indication of SWP-think. Bring in forces which may have [limited] mass support and the “influence” of the SWP goes down! No, what you mean to say is that the CONTROL of the SWP goes down, or are you seriously arguing that if your audience expands that reduces your influence???!!!!

    It’s some time since I read Rees’s and LG’s documents, but I would be interested to know if they make the same “Freudian slip”.

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  14. You can’t debate properly if you put up straw arguments. No one in the SWP has ever challenged George Galloway’s anti-imperialist record, this is his greatest strength.

    Respect was and is a registered political party.

    George Galloway, and by implication Respect, has since the split supported New Labour candidates in two Scottish by-elections and the Ken Livingstone campaign for Mayor. This despite the fact that in the by-elections the SSP, who Liam and the ISG hold up as a model, and Solidarity had candidates. This does represent a shift that would not have taken place pre split.

    Whatever criticisms you want to make of OFFU Respect now has no trade union orientation (unless you count Jerry Hick’s maverick campaign).

    Control or influence, whatever term you wish to use, the fact is that the SWP numerical strength gave it too much of both. The SWP would have welcomed the participation of broader forces in order to secure more influence for Respect. This does not fit the argument that the SWP is only interested in participating in organisations it can control.

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  15. External bulletin is the more than one letter to the Guardian? The one in the online edition only promotes the Livingstone conference on the 24 January, freudian slip?

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  16. Digger: “Respect was and is a registered political party.”

    You are using the requirements of the Electoral Commission for Respect to register as such in order to stand candidates, to avoid stating the obvious: the SWP treated Respect as a “United Front of a Special Kind”, not as a political party. Again, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, not in the recipe (Engels). The difference in definition – party vs. UFSK – strongly affected the SWP’s approach to Respect.

    “The SWP would have welcomed the participation of broader forces in order to secure more influence for Respect.”

    Except that you argued above, that having broader forces would have diminished the SWP’s influence and I think the SWP probably believed that. Why? Because of how they behaved, which was to exercise such a grip on the functioning of Respect that they pissed off large numbers of independent socialists and quite possibly some organisations as well. Again, what actually happened is the key.

    On Scotland: Respect doesn’t organise there and has no reason to take tactical decisions about by-elections where it is not involved. Now, there has been a claim in a newspaper that George Galloway may STAND in the Speaker’s Glasgow seat over the Damian Green affair. That would clearly require endorsement or not from Respect.

    There is no “implication” that GG’s positions are the same as those of Respect. We are not all required to follow the same line and there is no reason that Respect needs to take a position as the party it is now on every political event.

    This is something that may be new to us in Leninist groups, but it has a rationale. We are in the process of building, creating structures and a leadership for the long term and that process requires that we not divide or split on every small or even quite major political difference that arises. We have to learn to live with political differences and – yes – make compromises if not to do so would jeopardise the party. This is about making political judgments, rather than hasty calls to “go nuclear”.

    It also requires that we acknowledge that GG is in a uniquely prominent position (more so, since the departure of the SWP from Respect). We have to live with that and he does too. He is required to make public pronouncements, because of being the sole opponent in parliament of practically every domestic and foreign policy of the government.

    Some of the stances he takes other socialists will not agree with. It would be completely stupid to pick a political fight with George Galloway on all these issues. As far as I can tell, he never attributes his position to Respect. Some members of the public may be confused about that, which is a problem for Respect, but this is different from willfully propagating such a confusion for the sake of political point-scoring. This is not something SWP members did when they though they had an interest in building Respect and maintaining their alliance with Galloway.

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  17. Galloway backed a Solidarity candidate for a recent council by-election in East Ayrshire in his column in the Scottish Daily Record – Scotland’s biggest mass circulation paper.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment/columnists/lifestyle-columnists/george-galloway/2008/12/08/milkman-turns-my-stomach-86908-20954485/

    The candidate did very well! (undoubtedly helped by Galloway promoting his cause.)

    Digger ignores this because it doesn’t suit his line that Galloway is moving to the right and on his way back to New Labour. The facts are against this. Galloway has some maverick views. Well what’s new?

    PS what does Digger think is illustrated by the confirmation that the SWP’s erstwhile ally in Scotland, Tommy Sheridan, will be joining Celebrity Big Brother?

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  18. Digger is apparently an unreconstructed Rees supporter. More fool him.

    It is to be hoped that the Rees wing gets well and truly smashed at the SWP conference. While I am probably more sympathetic to JR’s overall emphasis, the problem is that I have seen how the man works at close quarters. If the SWP CC had reigned him in before, and were more sensitive earlier then to the criticisms about his leadership style and the OFFU cheque that they are now, the RESPECT split would not have happened. With more astute management from the SWP the political tensions could have been handled, and compromises made to ease them.

    Unfortunately, Rees’s sectarianism, control freakery and egotism, prevented that from happening. He split RESPECT because he could not control it just as he is prepared to split the SWP if he can’t get his way. Hopefully, his purchase among conference delegates will be so marginal to minimise the chances of that happening.

    The more positive news is that the CC majority position is one which seeks to work with a variety of organisations to the left of labour, including RESPECT.

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  19. I listened to most of George Galloway’s first programme of the new year on Talksport last night. It was dominated by discussion of Israel’s actions in Gaza (with the upping of rail fares, including the defeat of the Manchester Congestion Charge, a topical secondary theme).

    While he has an idiosyncratic style and some rose-tinted glasses about stalinist influences (nothing new there), the SWP are stark raving bonkers if they seriously believe that this is a guy on a rightward evolution back to New Labour that they should sever all ties and links with!

    Their reaction to his letter in August 2007 will go down as one of the catastrophic over-reactions of all time by a British left organisation.

    No response about the SWP’s views on Tommy Sheridan’s appearance on Celebrity Big Brother from Digger et al yet?

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  20. “There is no “implication” that GG’s positions are the same as those of Respect. We are not all required to follow the same line and there is no reason that Respect needs to take a position as the party it is now on every political event. ”

    So Respect(tertium quid) now has the same accountability for elected officials as the Labour Party.None. And so in reality the party stands for nothing as it can come up with the most fine-looking policies, but there is no requirement for Galloway to follow them. When you say ” George Galloway may STAND in the Speaker’s Glasgow seat over the Damian Green affair. That would clearly require endorsement or not from Respect”, I assume all that means Respect would have to come out with a statement when and if Galloway presents it with a fait accompli.
    This lack of democratic accountabilty of course mirrors that in stealing the Respect name from the majority of the organisation.

    “the SWP are stark raving bonkers if they seriously believe that this is a guy on a rightward evolution back to New Labour that they should sever all ties and links with!”

    An SWP member told me a while back that Galloway had never been that left-wing, he’d not been a member of the Campaign Group for example, and she thought his views on abortion stank. And perhaps the couple of SWP supporters I’ve seen recently say that Galloway is a principled anti-imperialist are slightly too generous, perhaps principled anti-Western imperialist would be more accurate. When it is Galloway who has said he’ll never talk about the SWP again, who told a policeman on his radio show that he wouldn’t have been allowed on if he’d been in the SWP, I don’t believe this narrative that Galloway was making a few mild criticisms of John Rees’ competence and all that happened after was the fault of that nasty SWP central committee is ever going to convince anyone apart from the few diehards in Respect(stark raving bonkers).

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  21. There is little doubt that both factions in this split elected for a scorched earth policy of leaving nothing behind of Respect once the secret decision had been made to end the project. Rather than hoping for the victory of either of these factions it is to be hoped that a third grouping will emerge independent of the beureaucratic apparatus which rejects sectism and opportunism of all stripes and develops an understanding of scientific socialism, transitional politics and how to work in, forge and take advantage of united fronts in an exemplary way. Only this can save something worthwhile out of or for the SWP.

    I’m afraid that a simple victory for the CC majority will not result in any lessons being learned despite talk of working with others. That was always there and talk is cheap. We already see the old ways when they leave Respect off lists of having participated in organising current mobilisations. No, business as usual will not do and Rees was no exception when it came to control freakery, sectarianism and egotism he merely stood more exposed from hopelessly trying to take it into the wider movement.

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  22. Tommy Sheridan going on Celebrity Big Brother is a political mistake, as it was for George Galloway. I actually think Tommy will come out of it better than George whose personal behaviour did him no political favours. But I could be wrong.

    In fact one of the amusing things about the Galloway letter was that he appeared oblivious to his own role in restricting the growth in the membership of Respect. A friend at the Respect office told me that the number one reason given by Respect members for not renewing their membership was not SWP control freakery but George’s appearance and conduct on Big Brother.

    John Rees publicly defended George Galloway (whilst making some minor criticisms) and the SWP resisted attempts by Ger, Salma and others to publicly censure George. In our view this would have lead to George walking out on Respect. In hindsight some think this may have been a mistake.

    Ironically some of those who strongly called for George to be more accountable now argue for him to be less accountable, but eh that’s politics.

    You see there is another narrative about the split in Respect that does not have the SWP as the Green Eyed Monster.

    That is that flushed with the electoral success in East London and Birmingham a section of the Respect leadership had come to a different conception of how to build Respect and sought to reduce the role of the SWP. They saw the SWP as not having sufficient social weight and viewed it as parasitical on Respect. When the SWP chose to fight its corner through the democratic structures they came to a conclusion they could not win and then organised a breakaway conference/rally to cement a split.

    Now I don’t expect many on this site to share this narrative and they are free to continue think it was all about SWP control freakey and John Rees’s ego (by far not the biggest in Respect). But important as I think individuals are in history I prefer attempts at a more political explanation.

    As anyone could have predicted both sides ended up weaker and the animosity such events generate can linger long after politics have moved on. The fact that such a setback has generated considerable debate inside the SWP is a good thing and I believe will strengthen the party in the coming period.

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  23. Digger nicely demonstrates the danger of replacing rational thought and facts with narrative. You get a load of self-serving, fibbing clap-trap.

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  24. And David you demonstrate why vitriol and abuse will never be an effective way of conducting polical debate.

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  25. `They saw the SWP as not having sufficient social weight and viewed it as parasitical on Respect. When the SWP chose to fight its corner through the democratic structures they came to a conclusion they could not win and then organised a breakaway conference/rally to cement a split.’

    And that’s an effective way of conducting political debate? Make stuff up? Political debates need, first and foremost, to be honest but you are clinging to the threadbare witch-hunt narrative.

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  26. What is made up! If I had the inclination I could take you to the quotes by Ger Francis about the lack of SWP’s social weight and referring to the SWP as parasites and leaching. The name calling for me, though unpleasant from a former comrade, less important than the view it portrayed of how some in Respect Renewal saw the SWP.

    As for thw witch hunt atomosphere around the split I attended at least two meetings in Birmingham where the SWP were attacked viciously not to mention George and his Russian Dolls.

    The fact that Respect Renewal decided to call a rival conference/rally did cement the split.

    Like I said I don’t expect you to share this view and I am not sure of the virtue of going over such old ground, but it important to record that there are different perspectives on what lay behinfd the split in Respect that don’t locate it in SWP control freakery or individual ego’s.

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  27. Does David Ellis seriously suggest that GG going on BB didn’t damage Respect? I also had the experience of members declining to renew their membership after that episode.

    I’m very inclined to think the SWP should have joined in the chorus of criticism, which would probably have simplified life for all concerned as Respect would have imploded in early 2006.

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  28. Obviously the destruction of Respect is still the most vital task of the hour for `swp member’, skidmarx and the digger. And no, GG’s appearance on BB didn’t damage Respect or his own reputation which, judging from the popularity of his radio show and his ability to lead a large contingent from today’s trafalgar square rally to the Israeli Embassy, remains very much intact.

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  29. `I’m very inclined to think the SWP should have joined in the chorus of criticism, which would probably have simplified life for all concerned as Respect would have imploded in early 2006.’

    Yes, that would have saved the SWP CC a job.

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  30. It is ridiculous to suggest, as Digger does, that drawing attention to the SWP’s lack of real roots in the British working class is an insult. It is simply a fact. And not one necessarily to be embarrassed about.

    It is also ridiculous to claim that there was a ‘witch-hunt’ in Birmingham. The SWP were critcised at a couple of members and supporters meetings because of its behaviour nationally. But not one Birmingham SWP member was, in my memory, singled out and personally attacked. The fall out in Birmingham was much less than in East London. We did not spend our time going around to members and supporters attacking the SWP because we simply did not need to. In fact, we tried to talk as little as possible about what was going on nationally because we wanted to insulate people from it as much as possible. Division is demoralising. Anyone who went through the split in Stop the War in the city knows full well the split in RESPECT was pretty mild by comparison.

    The real issue here is not whether people say hurtful things in the course of a faction fight. They do. And there is absolutely no virtue in going over it unless of course your intention is to stoke the fires of hostility and division. Make no mistake, this is exactly what will happen if John Rees and co win in the SWP. It will be the politics of Digger and Skidmarx writ large, not so crass but certainly with all the delusion, infallibility and sectarian hostility dressed up in whatever self-righteous Lukacsian gloss Rees can muster.

    Whatever the faults of the CC majority, significant ones in my view, they are still more likely to help the SWP leave the sour aftertaste of the split behind it. That would be good for the left in general, for RESPECT, and most of all, for the SWP.

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  31. ‘GG’s appearance on BB didn’t damage Respect or his own reputation’

    no of course not dear..

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  32. swp member: wishing doesn’t make it so.

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  33. David Ellis: I quite agree.
    It’s just that BB definitley did damage both GG and Respect, and I think anyone who was trying to build it at that time who is honest would recognise that, regardless of where they stood in the split.

    GG had responded well to the current issue, that’s true, and that (plus the passage of time) helps make up for the damage, but damage there definitely was.

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  34. sorry that’s ‘GG has’, not ‘had’

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  35. `GG had responded well to the current issue, that’s true, and that (plus the passage of time) helps make up for the damage, but damage there definitely was.’

    So what, something was tried, you say it didn’t work I disagree. At the time it didn’t look like a success but in the long run I think it was. Nevermind, carry on with your one man Operation Wreckspect if it makes you feel better. You sure know how to pick a good time to try and undermine one of the more prominent opponents of the murderous assault on Gaza but I guess you know what you are doing or trying to achieve.

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  36. I haven’t ‘picked a time’. Liam chose to post a contribution from Rees, largely about the Respect split. Any attempt to criticise Galloway in the context of this discussion is then misrepresented by you as an attempt to ‘undermine’ Galloway at a critical time. Go talk to Liam about his posts!

    Oh and it was prinkipo exile that first mentioned Big Brother.

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  37. `Oh and it was prinkipo exile that first mentioned Big Brother.’

    Yes, but it is you who has picked up on it as some kind of touchstone issue for your own sectarian reasons. You might as well justify your efforts to destroy Respect on the basis that so and so had a big nose for all its relevance.

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  38. Gaza is getting a kicking and where is Scotland’s most known socialist representative in the bubble of big brother!

    David – your wrong on this one, Galloway going into big brother did us all a lot of damage. He was an naive idiot for doing so. The fact that he is doing a good job of helping popularise the plight of the Palestinians at this terrible time should not blind us to his past stupidities.

    Shrieden must have seen Galloway’s embarrassing antics, does he really think that the show will let him off where it tied Galloway (and Carole remember her!) up and spat them out looking like fools?

    We will keep ending up being lead by useful numpties like Galloway, Shierdien and Rees unless we start to realise that shortcuts are are ultimately self defeting. Respect, or whatever radical left party one supports. needs to be built as a grass roots organisation from which true leaders, growned in real life will emerge.

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  39. Well Joseph we will have to disagree as I don’t think Galloway is a `numptie’ even though I don’t agree with a deal of his politics. Fascinating how a `numptie’ can be `doing a good job’ though.

    Maybe Sheridan’s attempt to repeat the experiment will backfire and leave him even less well known than when he went in (probably) but as far as I am concerned Galloway tried something different for the right reasons. Sheridan, who knows …?

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  40. The only conclusion you can draw from David Ellis’s delusion that Big Brother did not damage George or Respect is that he wasn’t active in Respect at the time. George went from the hero of the Senate hearings, when even many critics on the right had to recognize the brilliance of him performance, to the zero of celebrity TV that made even his strongest supporters cringe.

    Also such a wacky viewpoint would not explain the attempt by Alan Thornett, Ken Loach and Salma Yaqoob to censure George at the time.

    As for Ger I have no delusions about the how strong the roots of the SWP are inside the working class although I might have a different estimate of them from him. For example I would not base any assessment just on parliamentary or council elections or roots in a geographic area. I have polled as many if not more votes in UNISON elections as Respect Councillor’s have achieved in Council elections.

    The political point I was making was that the electoral success in East London and Birmingham led some to conclude that they could dispense with the SWP, if needed, because they represented the authentic and popular Respect, whilst the SWP represented very little.

    Now Ger can deny this if he wishes but in my view it is an important part in explaining the political roots of the split in Respect than the allegation of SWP control freakery made by Liam.

    After all it wasn’t a different SWP that played such an important role in establishing Respect in the first place.

    I too think it is time to move past such debates particularly as the receThe only conclusion you can draw from David Ellis’s delusion that Big Brother did not damage George or Respect is that he wasn’t active in Respect at the time.

    Also such a wacky viewpoint would not explain the attempt by Alan Thornett, Ken Loach and Salma Yaqoob to censure George at the time.

    As for Ger I have no delusions about the how strong the roots of the SWP are inside the working class although I might have a different estimate of them from him. For example I would not base any assessment just on parliamentary or council eections. I have polled as many if not more votes in UNISON elections as Respect Councillors have achieved in Council elections.

    The political point I was making was that the electoral success in East London and Birmingham led some to conclude that they could dispense with the SWP, if needed, because they represented the authentic and popular Respect. and the SWP represented very little.

    Now Ger can deny this if he wishes but in my view it is an important part in explaining the political roots of the split in Respect than the allegation of SWP control freakery made by Liam.

    After all it wasn’t a different SWP that played such an important role in establishing Respect in the first place.

    I too think it is time to move past such debates particularly as the recessession and continued international political instability offer new opportunities and responsibilities for the left to advance working class interests.

    However I am prepared to defend the SWP when I feel it is unfairly characterized

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  41. “We will keep ending up being lead by useful numpties like Galloway, Shierdien and Rees unless we start to realise that shortcuts are are ultimately self defeting. Respect, or whatever radical left party one supports. needs to be built as a grass roots organisation from which true leaders, growned in real life will emerge.”

    Really Joe – where do you think these ‘numpties’ came from – the political ether? Galloway, Sheridan and Rees are all products of ‘real life’ – real life campaigning where they have nearly always been on the right side of the great political issues of the day.

    They haven’t just been invented to make your life difficult. There is no guarantee that you will ever get a perfect ‘true leader’ because all of us have our own flaws and idiosyncrasies – and our own histories and individual view of politics. To believe otherwise is to delude yourself.

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  42. `Now Ger can deny this if he wishes but in my view it is an important part in explaining the political roots of the split in Respect than the allegation of SWP control freakery made by Liam.’

    Your `view’ being the key word here. No facts, just a self-serving `view’ part of the witch-hunt narrative designed to justify a wrecking operation and a scorched earth policy which continues with your baseless propaganda assault on Galloway as a `zero’ the purpose of which at this time one can only guess at. Try politics SWP Member.

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  43. David my views are based on discussions I had with Respect members in Brum at the time of the split.

    I did not call George Galloway a zero, only that he became a zero in the TV celebrity stakes because of his conduct in BB. I believe he is a fantastic opponent of western imperialism and my political differences with him are on other issues,

    Whereas the are no facts tnhat support your view that BB did George or Respect no harn, nor do do I believe they can be based on coversations with Respect members.

    PS sorry for glitches in previous points and well said Clive.

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  44. “all of us have our own flaws and idiosyncrasies – and our own histories and individual view of politics.”

    Fair point.

    Also I’m sure that left to my own devices any of us posting on this blog could make as bigger fools out of ourselves as Galloway has done in the past.

    I am also sure that I most of us (certainly myself) could never match his rhetorical skill at communicating to a large audience of working class people.

    He’s a maverick and has always been one. Sometimes he is a numptie, such as when he went on big brother. Sometimes he’s a geniuses, such as in the senate.

    And that’s why we need not just ‘good leaders’ but a grass roots party of activists who they are connected to. Galloway, Sheridan and Rees may have all come from real life experience of active working class life but they ain’t living it right now.

    Seeing Sheridan on big brother made my skin crawl – and has really woken up in me the belief that we have got to start thinking differently about the top heavy ways we all construct our political organisations.

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  45. ‘Try politics SWP Member.’

    Well Digger is an SWP member, or maybe you made a mistake.
    But if you’re convinced me and Digger are the same person pretending to be two ppl, we’re not.

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  46. I’m with Joe. The system that generated Rees, Sheridan and Galloway, is not the one we need. Top down, hierarchical organisations “lead” by the great, remove the ability of the members to decide what to do and how to do it.
    Think about the SWP documents. They all agree that the CC hardly ever gets it wrong, except on stuff like….the Poll Tax and the Miners Strike!!!. Not really a advert for sagacity is it?
    Think about Sheridan – who announced he would name names after the Poll Tax riot. Galloway with his terrible position on abortion and indeed on that same riot. Rees, someone incapable of understanding that socialism means the emancipation of the working class by their own actions, not by the wisdom of some genius.
    And so on. These people don’t come out of the ether, they come out of a socialist movement that has inherited far too much from Stalinism.
    Now is a great opportunity to break from all that – and them.

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  47. Having calmed down a little from the furry I felt at hearing about Sheridan going on big brother when Gazza is in flames I’d just like to note that while I appreciate bill’s agreeing with me I think he is overly critical.

    What we need is not to break with Galloway, (or Sherieden or Rees) but to increase their accountability and their replacablity.

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  48. Well while Sheridan has retired to the telly. And Rees’ days are numbered. Galloway will never be accountable inside Respect. That was one of the conditions upon which it was founded. He can vote which ever way he wants on anything he disagrees with. He’s got his own private staff to do his bidding. He’s exactly an example of how not to run an organisation which wants to change the world. Or even a socialist one for that matter!

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  49. “Obviously the destruction of Respect is still the most vital task of the hour for `swp member’, skidmarx and the digger.”

    Either this statement is descriptive, in which case David Ellis must have telepathic mind-misreading abilities, or it is prescriptive, in which case I’ll do my best, but I do have other things to do; I can’t speak for the other two (nearly as well as you seem able).

    “It will be the politics of Digger and Skidmarx writ large, not so crass but certainly with all the delusion, infallibility and sectarian hostility ”

    And your infallibilty…

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  50. And indefagitability too of course…

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  51. These bunfights are all good fun I’m sure but the present events in Gaza makes this all pale into insignificance.
    On Saturday’s demo I saw very little of a respect renewal presence . 2 Young people leafletting and Keven Ovenden wandering about. OK it was a big demo and I may have missed the RR hordes but if not I would have expected more of a presence at a demo with the middle east with lots of angry young muslims.Should this have not been a natural audience for RR?
    If RR can’t mobilise for that they have problems.
    Don’t mean to be antagonistic.That’s just how it struck me.

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  52. “Think about Sheridan – who announced he would name names after the Poll Tax riot. Galloway with his terrible position on abortion and indeed on that same riot. Rees, someone incapable of understanding that socialism means the emancipation of the working class by their own actions, not by the wisdom of some genius.
    And so on. These people don’t come out of the ether, they come out of a socialist movement that has inherited far too much from Stalinism.”

    You manage to be very specific about Sheridan and Galloway and very vague about Rees. Saying everyone but me is a Stalinist is the sort of projection that can easily be thrown back in your face, and you surely must be able to think of something more intelligent to say. What you say about the (stolen) SWP documents certainly doesn’t make the grade.[I’m trying to say politely that you’re talking such bollocks that it cannot even be engaged with].

    Rob – I’d be interested what the paid sales figures of their paper are, information I’m sure that will be provided without delay as they claim to be as open as an empty head, not like that nasty secretive SWP. But yes I am only interested as I think it will confirm my view that they are in terminal decline.

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  53. Well that told me eh?
    I was just amused by the SWP CCs proud record, Harman in particular points out how good their record is, yet admits on the largest industrial dispute in the last 40 years, they got it wrong and on the largest social movement in the last 40 years they did too.
    Not such a good record is it?
    So what they were stolen? I do find it amusing that the SWP object to having political debates in public. Surely its an opportunity to demonstrate vibrant internal culture and level of debate?
    Or maybe not.
    I wrote a long crit here – more bollocks I’m afraid!

    http://www.permanentrevolution.net/entry/2488

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  54. Report on Birmingham STW meeting

    Around 800 tuned up to the STW public meeting in Birmingham tonight. The meeting took place in the Council Chamber, an overflow room and on the front steps of the Council House. It was addressed by a number of speakers including councilors from RESPECT, Labour, Lib Dems and Tories and represents a significant breakthrough for the cause of Palestinian solidarity in the city.

    The initiative and driving force behind the meeting came from Salma Yaqoob and the intention is to create cross party pressure to support a call for a boycott of Israeli goods in advance of the full council meeting next Tuesday.

    In terms of progressing this strategic aim the meeting was a huge success. A meeting of cross party councilors follows tomorrow night to discuss, among other issues, how best to intervene at Tuesday’s meeting.

    The meeting and demo that preceded it was overwhelmingly Muslim. The anger around the Palestinian issue in the city and nationally has killed stone dead the argument from the likes of John Rees that Muslim radicalism has receded back into the folds of the mainstream parties and political conservatism.

    However, the fact that the protest was so Muslim highlights a weakness. For Palestinian solidarity to progress in this country it needs to have the all encompassing feel of the anti-apartheid movement. The absence of trade union banners illustrates the gap the needs to be bridged.

    That weakness should be placed within the context of overwhelming success. Tonight, Palestinian solidarity in the city has taken a big step forward.

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  55. Bill J – the mistakes the SWP admit to:

    The miners strike putting our main emphasis on flying pickets rather than relating to miners support groups that.emphasised food collections in order to sustain mining communities in a long dispute. This was corrected during the strike.

    The poll tax we emphasised industrial action by local government workers to impose non collection rather than non payment . Again adjusted not long into the campaign.

    As the main slogan that Workers Power raised during both was General Strike Now I don’t think our mistakes were too grave by comparison.

    It’s not often these days that I can agree with Ger but he is right to draw attention to the failure to mobilise significant support from trade unionists for tonights protests in Brum. Obviously many workplaces only returned today and union branches are often slow to react.

    The challenge is to do better over the next week.

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  56. “The anger around the Palestinian issue in the city and nationally has killed stone dead the argument from the likes of John Rees that Muslim radicalism has receded back into the folds of the mainstream parties and political conservatism.
    However, the fact that the protest was so Muslim highlights a weakness…”

    Firstly, congrats on a meeting that sounds incredible and important.

    However, I think you’re misrepresenting the argument here. It is rather that the with the anti-war movement having receded without there having been a significant break from Labour, at least not much beyond the Muslim base of Respect, there was a process of retreat. That process was characterized by the growing acceptance of purely electoralist methods – or the methods of celebrity a la GG & Big Brother – which tended to be conservative on reaching out to the broader working class, ie. they accepted things as they were and saw pressure to push outwards as a threat to the already existing base . Over a period of time the logic of this process would lead back towards Labour or other major parties – either you move forward or backward. Rees made precisely this argument after the election of Galloway, that Respect had established a beach-head and must use it to move inland or be pushed backwards.
    But these processes are never a one-way street and given a big explosion of struggle, accumulated habits (including of the revolutionary left) can be blown away – that is, after all, what made StWC and Respect possible in the first place. Yet, the weakness that Rees and others referred to – the lack of a base beyond the Muslim community is expressing itself here, as you point out. This present radicalization and mobilization could represent another opportunity to break that isolation.

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  57. But you’re not strictly correct. The mistakes you admit to (never mind the ones you don’t admit to) are for the miners strike;

    Denouncing the miners support committees
    Denouncing the campaign not to pay as akin to refusing to pay your bus fare – I think was Cliff’s description

    That leaves aside the political mistake which you allude to arround the general strike. Strangely enough, you called for a general strike when Heseltine announced his pit closure programme in the early 1990s, but not when there was a possibility of winning a general strike in the middle of the miners strike.
    The point being in this context however, not necessarily to relive the fights of the past but to demonstrate that the infallible CC is far from infallible. And in fact faced with two of the most important mass movements of the past forty years made terrible errors.
    Why did it take so long to correct these, months in both instances? Because of the bureaucratic hierarchical regime which is the SWP – amongst other things. But if you won’t learn from history then you are doomed to repeat it. And so on and so on and so on.

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  58. Sorry Redbedhead. But the Rees narrative I described was real and accurate. Here is how one prominent SWP blogger understood it in relation to MAB in a contribution on the issue at Andy’s site.

    “there was a move away from the politics of mass mobilisation, and perhaps a concerted effort to become a more radical version of the MCB….this seems to me to be the difference between the MAB of yesteryear and the MAB of today. It is perhaps part of a broader trend that Chris Harman pointed to in IS where after 7/7 there was an understandable turn inwards, but one which tended to be away from the politics of mass mobilisation and therefore carried with it dangers.”

    It is one thing to say the anti-war movement ebbs and flows. Or to point to political tensions inside MAB. It is quite another to conclude the above. This analysis was a misreading at the time, and demonstrably wrong now. In Birmingham alone, where there is not a particularly large Arab population, MAB organized 18 coaches to go to Saturday’s demo. One of their largest ever mobilizations. More generally, the mobilisations and response to the Gaza crisis within the Muslim community dispel the ‘turn inwards’ argument.

    Of course the Rees line was more shaped by a faction fight than any objective reading of the contours of politics within the Muslim community. It was part and parcel of an attempt to discredit the relationships that George/Salma/Yvoone and other prominent RESPECT Muslim activists had built with the broader community. It was an analysis that was sectarian in motivation and one which had a damaging impact on STW work, among other things. Of course, rather than reassess the accuracy of this analysis inside the SWP, I suspect it will be quietly forgotten, as if it ever existed.

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  59. My intention in raising these points is two-fold. One, in the interests of trying to get an accurate political temperature. STW is entering into a new phase, an upturn in its mobilising capacity. We are more likely to get our strategy right the better we understand the terrain we now stand on.

    And two, to throw some cold water on Rees’s supposed united front expertise. The mess he has made of RESPECT should be damning evidence enough. But his more recent sectarian behaviour inside STW has also created havoc. For example, this is exactly the time when the STW Muslim network should be coming into its own. Except it’s an unfunny sectarian joke, set up by Rees and Neinham simply to try and enable them to try get some purchase with Muslim activists. It is not a genuine attempt to build STW across the Muslim community. It is simply incredible that this sectarian front has never contacted Salma or the other RESPECT councilors in Birmingham, a city with one of the largest Muslim populations outside London, either to involve them or ask advice.

    I hope with Rees’s sectarian influence on the wane inside the SWP, his influence inside STW will also decline. For us in Birmingham one sign of this decline was the new spirit of cooperation and comradeship between SWP and RESPECT activists as evidenced at last night’s meeting. A good thing all round.

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  60. Actually I just think its foolish to continue to see this mobilization through the prism of a faction fight. For anyone. So lets build on the spirit of co-operation.

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  61. We do need to build on a spriit of co-operation, johng. But that must mean curtailing the sectarianism of Rees inside StW.

    Leaving people off press releases and invite lists to events is not the way to go. Nor is refusing to accept help when it is volunteered from those who have done a lot for StW over the years.

    The scandalous behaviour by John Rees that Alex Callinicos identifies has not been confined to within the SWP. If the majority of your leadership – and by all accounts the majority of your members – are angry with that, please don’t be surprised if others of us who have been subjected to that behaviour for several years are equally angry and concerned that it is stopped in the interests of the unity of the movement.

    Co-operation is a two way street. I take it in good faith that you want co-operation. But Rees has obstructed it and, I’m afraid to say, Socialist Worker has been less than inclusive in the way it has reported on the upsurge of the movement. Various people who have led from the beginning have been entirely absent from Socialist Worker’s coverage.

    So let’s have co-operation and do the things necessary to make it meaningful.

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  62. Regarding Palestinian solidarity, I don’t think its a good thing to include Tories or Liberals. We know that these people do not and will not support a boycott. In as much as they participate now it is only under the pressure of events. At the first opportunity, as with the LIberals after the big 2 million demo they will do the dirty on us.
    At Manchester’s demo on Saturday we were addressed by the Liberal MP John Leech who did not even support the demands of the demo and was “too busy” to go on the march itself. I think it was a mistake to allow him to speak, yes we need to build a mass movement, but we also need to think about the legacy of that movement. These fly by night friends are no friends at all.
    Cross partyism is not the basis for sustained Palestinian solidarity work. Its regrettable that Respect and for that matter the SWP don’t see that.

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  63. “Denouncing the campaign not to pay as akin to refusing to pay your bus fare – I think was Cliff’s description”
    The description is not the same as denouncing the campaign. The SWP at the time didn’t denounce non-payment, it just thought it was going to be insufficient to defeat it. As it turned out it was largely spontaneous non-payment that defeated it, along with the demonstration/riot in Trafalgar Square, rather than the non-payment campaign led by Militant through the anti-poll-tax unions.(Yes they were perhaps righter than the SWP on the issue. But I still think it was the unworkability rather than the campaign that defeated it).

    “So what [if] they were stolen? I do find it amusing that the SWP object to having political debates in public. Surely its an opportunity to demonstrate vibrant internal culture and level of debate?

    The SWP doesn’t seem to have got upset enough to stop its documents being leaked, so like most others who have defended their general publication without permission you are sparring with a straw man of your own devise. If you don’t understand that it is a decision for the SWP and not its enemies whether to publish its internal documents, you are pursuing the same descent into political banditry that characterises Respect(tertium quid).

    Liam- often when I get onto your site I get a message that Internet Explorer has to close that doesn’t occur elsewhere.

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  64. skidmarx – I have no idea. All I can suggest is that you check for an update.

    By way of contrast to the success in Birmingham last night’s STW meeting that I attended couldn’t have been more different. There were 20 people in the room. At the end of the meeting the SWP organiser asked his members to remain behind to discuss conference arrangements. Only three people had to leave the building. When I arrived and asked the receptionist where the Stop the War meeting was he replied “oh you mean the SWP meeting”.

    When I commented on the political narrowness of the meeting and suggested that we needed to quickly organise a large local meeting with a broad platform someone with enough years experience of socialist politics to know better said that we don’t need boring meetings but stunts, letter writing and graffitti. Mercifully a comrade with a clearer view said that it is possible to do all these things.

    All this in an area in which we could once organise anti-war meetings on a par with the one Ger describes. Something has gone horribly wrong.

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  65. Was Kevin Ovenden the experienced comrade, as he said on a different website “Many different tactics may have their place right now – from launching a give a pound for Gaza campaign (something the Athens TUC organised extremely well five years ago) through to militant street demonstrations. It would be a demobilising mistake to reduce these possibilities to one or two artificially and habitually determined modes: marching from A to B, and putting people in the usual venue to listen to speakers. Both those things have their place. But as part of a wider and more effective strategy.”

    Seriously Liam and Ger, are we going to use this issue to take pot shots at each other or build the widest possible unity in order to maximise solidarity with the Palestinians.

    The best thing about the Brum meeting was there was a unity of purpose which included Respect members, SWP members and others working together. Yes debate the best tactics but save the point scoring for another time.

    Salma’s initiative in assembling a broad platform for the meeting was excellent, as was the way SWP members organised the march from the Bullring protest to the meeting, as it picked up support en route. All power to the imagination, leave the sectariana to another day.

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  66. It should be read as a lament and not a pot shot.

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  67. Liam- often when I get onto your site I get a message that Internet Explorer has to close that doesn’t occur elsewhere.

    That is my experience of Liam’s site as well. Unique to this blog.

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  68. I refuse to accept that criticising the workings of the STW Muslim Network is sectarian. It is a good idea, badly executed, precisely because of sectarianism.

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  69. ‘It should be read as a lament and not a pot shot.’

    Fair enough but I can’t see any pattern of big protests corresponding to either SWP or Respect renewal being particularly strong.

    Preston has SWP but no RR: big protest.
    Birmingham both (but RR more roots): big protest.
    Manchester both: big protest.
    East London has both: No reason why there can’t be a big meeting, protest, whatever.

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  70. Digger

    I wasn’t at the meeting Liam refers to – the invitation list didn’t extend that far. But as you can tell from the quote you posted from me in another thread, I would have been in favour a variety of actions, as indeed are being organised in Tower Hamlets.

    A big in Tower Hamlets is that StW has been allowed to become far too narrow. A lot of the blame for that lies with Rees’s interventions. In particular, it is simply inconceivable that you can have something approaching a real Stop the War group in a place like Tower Hamlets without an representation at all from any of the Muslim organisations in the borough.

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  71. `I refuse to accept that criticising the workings of the STW Muslim Network is sectarian. It is a good idea, badly executed, precisely because of sectarianism.’

    The problem is Ger that this is not seen as a problem by the SWP but as a virtue. They seriously don’t even realise there is a problem. The leadership tells them to take over an STW branch or set up an alternative support group and like a bunch of brainless zombies they just go and do it. In fact, they are so conditioned to this method that they don’t have to wait for orders any more but will set up seperate groups as a matter of course and then wait for the pat on the head from the CC. This is why there are SWP only STW branches and support groups for strikes consisting solely of SWP members and why there will be pro-Gaza campaigns in which the local SWP branch is eventually identical with the ever diminishing local Defend Gaza Campaing as they systematically exclude opponents. This is not a problem that is new to Rees and co. It is the SWP way. It is the way of the sect. The way of the substitutionists, of the arrogant, of the fearful. STW is fucked because of these people but believe me they do not, will not and cannot see a problem. They cannot be allowed to screw over the support for Gaza. Let’s see if any non-apparatus people can raise a struggle at the forthcoming conference.

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  72. Of course if you think (and I use that word reluctantly) that ” It is the SWP way” then the chance of “any non-apparatus people” agreeing with a word you say is less than your chance of winning the lottery (whether or not you buy a ticket).
    Why you so down on brainless zombies?[Insert obvious joke here]

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  73. It may well be the case that on this occasion a non-apparatus group has no chance of emerging but it doesn’t hurt to thorw down a marker and when the current faction fight is over and which ever side wins demonstrates that nothing has been learned and the decline simply continues the who knows?

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  74. I find it difficult to take David Ellis seriously.As others have said previously the main priority is to build the widest possible solidarity for the people of Gaza and forget about the sniping at each other for a bit.

    Mr Ellis might find this forthcoming SW appeal event interesting.

    China Miéville introduces George A. Romero’s
    classic zombie film “Night of the Living Dead”
    Saturday 31 January, 8pm at the Prince Charles
    Cinema, 7 Leicester Place (just off Leicester Square),
    London, WC2.
    Tickets: £9.50 / £6.50 concessions. For booking and
    more information: http://www.swappeal.org.uk / 020 7819
    1190.

    Since the release, critics and film historians have seen Night of the Living Dead as a subversive film that critiques 1960s American society, international Cold War politics, and domestic racism.

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  75. Mr Ellis? Nice one.

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  76. Courtesy costs nothing 🙂

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